QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

Good, narrow definitions are important, but if you want to look at the stats regarding actual accuracy and drops:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.html

Jimmy Garoppolo: Drop% 6.9%, On Target% 74.5%
Brock Purdy: Drop% 5.5%, On Target% 68.5%

I don't trust a stats site that grades QB's on hollow stats such as intended air yards.

Intended Air Yards is literally just ADoT, a pretty common passing stat: "Intended air yards per pass attempt - Average depth of target, whether completed or not"

It is a hollow stat that means nothing. It is a stat that gives a QB a pat on the back for a 40 yard incompletion and tries to make it out to be better than a 5 yard incompletion.

How is it giving a pat on the back by literally just tracking the numbers? How people choose to interpret the numbers is up to them, but are you really going to argue that ADoT is a useless stat?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.  

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.

All of that is your subjective analysis of the play and has nothing to do with stats. Your "feelings" as you're calling them.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

Good, narrow definitions are important, but if you want to look at the stats regarding actual accuracy and drops:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.html

Jimmy Garoppolo: Drop% 6.9%, On Target% 74.5%
Brock Purdy: Drop% 5.5%, On Target% 68.5%

I don't trust a stats site that grades QB's on hollow stats such as intended air yards.

Intended Air Yards is literally just ADoT, a pretty common passing stat: "Intended air yards per pass attempt - Average depth of target, whether completed or not"

It is a hollow stat that means nothing. It is a stat that gives a QB a pat on the back for a 40 yard incompletion and tries to make it out to be better than a 5 yard incompletion.

How is it giving a pat on the back by literally just tracking the numbers? How people choose to interpret the numbers is up to them, but are you really going to argue that ADoT is a useless stat?

Yes. Absolutely. Are you going to tell me that a 5 yard catch that goes for 50 yards is somehow less impactful than a 50 yard catch that goes for 0 yards after the catch?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.  

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.

All of that is your subjective analysis of the play and has nothing to do with stats. Your "feelings" as you're calling them.

Its not feelings. By definition, that pass was on target. Feelings would tell us otherwise because it was a difficult pass to catch.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.

All of that is your subjective analysis of the play and has nothing to do with stats. Your "feelings" as you're calling them.

Its not feelings. By definition, that pass was on target. Feelings would tell us otherwise because it was a difficult pass to catch.

I don't even know which pass you're referring to? The one that was intercepted when JJ batted the ball in the air?

I really like Steve Young's "The Force" analogy when it comes to Purdy, or when it comes to the great QB's of yore and of the present.

If it is true at all that Purdy has "The Force", and I think by now it's clear he does have some measure of it, then he would be the NFL's equivalent of Grogu.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.

All of that is your subjective analysis of the play and has nothing to do with stats. Your "feelings" as you're calling them.

Its not feelings. By definition, that pass was on target. Feelings would tell us otherwise because it was a difficult pass to catch.

I don't even know which pass you're referring to? The one that was intercepted when JJ batted the ball in the air?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

Good, narrow definitions are important, but if you want to look at the stats regarding actual accuracy and drops:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.html

Jimmy Garoppolo: Drop% 6.9%, On Target% 74.5%
Brock Purdy: Drop% 5.5%, On Target% 68.5%

I don't trust a stats site that grades QB's on hollow stats such as intended air yards.

Intended Air Yards is literally just ADoT, a pretty common passing stat: "Intended air yards per pass attempt - Average depth of target, whether completed or not"

It is a hollow stat that means nothing. It is a stat that gives a QB a pat on the back for a 40 yard incompletion and tries to make it out to be better than a 5 yard incompletion.

How is it giving a pat on the back by literally just tracking the numbers? How people choose to interpret the numbers is up to them, but are you really going to argue that ADoT is a useless stat?

Yes. Absolutely. Are you going to tell me that a 5 yard catch that goes for 50 yards is somehow less impactful than a 50 yard catch that goes for 0 yards after the catch?

What's that have to do with analyzing the QB? The QB isn't the one getting 45 yards of YAC and by your on-target definition the ball might not even have hit the receiver in stride.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.  

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

Good, narrow definitions are important, but if you want to look at the stats regarding actual accuracy and drops:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.html

Jimmy Garoppolo: Drop% 6.9%, On Target% 74.5%
Brock Purdy: Drop% 5.5%, On Target% 68.5%

I don't trust a stats site that grades QB's on hollow stats such as intended air yards.

Intended Air Yards is literally just ADoT, a pretty common passing stat: "Intended air yards per pass attempt - Average depth of target, whether completed or not"

It is a hollow stat that means nothing. It is a stat that gives a QB a pat on the back for a 40 yard incompletion and tries to make it out to be better than a 5 yard incompletion.

How is it giving a pat on the back by literally just tracking the numbers? How people choose to interpret the numbers is up to them, but are you really going to argue that ADoT is a useless stat?

Yes. Absolutely. Are you going to tell me that a 5 yard catch that goes for 50 yards is somehow less impactful than a 50 yard catch that goes for 0 yards after the catch?

What's that have to do with analyzing the QB? The QB isn't the one getting 45 yards of YAC and by your on-target definition the ball might not even have hit the receiver in stride.

You are the one who brought up ADOT. Wtf does ADOT have to do with on target passes or a QB's overall performance? I care a whole lot more about balance in the passing game than I will ever care about how high a QB's ADOT is.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Check out this throw from Brock Purdy 🥵

3rd and 9, Brock puts it in a tight window — between the LB and DB — to Jauan Jennings for a gain of 15 yards…

This extends the drive and 2 plays later Ray-Ray McCloud takes it 71-yards for the first score of the game. #49ers pic.twitter.com/aAwZBzH7Fy

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 25, 2022

Don't turn your back on Brock

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.

All of that is your subjective analysis of the play and has nothing to do with stats. Your "feelings" as you're calling them.

Its not feelings. By definition, that pass was on target. Feelings would tell us otherwise because it was a difficult pass to catch.

I don't even know which pass you're referring to? The one that was intercepted when JJ batted the ball in the air?

Check out this throw from Brock Purdy 🥵

3rd and 9, Brock puts it in a tight window — between the LB and DB — to Jauan Jennings for a gain of 15 yards…

This extends the drive and 2 plays later Ray-Ray McCloud takes it 71-yards for the first score of the game. #49ers pic.twitter.com/aAwZBzH7Fy

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 25, 2022

I don't have any problems with that pass and never claimed to?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

Good, narrow definitions are important, but if you want to look at the stats regarding actual accuracy and drops:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.html

Jimmy Garoppolo: Drop% 6.9%, On Target% 74.5%
Brock Purdy: Drop% 5.5%, On Target% 68.5%

I don't trust a stats site that grades QB's on hollow stats such as intended air yards.

Intended Air Yards is literally just ADoT, a pretty common passing stat: "Intended air yards per pass attempt - Average depth of target, whether completed or not"

It is a hollow stat that means nothing. It is a stat that gives a QB a pat on the back for a 40 yard incompletion and tries to make it out to be better than a 5 yard incompletion.

How is it giving a pat on the back by literally just tracking the numbers? How people choose to interpret the numbers is up to them, but are you really going to argue that ADoT is a useless stat?

Yes. Absolutely. Are you going to tell me that a 5 yard catch that goes for 50 yards is somehow less impactful than a 50 yard catch that goes for 0 yards after the catch?

What's that have to do with analyzing the QB? The QB isn't the one getting 45 yards of YAC and by your on-target definition the ball might not even have hit the receiver in stride.

You are the one who brought up ADOT. Wtf does ADOT have to do with on target passes or a QB's overall performance? I care a whole lot more about balance in the passing game than I will ever care about how high a QB's ADOT is.

WTF are you talking about? You're the one that brought up ADoT as a reason to throw out all of PFRs stats as invalid.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.

All of that is your subjective analysis of the play and has nothing to do with stats. Your "feelings" as you're calling them.

Its not feelings. By definition, that pass was on target. Feelings would tell us otherwise because it was a difficult pass to catch.

I don't even know which pass you're referring to? The one that was intercepted when JJ batted the ball in the air?

Check out this throw from Brock Purdy 🥵

3rd and 9, Brock puts it in a tight window — between the LB and DB — to Jauan Jennings for a gain of 15 yards…

This extends the drive and 2 plays later Ray-Ray McCloud takes it 71-yards for the first score of the game. #49ers pic.twitter.com/aAwZBzH7Fy

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 25, 2022

I don't have any problems with that pass and never claimed to?

But you cannot define what great ball placement is. Nor have you charted your own list of drops that you consider great ball placement vs poor ball placement. Your original claim was that all of our drops under Purdy were because of poor ball placement. A drop is defined by an on target pass that was not caught. There is no definition for great ball placement which I demonstrated by the play I just showed you.

You made that claim about Purdy's ball placement after I posted a stat that says Purdy has had a higher drop% than Jimmy. By PFF's definition, Purdy has a drop% of 7.5 and Jimmy has a drop% of 5.1. The difference was 20 ranking spots. Since PFF grades them all the same by their own definition, Purdy has faced a little more adversity in that area of performance.

Anyone complaining about what this rookie has done and is doing has got major major problems. I don't think anyone should have had expectations anywhere close to what he has done so far. Get outta here with that crap.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

The #49ers 8 games with 30+ pts is tied for the 4th-most in 49ers' history since at least 1970.

The #49ers have scored 37+ points in 3 straight games, which matches the longest streak by the team since at least 1970.  

Offense is on fire.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) January 9, 2023

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.

All of that is your subjective analysis of the play and has nothing to do with stats. Your "feelings" as you're calling them.

Its not feelings. By definition, that pass was on target. Feelings would tell us otherwise because it was a difficult pass to catch.

I don't even know which pass you're referring to? The one that was intercepted when JJ batted the ball in the air?

Check out this throw from Brock Purdy 🥵

3rd and 9, Brock puts it in a tight window — between the LB and DB — to Jauan Jennings for a gain of 15 yards…

This extends the drive and 2 plays later Ray-Ray McCloud takes it 71-yards for the first score of the game. #49ers pic.twitter.com/aAwZBzH7Fy

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 25, 2022

I don't have any problems with that pass and never claimed to?

But you cannot define what great ball placement is. Nor have you charted your own list of drops that you consider great ball placement vs poor ball placement. Your original claim was that all of our drops under Purdy were because of poor ball placement. A drop is defined by an on target pass that was not caught. There is no definition for great ball placement which I demonstrated by the play I just showed you.

You made that claim about Purdy's ball placement after I posted a stat that says Purdy has had a higher drop% than Jimmy. By PFF's definition, Purdy has a drop% of 7.5 and Jimmy has a drop% of 5.1. The difference was 20 ranking spots. Since PFF grades them all the same by their own definition, Purdy has faced a little more adversity in that area of performance.

What is your explanation for the increase in drop rate that isn't that our receivers just randomly dropped more passes with Brock vs. Jimmy? (If they even have since PFR literally shows the reverse and I have no one reason to trust one over the other and goes to show the inherent subjectivity of this stat.)