QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Being mobile is a formula of quickness, agility, elusiveness etc. it's not one trait. Come on lol

you can't be mobile if you're not elusive, quick, etc.

to be able to mobilize your self, it takes more than being big and fast. The other traits are very important.

Yes, you can be mobile if youre not elusive and quick

Kaepernick wasn't particularly elusive nor was he quick in space. He didn't evade many sacks. He was definitely mobile and very fast once he was hitting the open field and legs hitting that stride.

Kap was way quicker and faster than Trey. That's not even close. Kap has the all time qb rushing yards in a playoff game. So not a good comparison at all.

Kap was faster, not quicker. Kap had those gazelle legs but in the pocket there wasn't that quickness you've been talking about.

Originally posted by genus49:
Are you talking just to talk?

First of all his broken finger has nothing to do with his running. It was a follow through on a pass that can happen to any QB.

He had plenty of nice elusive runs vs Seattle. Wasn't a pretty game for him throwing wise but especially towards the end of the game there were several fast twitch elusive runs.

It's why I'd prefer we don't run him like a FB as much and save his running for broken pass plays or limit them to redzone, goal line situations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kVyEyyygQU&ab_channel=TheSFNiners

Link for you to make it easier to remember.

Players like Justin fields, Lamar jackson, Josh Allen, Herbert, younger Wilson, etc. those guys are mobile. If you feel like Trey moves ANYTHING like those guy, then we just have to agree to disagree.

i personally don't think you can be considered a mobile qb if you struggle to get to the point of mobilizing. He's definitely capable of running but I don't think he's any good at it. I don't think that's a strength of his at all.

i thought it was very telling that Kyle would just run up the gut with him, which I still think was stupid.

idc if someone is big and fast on paper. That doesn't mean you're a mobile qb. You have to prove that you can avoid the rush consistently, extend plays consistently, beat defenders. Maybe he will when he is healthy.

im saying that I personally don't think he should be considered mobile just cause on paper he's big and fast. I want to see it on the field.

It felt like the same situation when Trey was in there as when Jimmy was.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Being mobile is a formula of quickness, agility, elusiveness etc. it's not one trait. Come on lol

you can't be mobile if you're not elusive, quick, etc.

to be able to mobilize your self, it takes more than being big and fast. The other traits are very important.

Yes, you can be mobile if youre not elusive and quick

Kaepernick wasn't particularly elusive nor was he quick in space. He didn't evade many sacks. He was definitely mobile and very fast once he was hitting the open field and legs hitting that stride.

Kap was way quicker and faster than Trey. That's not even close. Kap has the all time qb rushing yards in a playoff game. So not a good comparison at all.

Kap was faster, not quicker. Kap had those gazelle legs but in the pocket there wasn't that quickness you've been talking about.

Kap wasn't Lamar quick but he was quick. It was relatively easy for him to out run defenders and get a nice burst going.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
Are you talking just to talk?

First of all his broken finger has nothing to do with his running. It was a follow through on a pass that can happen to any QB.

He had plenty of nice elusive runs vs Seattle. Wasn't a pretty game for him throwing wise but especially towards the end of the game there were several fast twitch elusive runs.

It's why I'd prefer we don't run him like a FB as much and save his running for broken pass plays or limit them to redzone, goal line situations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kVyEyyygQU&ab_channel=TheSFNiners

Link for you to make it easier to remember.

Players like Justin fields, Lamar jackson, Josh Allen, Herbert, younger Wilson, etc. those guys are mobile. If you feel like Trey moves ANYTHING like those guy, then we just have to agree to disagree.

i personally don't think you can be considered a mobile qb if you struggle to get to the point of mobilizing. He's definitely capable of running but I don't think he's any good at it. I don't think that's a strength of his at all.

i thought it was very telling that Kyle would just run up the gut with him, which I still think was stupid.

idc if someone is big and fast on paper. That doesn't mean you're a mobile qb. You have to prove that you can avoid the rush consistently, extend plays consistently, beat defenders. Maybe he will when he is healthy.

im saying that I personally don't think he should be considered mobile just cause on paper he's big and fast. I want to see it on the field.

It felt like the same situation when Trey was in there as when Jimmy was.

I don't think you have enough info to have a f**king clue what you're talking about. I don't just think that I know it. He may be a complete bust he may end up being god. He has not played enough to show us what he can do. Fact

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
Are you talking just to talk?

First of all his broken finger has nothing to do with his running. It was a follow through on a pass that can happen to any QB.

He had plenty of nice elusive runs vs Seattle. Wasn't a pretty game for him throwing wise but especially towards the end of the game there were several fast twitch elusive runs.

It's why I'd prefer we don't run him like a FB as much and save his running for broken pass plays or limit them to redzone, goal line situations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kVyEyyygQU&ab_channel=TheSFNiners

Link for you to make it easier to remember.

Players like Justin fields, Lamar jackson, Josh Allen, Herbert, younger Wilson, etc. those guys are mobile. If you feel like Trey moves ANYTHING like those guy, then we just have to agree to disagree.

i personally don't think you can be considered a mobile qb if you struggle to get to the point of mobilizing. He's definitely capable of running but I don't think he's any good at it. I don't think that's a strength of his at all.

i thought it was very telling that Kyle would just run up the gut with him, which I still think was stupid.

idc if someone is big and fast on paper. That doesn't mean you're a mobile qb. You have to prove that you can avoid the rush consistently, extend plays consistently, beat defenders. Maybe he will when he is healthy.

im saying that I personally don't think he should be considered mobile just cause on paper he's big and fast. I want to see it on the field.

It felt like the same situation when Trey was in there as when Jimmy was.

Watch the video then come back and talk. I would argue that was the most mobile Trey has looked and most of those runs he was just reacting. Something to be said when the designed QB power runs don't look as explosive.

And listing Josh Allen and Herbert with the other guys just further proof that you're just kind of rambling nonsense here. Those are very different players and Trey is absolutely in the Allen and certainly the Herbert level.

I am more excited about Brock than I was with Kap..and I am from Reno originally lol was there many years & when Kap was playing & when he got signed to the Niners. Brock gets less distracted it seems. I haven't been this enthused about a Niners qb since the 90s tbh

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
All that really matters for a QB is for them to be agile, elusive, and quick in the pocket. Big Ben was very hard to sack early in his career - he just became too big. Haha

Trey may prove me wrong in the future but from what I've seen - he isn't a mobile qb. He isn't elusive/agile/quick in small spaces. He's just big and fast, but the real issue is that he doesn't know how to avoid hits/slide/protect himself. I'm optimistic he will show a lot of improvement mobility wise in TC. I think he kind of has to or Kyle might give up on him. He was really adamant and excited about having a dynamic-mobile quarterback.

The two best QBs in nfl history were not great athletes - Brady and Montana, hell manning wasn't a very good athlete mobility wise.

Trey's pocket presence is good. He may not be as quick but bigger guys tend to not be as quick. What he loses with quickness he gains with ability to shake off some of the hits that would bring down smaller guys.

Saying Trey isn't a mobile QB is just silly. If you want to say he's not super elusive or quick that's fine but there are more than one way to skin a mobile QB cat.

He's literally not mobile. Lol his play shows that. Now if you want to say "if Trey is by himself on the field and he can run really fast" then okay? But you don't just get to be "mobile" cause you're big and fast. There is so much more to it.
im not saying he is a statue either but in comparison to every other mobile qb in this league, he isn't on their level or near it.

he's had over 50 runs and were any of them impressive? Have you players have you seen plow through that wasn't in FCS football.

I don't think Trey is build like the Josh Allen's of the world. He hasn't plowed anyone. He's been the one getting beat the s**t out of. Llol broken fingers, messed up knee, messed up ankle etc.

Yep. No explosive runs in over 50 attempts.

So I guess that if Lance is not mobile, he´s a statue then?^^
Just on the Texans game, there´s a lot of plays where he scrambled and yeah he was mobile.^^ Jimmy would hope to be as mobile.
Now Trey is not Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields quite clearly but I would like to say who f**king cares?
He should only use his legs to avoid pressure and scramble just like Brock does right now or Jimmy did before the ACL injury.
It was a mistake from day one to use Trey in this QB run oriented offense.

Originally posted by genus49:
Watch the video then come back and talk. I would argue that was the most mobile Trey has looked and most of those runs he was just reacting. Something to be said when the designed QB power runs don't look as explosive.

And listing Josh Allen and Herbert with the other guys just further proof that you're just kind of rambling nonsense here. Those are very different players and Trey is absolutely in the Allen and certainly the Herbert level.

What? I'm not saying he plays like all of those guys? I'm saying he isn't mobile like them! Many players can be mobile - not just the big and fast ones.

id love Trey to turn out like those guys but it's pretty disrespectful to say he's on their level. Lol

the fact that you can't separate out traits from players and compare them, is very telling. You only compare complete bodies of work? Sad.

Originally posted by pdc20:
So I guess that if Lance is not mobile, he´s a statue then?^^
Just on the Texans game, there´s a lot of plays where he scrambled and yeah he was mobile.^^ Jimmy would hope to be as mobile.
Now Trey is not Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields quite clearly but I would like to say who f**king cares?
He should only use his legs to avoid pressure and scramble just like Brock does right now or Jimmy did before the ACL injury.
It was a mistake from day one to use Trey in this QB run oriented offense.

I literally posted above that he isn't a statue either. Players can be more than either great or terrible. Lol life's not black and white and I feel really sorry for the people that live in That world.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by pdc20:
So I guess that if Lance is not mobile, he´s a statue then?^^
Just on the Texans game, there´s a lot of plays where he scrambled and yeah he was mobile.^^ Jimmy would hope to be as mobile.
Now Trey is not Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields quite clearly but I would like to say who f**king cares?
He should only use his legs to avoid pressure and scramble just like Brock does right now or Jimmy did before the ACL injury.
It was a mistake from day one to use Trey in this QB run oriented offense.

I literally posted above that he isn't a statue either. Players can be more than either great or terrible. Lol life's not black and white and I feel really sorry for the people that live in That world.

"im not saying he is a statue either" it's literally right in there

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by pdc20:
So I guess that if Lance is not mobile, he´s a statue then?^^
Just on the Texans game, there´s a lot of plays where he scrambled and yeah he was mobile.^^ Jimmy would hope to be as mobile.
Now Trey is not Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields quite clearly but I would like to say who f**king cares?
He should only use his legs to avoid pressure and scramble just like Brock does right now or Jimmy did before the ACL injury.
It was a mistake from day one to use Trey in this QB run oriented offense.

I literally posted above that he isn't a statue either. Players can be more than either great or terrible. Lol life's not black and white and I feel really sorry for the people that live in That world.

"im not saying he is a statue either" it's literally right in there

I think I misunderstood you. No I don't think Trey is a statue. I think mobility is a combination of quickness, agility, Elusive etc. when I think mobile I don't really think big run plays or anything. I think of someone who can constantly avoid pressure and can get you 5-10 yards here and there pretty easily.

i will happily eat crow if Lance comes out ballin. I would love that. I just haven't seen him do much in his few starts that would show he is a constant threat with his feet - not like Purdy has in his few starts.

i find it weird to crown someone as mobile when they haven't done it nearly as well as the actual mobile QBs. He can definitely be mobile and has the tools - he just needs to learn how to use them.

So I'm sure many of you have either heard or heard about Steve Young's take a couple days ago about Brock and the "comparison" that he made to Mahomes. It's now getting around to the national football media and they're collectively losing their effing minds. The problem is he wasn't comparing him straight up to Mahomes as a QB, he was comparing one single aspect of Brock's mentality and makeup to what he remembers about seeing PM in that one start he made the last game of his rookie season (resting Alex Smith). So these idiot talking heads are taking something completely out of context and losing their s**t.

Originally posted by ninerjok:
So I'm sure many of you have either heard or heard about Steve Young's take a couple days ago about Brock and the "comparison" that he made to Mahomes. It's now getting around to the national football media and they're collectively losing their effing minds. The problem is he wasn't comparing him straight up to Mahomes as a QB, he was comparing one single aspect of Brock's mentality and makeup to what he remembers about seeing PM in that one start he made the last game of his rookie season (resting Alex Smith). So these idiot talking heads are taking something completely out of context and losing their s**t.

Yeah, it's an absolute joke because that isn't what young said at all. He just said his calmness and poise reminds him of Mahommes as a rookie - because he was so impressed by Mahommes poise. That's all.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
So I'm sure many of you have either heard or heard about Steve Young's take a couple days ago about Brock and the "comparison" that he made to Mahomes. It's now getting around to the national football media and they're collectively losing their effing minds. The problem is he wasn't comparing him straight up to Mahomes as a QB, he was comparing one single aspect of Brock's mentality and makeup to what he remembers about seeing PM in that one start he made the last game of his rookie season (resting Alex Smith). So these idiot talking heads are taking something completely out of context and losing their s**t.

Yeah, it's an absolute joke because that isn't what young said at all. He just said his calmness and poise reminds him of Mahommes as a rookie - because he was so impressed by Mahommes poise. That's all.

Also the off platform style; clearly Mahomes has some tools very few others do.. but when you see a QB doing this.. come on now.. who does this remind you of