QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Terms like franchise QB and elite get overused by the media and the fans. Neither has any definable meaning. Some think anyone that's a starter is a franchise QB. Some think top 15 is elite. Others thinkit's top 5.

The terms don't really matter. All that matters is can the team win with whoever the QB is, can he stay healthy and will the team be able to keep him. Ifyou want to say Brock is elite than fine. If you think he's good but not great I'm fine with that too.

Agreed about the terms. I disagree philosophically with the 2nd part, at least on some level.

Originally posted by random49er:

"I plan on being with Brock the whole time he's here." -- Kyle

Jimmy's like "I've seen this kinda stuff before."

Except Jimmy wasn't that good

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Who? Are you talking about RG3? Cuz he was before Cousins.

Alex Smith

I did forget about Alex but also hard to act like he was at the level of either Daniels or Cousins. He was coming off his best season with KC but that was a loaded roster. He was pretty much back to his game manager mode at that point.

And even if you want to treat Alex like a legit QB it took KC finding Mahomes to move Alex. Do you want this front office to get into the QB carousel mode? You can get lucky and find a stud to feel much better about long term...or you could find yourself losing your job and another HC making that find.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by random49er:

"I plan on being with Brock the whole time he's here." -- Kyle

Jimmy's like "I've seen this kinda stuff before."

Except Jimmy wasn't that good

Or as accurate.

Originally posted by genus49:
I did forget about Alex but also hard to act like he was at the level of either Daniels or Cousins. He was coming off his best season with KC but that was a loaded roster. He was pretty much back to his game manager mode at that point.

And even if you want to treat Alex like a legit QB it took KC finding Mahomes to move Alex. Do you want this front office to get into the QB carousel mode? You can get lucky and find a stud to feel much better about long term...or you could find yourself losing your job and another HC making that find.

I didn't argue he was on the level of Cousins or Daniels. I said they got worse at the position in fact. But Alex Smith was a decent starter, and losing Cousins really didn't mean anything to the teams who replaced him. That's the entirety of the point I'm making. Moving on from Cousins in my opinion can be argued as a smart move. Signing guys like* Tua and Dak to monster deals is not, on the other side.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
I did forget about Alex but also hard to act like he was at the level of either Daniels or Cousins. He was coming off his best season with KC but that was a loaded roster. He was pretty much back to his game manager mode at that point.

And even if you want to treat Alex like a legit QB it took KC finding Mahomes to move Alex. Do you want this front office to get into the QB carousel mode? You can get lucky and find a stud to feel much better about long term...or you could find yourself losing your job and another HC making that find.

I didn't argue he was on the level of Cousins or Daniels. I said they got worse at the position in fact. But Alex Smith was a decent starter, and losing Cousins really didn't mean anything to the teams who replaced him. That's the entirety of the point I'm making. Moving on from Cousins in my opinion can be argued as a smart move. Signing Tua and Dak to monster deals is not, on the other side.

And once again I'm saying to you, who has nothin on the line with the move, it's a smart move.

To coaches who rely on better QB play to keep their jobs it may not be.

Enough with ridiculous ideas about Purdy - trading him for TJ Watt?

Watt would be great but who plays QB for SF?

Originally posted by genus49:
And once again I'm saying to you, who has nothin on the line with the move, it's a smart move.

To coaches who rely on better QB play to keep their jobs it may not be.

Let's not go in circles. I will repeat that you're missing the broader point of the argument, which is what the players are actually worth and what is actually best for a team. If you want to make the argument that teams should make poor contractual decisions for incremental gains in job security for coaches, that's your prerogative. I'd argue that's exactly what you don't want to see from your team.

I'm addressing the argument that basically boils down to 'this is just how the QB market is' among other similarly weak arguments.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The public comments for me just are meaningless. I think it would be at least useful to compare comments they're making now with comments made in the past, specifically Jed's for example. There are notable differences in what Jed is saying now in comparison to what he said after 23.

That said, I believe they want to sign him on their terms of course.

Dude's really pulling quotes from post 2023 to show how they feel now?

Those quotes were from this year. Lynch and Shanahan after the season. Jed at the owners meetings.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Terms like franchise QB and elite get overused by the media and the fans. Neither has any definable meaning. Some think anyone that's a starter is a franchise QB. Some think top 15 is elite. Others thinkit's top 5.

The terms don't really matter.

They really don't. Yet here we are, anyways, trying to equate them to dollar amounts.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by random49er:

"I plan on being with Brock the whole time he's here." -- Kyle

Jimmy's like "I've seen this kinda stuff before."

Except Jimmy wasn't that good

From a fan perspective, 2026 can really be the year for him to convince onlookers of what he's really worth.

The people that are with him every day obvious has a heads up on that.

Until there's some actual additional ink-to-paper, all we're really doing here is speculating until then.

As Smokey's suggesting, his worth is going to be what we're willing to pay.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Let's not go in circles. I will repeat that you're missing the broader point of the argument, which is what the players are actually worth and what is actually best for a team. If you want to make the argument that teams should make poor contractual decisions for incremental gains in job security for coaches, that's your prerogative. I'd argue that's exactly what you don't want to see from your team.

I'm addressing the argument that basically boils down to 'this is just how the QB market is' among other similarly weak arguments.

I'm not arguing against the fact that it's not what you want to see from your team. I'm simply reminding you that fans talking about this isn't the same as people whose jobs rely on those players to do well.

That is why these deals are done. You guys can claim Jags, Dallas, Miami made mistakes signing their QBs but they're like every other team which when they have a proven QB they aren't ok losing the deals get done whether fans think they overpaid or not.

Originally posted by genus49:
I'm not arguing against the fact that it's not what you want to see from your team. I'm simply reminding you that fans talking about this isn't the same as people whose jobs rely on those players to do well.

That is why these deals are done. You guys can claim Jags, Dallas, Miami made mistakes signing their QBs but they're like every other team which when they have a proven QB they aren't ok losing the deals get done whether fans think they overpaid or not.

Ok, great. I don't think there's a disagreement in this being a factor on why deals are done. I have yet to see it presented at least. Definitely could have missed it.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
Phase 1 of the offseason activities start on April 21st. Phase 3 (OTAs) start on May 27th. If we hit OTAs and a deal is not done, then start to worry.
Aiyuk didn't get ghosted by Paraag until mid-May last offseason.

Why worry when he is under contract?

Good god you are annoying. The concern is that you have ownership, Lynch, Shanahan, and Purdy wanting a deal done before OTAs. They want to get the extension done and that's the deadline they've set.

They didnt set any deadline. You're making stuff up. Lynch himself said he's making "no guarantees" or promises it will get done by then.

I'm annoying because I'm not allowing you to make stuff up out of thin air. I know.

The onus is on Purdy. He's under contract and he cannot accrue a year if he holds out for too long.

I know you may not like the truth, but it is what it is...

"The onus is on Purdy. He's under contract and he cannot accrue a year if he holds out for too long."

omg dude.. didn't you just argue for pages with typecast that can't be done after he showed you it can!

lmao
so clueless

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
I did forget about Alex but also hard to act like he was at the level of either Daniels or Cousins. He was coming off his best season with KC but that was a loaded roster. He was pretty much back to his game manager mode at that point.

And even if you want to treat Alex like a legit QB it took KC finding Mahomes to move Alex. Do you want this front office to get into the QB carousel mode? You can get lucky and find a stud to feel much better about long term...or you could find yourself losing your job and another HC making that find.

I didn't argue he was on the level of Cousins or Daniels. I said they got worse at the position in fact. But Alex Smith was a decent starter, and losing Cousins really didn't mean anything to the teams who replaced him. That's the entirety of the point I'm making. Moving on from Cousins in my opinion can be argued as a smart move. Signing guys like* Tua and Dak to monster deals is not, on the other side.

Alex Smith for Andy Reid was a pretty great starter. If that was the Alex that turned out in Washington, sure. But that didn't happen. Alex was not good before the injury in Washington.

Of the 34 QBs that had 126 pass attempts (14 atts x 9 gms), 2018 Alex was 22nd in cmp% (27th in cmp% over expected), 23rd in pass yards, 31st in y/c, 29th in y/a, 21st in adj y/a, 25th in y/g, 26th in pass TDs, 5th in Ints, 22nd in QB Rating, 24th in QBR, 22nd in epa/play, 26th in win probability added per play, 21st in passing success rate. Besides Ints, those are huge drop-offs from both 2017 Alex and 2017 Kirk.

32 QB's with 224 Min Pass Attempts in 2017:

• 2017 Alex was 3rd in cmp% (3rd in cmp% over expected), 8th in pass yards, 9th in y/c, 2nd in y/a, 1st in adj y/a, 8th in y/g, 9th in pass TDs, 6th in pass TD%, 1st in Ints, 1st in Int%, 1st in QB Rating, 8th in QBR, 6th in epa/play, 6th in win probability added per play, 11th in pass success rate
• 2017 Kirk was 9th in cmp% (12th in cmp% over expected), 7th in pass yards, 11th in y/c, 9th in y/a, 11th in adj y/a, 10th in y/g, 8th in pass TDs, 24th in Ints, 12th in QB Rating, 17th in QBR, 16th in EPA/play, 10th in win probability added per play, 11th in pass success rate

He really benefited from his defense beating up on terrible opponents. They had the 10th easiest strength of schedule played through 10 weeks, facing only three teams that ended the season with winning records. Two of those team blew Washington out by double digits. They squeaked out a 3-pt win against the Cowboys. That defense gave up 15.7ppg against the bad teams with the offense putting up 21.3ppg.