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Jan 9, 2023 at 5:41 AM
Originally posted by YACBros85:
By definition, if a ball hits a receiver in the stomach, chest or palm of the hands, its on target.

That's a not a great definition for obvious reasons since the hands can move. By that definition this pass is on target and a drop by Kittle and that makes it worthless.

[ Edited by 49ersRing on Jan 9, 2023 at 5:41 AM ]
Jan 9, 2023 at 5:43 AM
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?
[ Edited by 49ersRing on Jan 9, 2023 at 5:44 AM ]
Jan 9, 2023 at 5:44 AM
Originally posted by raywm3:
So, I love the Brock story but found it interesting when I compared his stats to Jimmy's for this season. For as much of a "gunslinger" that Purdy has been, Jimmy was actually more of one. Actually, IMO Jimmy's stats blows Brock's away in a couple categories which I wouldn't have guessed before I looked.

What did you find?
Jan 9, 2023 at 5:47 AM
Originally posted by raywm3:
So, I love the Brock story but found it interesting when I compared his stats to Jimmy's for this season. For as much of a "gunslinger" that Purdy has been, Jimmy was actually more of one. Actually, IMO Jimmy's stats blows Brock's away in a couple categories which I wouldn't have guessed before I looked.

Passes of 20+ yards.

Jimmy- 8 of 28 for 9.8 YPA, 1 TD, 1 INT with a 65.0 passer rating. That is a 3.6% TD rate

Brock- 5 of 12 for 14.6 YPA, 4 TD's, 1 INT with a 93.8 passer rating. That is a 33.3% TD rate.

Also, Jimmy has a 5.2% TD rate on the season and Brock has a 7.7% TD rate on the season.
Jan 9, 2023 at 5:48 AM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
By definition, if a ball hits a receiver in the stomach, chest or palm of the hands, its on target.

That's a not a great definition for obvious reasons since the hands can move. By that definition this pass is on target and a drop by Kittle and that makes it worthless.


Not a great pass, but also a bad block by the WR.
Jan 9, 2023 at 5:49 AM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.
Jan 9, 2023 at 5:52 AM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
By definition, if a ball hits a receiver in the stomach, chest or palm of the hands, its on target.

That's a not a great definition for obvious reasons since the hands can move. By that definition this pass is on target and a drop by Kittle and that makes it worthless.


That ball hit him in the finger tips and I highly doubt it was scored as a drop by Kittle.
Jan 9, 2023 at 5:52 AM
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.
Jan 9, 2023 at 5:53 AM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Jan 9, 2023 at 6:13 AM ]
Jan 9, 2023 at 5:55 AM
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
By definition, if a ball hits a receiver in the stomach, chest or palm of the hands, its on target.

That's a not a great definition for obvious reasons since the hands can move. By that definition this pass is on target and a drop by Kittle and that makes it worthless.


That ball hit him in the finger tips and I highly doubt it was scored as a drop by Kittle.

It's literally in the palm of his hands. An on target pass as you would define it.
Jan 9, 2023 at 6:00 AM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
By definition, if a ball hits a receiver in the stomach, chest or palm of the hands, its on target.

That's a not a great definition for obvious reasons since the hands can move. By that definition this pass is on target and a drop by Kittle and that makes it worthless.


That ball hit him in the finger tips and I highly doubt it was scored as a drop by Kittle.

It's literally in the palm of his hands. An on target pass as you would define it.

It did not hit him in the palms. If it hit him the palms, he would have caught it. Please try again.
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Jan 9, 2023 at 6:02 AM ]
Jan 9, 2023 at 6:01 AM
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

Good, narrow definitions are important, but if you want to look at the stats regarding actual accuracy and drops:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.html

Jimmy Garoppolo: Drop% 6.9%, On Target% 74.5%
Brock Purdy: Drop% 5.5%, On Target% 68.5%
Jan 9, 2023 at 6:03 AM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

Good, narrow definitions are important, but if you want to look at the stats regarding actual accuracy and drops:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.html

Jimmy Garoppolo: Drop% 6.9%, On Target% 74.5%
Brock Purdy: Drop% 5.5%, On Target% 68.5%

I don't trust a stats site that grades QB's on hollow stats such as intended air yards.
Jan 9, 2023 at 6:07 AM
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

Good, narrow definitions are important, but if you want to look at the stats regarding actual accuracy and drops:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.html

Jimmy Garoppolo: Drop% 6.9%, On Target% 74.5%
Brock Purdy: Drop% 5.5%, On Target% 68.5%

I don't trust a stats site that grades QB's on hollow stats such as intended air yards.

Intended Air Yards is literally just ADoT, a pretty common passing stat: "Intended air yards per pass attempt - Average depth of target, whether completed or not"
Jan 9, 2023 at 6:10 AM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

Good, narrow definitions are important, but if you want to look at the stats regarding actual accuracy and drops:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.html

Jimmy Garoppolo: Drop% 6.9%, On Target% 74.5%
Brock Purdy: Drop% 5.5%, On Target% 68.5%

I don't trust a stats site that grades QB's on hollow stats such as intended air yards.

Intended Air Yards is literally just ADoT, a pretty common passing stat: "Intended air yards per pass attempt - Average depth of target, whether completed or not"

It is a hollow stat that means nothing. It is a stat that gives a QB a pat on the back for a 40 yard incompletion and tries to make it out to be better than a 5 yard incompletion.
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