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Jan 9, 2023 at 7:35 AM
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Anyone complaining about what this rookie has done and is doing has got major major problems. I don't think anyone should have had expectations anywhere close to what he has done so far. Get outta here with that crap.

100000% agreed.
Jan 9, 2023 at 7:41 AM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.

All of that is your subjective analysis of the play and has nothing to do with stats. Your "feelings" as you're calling them.

Its not feelings. By definition, that pass was on target. Feelings would tell us otherwise because it was a difficult pass to catch.

I don't even know which pass you're referring to? The one that was intercepted when JJ batted the ball in the air?


I don't have any problems with that pass and never claimed to?

But you cannot define what great ball placement is. Nor have you charted your own list of drops that you consider great ball placement vs poor ball placement. Your original claim was that all of our drops under Purdy were because of poor ball placement. A drop is defined by an on target pass that was not caught. There is no definition for great ball placement which I demonstrated by the play I just showed you.

You made that claim about Purdy's ball placement after I posted a stat that says Purdy has had a higher drop% than Jimmy. By PFF's definition, Purdy has a drop% of 7.5 and Jimmy has a drop% of 5.1. The difference was 20 ranking spots. Since PFF grades them all the same by their own definition, Purdy has faced a little more adversity in that area of performance.

What is your explanation for the increase in drop rate that isn't that our receivers just randomly dropped more passes with Brock vs. Jimmy? (If they even have since PFR literally shows the reverse and I have no one reason to trust one over the other and goes to show the inherent subjectivity of this stat.)

The increase in drop% could be a number of things. But by PFF's definition, it cannot be because passes were off target.

Do you even know how PFR defines drops? And please, define great ball placement for me?
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Jan 9, 2023 at 7:41 AM ]
Jan 9, 2023 at 7:45 AM
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Anyone complaining about what this rookie has done and is doing has got major major problems. I don't think anyone should have had expectations anywhere close to what he has done so far. Get outta here with that crap.

Absolutely. Nearly everything he's done so far has been positive. His worst moment may have been yesterday when he took a big sack instead of throwing the ball away. Kyle let him know after that one.

Josh Allen is considered to be the most physically gifted QB in the league. Size, speed and an arm that can put the ball on a dime from 50-60 yards away. He made a throw yesterday from the opposite hash to the goal line from 60 yards. It was right in the receivers hands. At the same time his completion percentage and passer rating isn't as high as Brock's in the last 5 games. Sure I wish Brock was 3 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier. Sure I wish he had a stronger arm. Yet he still get's the job done even though he's not physically gifted.

Sometimes when you lack certain things and aren't a gifted athlete you work harder and learn to compensate in other ways.
Jan 9, 2023 at 7:45 AM
Brock Purdy #1 fan future MVP!
Jan 9, 2023 at 7:49 AM
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.

All of that is your subjective analysis of the play and has nothing to do with stats. Your "feelings" as you're calling them.

Its not feelings. By definition, that pass was on target. Feelings would tell us otherwise because it was a difficult pass to catch.

I don't even know which pass you're referring to? The one that was intercepted when JJ batted the ball in the air?

That the same defense that made Dak look Wak?!
Jan 9, 2023 at 8:00 AM
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Originally posted by PurdyNiners:
Brock Purdy #1 fan future MVP!

purdy sure this is Purdy's moms handle.
Jan 9, 2023 at 8:10 AM
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.

All of that is your subjective analysis of the play and has nothing to do with stats. Your "feelings" as you're calling them.

Its not feelings. By definition, that pass was on target. Feelings would tell us otherwise because it was a difficult pass to catch.

I don't even know which pass you're referring to? The one that was intercepted when JJ batted the ball in the air?


I don't have any problems with that pass and never claimed to?

But you cannot define what great ball placement is. Nor have you charted your own list of drops that you consider great ball placement vs poor ball placement. Your original claim was that all of our drops under Purdy were because of poor ball placement. A drop is defined by an on target pass that was not caught. There is no definition for great ball placement which I demonstrated by the play I just showed you.

You made that claim about Purdy's ball placement after I posted a stat that says Purdy has had a higher drop% than Jimmy. By PFF's definition, Purdy has a drop% of 7.5 and Jimmy has a drop% of 5.1. The difference was 20 ranking spots. Since PFF grades them all the same by their own definition, Purdy has faced a little more adversity in that area of performance.

What is your explanation for the increase in drop rate that isn't that our receivers just randomly dropped more passes with Brock vs. Jimmy? (If they even have since PFR literally shows the reverse and I have no one reason to trust one over the other and goes to show the inherent subjectivity of this stat.)

The increase in drop% could be a number of things. But by PFF's definition, it cannot be because passes were off target.

Do you even know how PFR defines drops? And please, define great ball placement for me?

What does whether it is on-target vs. off-target when that does not prevent a ball from being poorly placed? Good ball placement is easy to define as its simply placing the ball in the most ideal location to achieve the best possible result on a given pass which inherently results in increasing the chance of completion and maximizing the possibility of YAC. That's the definition PFF gives on their own QB accuracy charting.

PFR defines on-target percentage with the same level of definition as PFF, meaning it has little to do with optimal ball placement.

That said, please define what you think these "number of things" could be that would result in the increase in drop percentage?
[ Edited by 49ersRing on Jan 9, 2023 at 8:13 AM ]
Jan 9, 2023 at 8:29 AM
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Playoffs is where we see which QBs are true gamers. If Brock rises to the occasion, then I don't know what other questions there are to answer regarding his mental makeup.

SEA isn't a high frequency blitz team so I think they are going to disguise it up and try to confuse Brock.
Jan 9, 2023 at 8:33 AM
everything continues to be a learning experience for Purdy. no doubt he'll use this to improve.


Jan 9, 2023 at 8:42 AM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Since taking the field against Miami:

161 pass attempts over 6 games
8.1 YPA
13 TD's and 3 INT's
Zero fumbles
112.02 passer rating
33 points per game
6-0

Also has a rushing TD and 0.6 YPC.

Even 2017 Jimmy didn't have numbers anywhere close to this.

Brock has been dealing with a lot of dropped passes. We are ranked 10th worse in the league in passes on target dropped by receivers since he took over. In comparison, we were ranked 30th in that statistic when Jimmy was playing.

His ball placement hasn't always been the best, making some catches harder than they need to be.

Still…

I wasn't talking about passes that weren't on target.

Well there haven't been any drops of on target passes so which ones are you referring to? You also didn't specify that in your original post. Either way, it's not like our receivers suddenly just got worse at catching the ball when Brock came in. He's at fault for the increased drops, but the offensive numbers show that it doesn't matter that much.

Yes, I did.

"Passes on target dropped" which is specifically defined by PFF.

Which by your own supplied definition doesn't necessarily imply great ball placement, so what part of my post were you disagreeing with?

Are you really going to argue over semantics? On taget vs great ball placement. One is defined the other is an opinion.

One is defined by a useless definition that says little about the accuracy of the pass. It tells us nothing which defeats the purpose of a stat.

Only in your mind, bud. Definitions are important otherwise feelings get in the way.

For example. The JJ catch on 3rd down in the commanders game. Feelings would tell you that the pass was slightly behind Jennings. But if by your feelings that ball should be thrown in front of Jennings, hitting him in stride. The problem with those feelings are if Brock throws that ball out in front, it would have been an INT or at the very least a TWP. Brock put that ball only where JJ could catch it.

All of that is your subjective analysis of the play and has nothing to do with stats. Your "feelings" as you're calling them.

Its not feelings. By definition, that pass was on target. Feelings would tell us otherwise because it was a difficult pass to catch.

I don't even know which pass you're referring to? The one that was intercepted when JJ batted the ball in the air?


I don't have any problems with that pass and never claimed to?

But you cannot define what great ball placement is. Nor have you charted your own list of drops that you consider great ball placement vs poor ball placement. Your original claim was that all of our drops under Purdy were because of poor ball placement. A drop is defined by an on target pass that was not caught. There is no definition for great ball placement which I demonstrated by the play I just showed you.

You made that claim about Purdy's ball placement after I posted a stat that says Purdy has had a higher drop% than Jimmy. By PFF's definition, Purdy has a drop% of 7.5 and Jimmy has a drop% of 5.1. The difference was 20 ranking spots. Since PFF grades them all the same by their own definition, Purdy has faced a little more adversity in that area of performance.

What is your explanation for the increase in drop rate that isn't that our receivers just randomly dropped more passes with Brock vs. Jimmy? (If they even have since PFR literally shows the reverse and I have no one reason to trust one over the other and goes to show the inherent subjectivity of this stat.)

The increase in drop% could be a number of things. But by PFF's definition, it cannot be because passes were off target.

Do you even know how PFR defines drops? And please, define great ball placement for me?

What does whether it is on-target vs. off-target when that does not prevent a ball from being poorly placed? Good ball placement is easy to define as its simply placing the ball in the most ideal location to achieve the best possible result on a given pass which inherently results in increasing the chance of completion and maximizing the possibility of YAC. That's the definition PFF gives on their own QB accuracy charting.

PFR defines on-target percentage with the same level of definition as PFF, meaning it has little to do with optimal ball placement.

That said, please define what you think these "number of things" could be that would result in the increase in drop percentage?

One of the biggest reasons is Aiyuk seeing an increase in targets with Deebo out. I love Aiyuk but his biggest issue this season has been drops. He has had a number of them this season but moreso in the last 4 weeks. The other major issue I have seen is Purdy trying to fit the ball in tighter windows. Think of the pass that hit Kittle in the chest at the goalline in the LV game.

Easy to define yet it took 34 words to explain and still left a lot for interpretation. Also, I have seen no stat that tracks good or poor ball placement. That alone leaves it up to pure observation and what someone's feelings tell them is happening at a high rate vs a low rate.
Jan 9, 2023 at 9:41 AM
Originally posted by thl408:
Playoffs is where we see which QBs are true gamers. If Brock rises to the occasion, then I don't know what other questions there are to answer regarding his mental makeup.

SEA isn't a high frequency blitz team so I think they are going to disguise it up and try to confuse Brock.

The reality is it's still NFL football, comp gets a lil tougher. If he has a bad game I feel it will be just the random odds of such a game, not 'playoff jitters' as he's been fearless all season. Looking at the ol schedule his first three games of action were all against playoff teams tho the lesser seeded teams.
Jan 9, 2023 at 9:45 AM
Jan 9, 2023 at 10:00 AM
Originally posted by boast:
everything continues to be a learning experience for Purdy. no doubt he'll use this to improve.



I don't know what the heck was going on early....

Purdy though he was Mike Vick and he could just scramble around at will......

Rookies have their "welcome to the NFL" moments .... I suppose that was his. He was not faster then the defenders, live and learn. It is a good thing that happened... he went to the well thinking he could just out run guys and he couldn't. Glad it happened now so they can work on it before he tries that in the playoffs. He has to overcome bad habits, and that was his reminder he has to keep his eyes down field.
Jan 9, 2023 at 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Skullman80:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Anyone complaining about what this rookie has done and is doing has got major major problems. I don't think anyone should have had expectations anywhere close to what he has done so far. Get outta here with that crap.

100000% agreed.

He looks like Drew Brees to me. With poor mans Russell Wilson Mobility. We found our QB and he is special. Any QB playing this great as a rookie HAS IT IMO.
Jan 9, 2023 at 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Bluesbro:

He's special.
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