QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by cortana49:
Ok, I'm not a great observational fan of QB skills, but I DO have eyes. I read this snippet in an article...

It's never easy playing quarterback in the NFL, but Purdy might as well have the softest landing pad to work with. The 49ers are so good that Purdy's evident limitations (happy feet and poor mechanics, hello!) in the pocket probably won't come back to bite them against the Seahawks.

and was like … really? That's NOT what I see at all. Someone tell me this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. (full article here)

Thanks.

To be more specific, his comment about the "happy feet and poor mechanics" had me doing the Jordan laugh.

I don't think it can be discounted how good of a situation Purdy has been put into with guys like CMC, Deebo (though he's mostly been absent during Purdy's tenure), Kittle, Aiyuk, Kyle's offense etc. He's been helped tremendously by that as any QB would be. That said, I'm not sure what the dude is talking about in terms of Purdy's mechanics or happy feet. They seem at worst fine, and actually seem pretty good. He has a very natural throwing motion and seems comfortable throwing from different arm angles. He does have a tendency to break the pocket too soon, but he is a rookie, so not that surprising.

No he doesn't.

You're right. He's perfect.

Not perfect. He just doesn't have a tendency to break the pocket too soon. Like, at all.

Independent of the result of this play (which was a great throw to Kittle) do you think it was necessary for him to abandon the pocket on this play?

His primary read on the right side was covered and he knew Crosby was going against Mike "swinging gate" McGlinchey, so he bought himself extra time by spinning out to his left. He didn't "abandon" the pocket, he simply moved and reset his base to his left. And threw a touchdown pass. On an absolutely beautiful throw to Kittle.

THIS is your example of "a tendency" to break the pocket to soon? Try again. Maybe get with Random and come up with some pictures with arrows on them.

How are you this hostile over the most innocuous of discussions?

What do think breaking the pocket means if running 5 yards back and leaving the pocket doesn't count? Also, regardless of who is at RT, the play was blocked pretty well, and it shouldn't be encouraged or excused for a QB to anticipate pressure that isn't there.

He saved the play with a great throw that he made unnecessarily more difficult than it had to be. A play can have both good and bad elements to it.

How are you this sensitive over my response? I simply don't agree with you that a QB moving to his left to create space and time for himself, on a throw that ends up being a touchdown pass, is a good example of "a tendency to break the pocket too soon." Surely you have some better examples.

Bottom line is Mahomes, Allen, Burrow do this stuff all the time and end up on Sportscenter Top 10 plays. And you and other Jimmy denigrators said that we should be doing anything possible to get such a QB. Now we finally have one, and you want him to play like a statue in the pocket ala Brady or Roethlisberger (or Jimmy lol)?

Just seems like any excuse to say something negative.

I'm not sensitive over your response, just wondering why there is a need to ramp things up to 11 and start making it personal over a mild criticism. You said he never breaks the pocket early and I posted an example of where I felt he did.

Why are you saying he moved left to create time and space for himself? Why did he need to create it? There was zero pressure in the pocket.

Nothing personal at all, I don't know you. This particular opinion of yours is simply ridiculously bad. I didn't say he never leaves the pocket too soon, every QB makes that mistake now and then. You said he has "a tendency" to do it; I disagree. He stays in the pocket and looks to throw from the pocket. If/when he needs to create extra time to make a play, he does and can. The latter is one of his best strengths, and the play you're citing here is a great example of that.

Try to find at least one good example. And if you want to prove your point that it's a "tendency," then you'll need to find several examples.

You said he didn't have a tendency to break the pocket "at all". How else should I interpret that if not as you saying he doesn't ever break the pocket unnecessarily?

Also, I posted a pretty clear example of him breaking the pocket unnecessarily. He wasn't under any pressure (and likely would not have been under any anytime soon) when he abandoned the pocket, so if it wasn't necessary for him to do it to keep the play alive, it is unnecessary. I don't see the point in posting further examples if you're going to just create a fantasy narrative of each play in order to justify it. Especially since it was just a mild criticism of something that has been noted and talked about by others, including KS, prior to today.

Not having a tendency doesn't mean that it's never done.

Okay, just for fun, let's agree that his spectacular touchdown pass to Kittle was an example of breaking the pocket too soon. Do you have any others? Or is one example enough to prove that it's a "tendency?"

How many examples do I need to pass the subjective threshold of a tendency? I chose that one because it was one that I remembered clearly and could easily find film of it.

He has 170 pass attempts this season. A tendency would be 10%? 5%? 5% is pretty low to call it a tendency, but we'll make it easy. So that's 8. 8 example of Purdy breaking the pocket too soon. Let's do this.

Pay me if you want me to do the legwork on your ridiculous and arbitrary standard to prove a mild critique (mentioned amongst praise in the context of trying to understand where the author of an article was coming from). Not to mention it also appearing on his scouting report and being mentioned by other 49ers analysts. Just a ridiculous attempt to censor all criticism and discussion like you used to do with Jimmy. Only a matter of time before you start accusing people of being in the Purdy Haters Club (if you haven't already).

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Nah. at :14 of that video, McG is beat and Maxx is heading toward BCB on that side. BCB moves away from the pressure as you can see at :15. If he breaks .25 seconds later, this play doesn't happen.

McG is not beat until Purdy drifts backwards changing the angle of Crosby's rush. It's not on the tackle if the QB moves further back like that, because the tackle is protecting the area where he anticipates the QB to be.

Nope. Maxx is moving toward BCB on McGs shoulder when BCB moves. In under .25 seconds, BCB moves away from the man bearing down on him and later makes a huge play. He did not break early at all.

It all happens in under a second (half second) in any event, so even if you think he broke early on this play, we are talking about less than 1/2 a second difference.

If you go to about 15 seconds into the video, Crosby is still inside of McG while Purdy has his back turned to the defense. If Purdy just takes a step up, there isn't really an angle for Crosby, similar to the other play I posted.

Do we really have to spend another four pages running down a single play that resulted in a touchdown? SHEEESH

Originally posted by thl408:
Running around before throwing a pass earns a player more PFF points. I think that's why he did what he did.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Nah. at :14 of that video, McG is beat and Maxx is heading toward BCB on that side. BCB moves away from the pressure as you can see at :15. If he breaks .25 seconds later, this play doesn't happen.

McG is not beat until Purdy drifts backwards changing the angle of Crosby's rush. It's not on the tackle if the QB moves further back like that, because the tackle is protecting the area where he anticipates the QB to be.

Nope. Maxx is moving toward BCB on McGs shoulder when BCB moves. In under .25 seconds, BCB moves away from the man bearing down on him and later makes a huge play. He did not break early at all.

It all happens in under a second (half second) in any event, so even if you think he broke early on this play, we are talking about less than 1/2 a second difference.

If you go to about 15 seconds into the video, Crosby is still inside of McG while Purdy has his back turned to the defense. If Purdy just takes a step up, there isn't really an angle for Crosby, similar to the other play I posted.

Do we really have to spend another four pages running down a single play that resulted in a touchdown? SHEEESH

But we haven't heard whether his big old fellow was hanging more to the left or to the right when he passed. We need all the detail

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Nah. at :14 of that video, McG is beat and Maxx is heading toward BCB on that side. BCB moves away from the pressure as you can see at :15. If he breaks .25 seconds later, this play doesn't happen.

McG is not beat until Purdy drifts backwards changing the angle of Crosby's rush. It's not on the tackle if the QB moves further back like that, because the tackle is protecting the area where he anticipates the QB to be.

Nope. Maxx is moving toward BCB on McGs shoulder when BCB moves. In under .25 seconds, BCB moves away from the man bearing down on him and later makes a huge play. He did not break early at all.

It all happens in under a second (half second) in any event, so even if you think he broke early on this play, we are talking about less than 1/2 a second difference.

If you go to about 15 seconds into the video, Crosby is still inside of McG while Purdy has his back turned to the defense. If Purdy just takes a step up, there isn't really an angle for Crosby, similar to the other play I posted.

Do we really have to spend another four pages running down a single play that resulted in a touchdown? SHEEESH

Is there a rule on things that you are only allowed to talk about and maximum number of posts to do it in an open forum? It is a legit discussion and I do remember scouting reports of this being a criticism of his in college. I don't think he needed to leave the pocket when he did but the right side (both G and T) isn't known for good protection so I get it and it worked out beautifully so But I also agree with you; especially with the ones involved, best to just agree to disagree and move on

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by thl408:
Running around before throwing a pass earns a player more PFF points. I think that's why he did what he did.

Need stills and arrows to confirm.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
he did leave early,, but 69's history was part of the reason.. But i still think he wasn't going to go JJ's ways no matter what

I highly doubt that 69's history is the reason he began rolling to his left.

FWIW, Spencer Burford's PP grade is MUCH lower than Mc's slightly above-average PP rating. So, maybe we should consider #74 as a reason he rolls left instead of our favorite whipping boy.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Brock Purdy baseball mechanics on full display here with the sidearm throw to Kittle.

85 needs to come down with the ball. pic.twitter.com/dnG6IW7ln9

— Christian (@ChristianR_Vill) January 9, 2023

The different arm angles posters have been clamoring for.

BTW, Kittle can't be dropping easy passes like this on Saturday. He has a "tendency" ( ) in the playoffs.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Brock Purdy baseball mechanics on full display here with the sidearm throw to Kittle.

85 needs to come down with the ball. pic.twitter.com/dnG6IW7ln9

— Christian (@ChristianR_Vill) January 9, 2023

The different arm angles posters have been clamoring for.

BTW, Kittle can't be dropping easy passes like this on Saturday. He has a "tendency" ( ) in the playoffs.

Drew Brees ain't doing that this boy is Mahomes

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by cortana49:
Ok, I'm not a great observational fan of QB skills, but I DO have eyes. I read this snippet in an article...

It's never easy playing quarterback in the NFL, but Purdy might as well have the softest landing pad to work with. The 49ers are so good that Purdy's evident limitations (happy feet and poor mechanics, hello!) in the pocket probably won't come back to bite them against the Seahawks.

and was like … really? That's NOT what I see at all. Someone tell me this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. (full article here)

Thanks.

To be more specific, his comment about the "happy feet and poor mechanics" had me doing the Jordan laugh.

I don't think it can be discounted how good of a situation Purdy has been put into with guys like CMC, Deebo (though he's mostly been absent during Purdy's tenure), Kittle, Aiyuk, Kyle's offense etc. He's been helped tremendously by that as any QB would be. That said, I'm not sure what the dude is talking about in terms of Purdy's mechanics or happy feet. They seem at worst fine, and actually seem pretty good. He has a very natural throwing motion and seems comfortable throwing from different arm angles. He does have a tendency to break the pocket too soon, but he is a rookie, so not that surprising.

No he doesn't.

You're right. He's perfect.

Not perfect. He just doesn't have a tendency to break the pocket too soon. Like, at all.

Independent of the result of this play (which was a great throw to Kittle) do you think it was necessary for him to abandon the pocket on this play?

His primary read on the right side was covered and he knew Crosby was going against Mike "swinging gate" McGlinchey, so he bought himself extra time by spinning out to his left. He didn't "abandon" the pocket, he simply moved and reset his base to his left. And threw a touchdown pass. On an absolutely beautiful throw to Kittle.

THIS is your example of "a tendency" to break the pocket to soon? Try again. Maybe get with Random and come up with some pictures with arrows on them.

How are you this hostile over the most innocuous of discussions?

What do think breaking the pocket means if running 5 yards back and leaving the pocket doesn't count? Also, regardless of who is at RT, the play was blocked pretty well, and it shouldn't be encouraged or excused for a QB to anticipate pressure that isn't there.

He saved the play with a great throw that he made unnecessarily more difficult than it had to be. A play can have both good and bad elements to it.

How are you this sensitive over my response? I simply don't agree with you that a QB moving to his left to create space and time for himself, on a throw that ends up being a touchdown pass, is a good example of "a tendency to break the pocket too soon." Surely you have some better examples.

Bottom line is Mahomes, Allen, Burrow do this stuff all the time and end up on Sportscenter Top 10 plays. And you and other Jimmy denigrators said that we should be doing anything possible to get such a QB. Now we finally have one, and you want him to play like a statue in the pocket ala Brady or Roethlisberger (or Jimmy lol)?

Just seems like any excuse to say something negative.

I'm not sensitive over your response, just wondering why there is a need to ramp things up to 11 and start making it personal over a mild criticism. You said he never breaks the pocket early and I posted an example of where I felt he did.

Why are you saying he moved left to create time and space for himself? Why did he need to create it? There was zero pressure in the pocket.

Nothing personal at all, I don't know you. This particular opinion of yours is simply ridiculously bad. I didn't say he never leaves the pocket too soon, every QB makes that mistake now and then. You said he has "a tendency" to do it; I disagree. He stays in the pocket and looks to throw from the pocket. If/when he needs to create extra time to make a play, he does and can. The latter is one of his best strengths, and the play you're citing here is a great example of that.

Try to find at least one good example. And if you want to prove your point that it's a "tendency," then you'll need to find several examples.

You said he didn't have a tendency to break the pocket "at all". How else should I interpret that if not as you saying he doesn't ever break the pocket unnecessarily?

Also, I posted a pretty clear example of him breaking the pocket unnecessarily. He wasn't under any pressure (and likely would not have been under any anytime soon) when he abandoned the pocket, so if it wasn't necessary for him to do it to keep the play alive, it is unnecessary. I don't see the point in posting further examples if you're going to just create a fantasy narrative of each play in order to justify it. Especially since it was just a mild criticism of something that has been noted and talked about by others, including KS, prior to today.

Not having a tendency doesn't mean that it's never done.

Okay, just for fun, let's agree that his spectacular touchdown pass to Kittle was an example of breaking the pocket too soon. Do you have any others? Or is one example enough to prove that it's a "tendency?"

How many examples do I need to pass the subjective threshold of a tendency? I chose that one because it was one that I remembered clearly and could easily find film of it.

He has 170 pass attempts this season. A tendency would be 10%? 5%? 5% is pretty low to call it a tendency, but we'll make it easy. So that's 8. 8 example of Purdy breaking the pocket too soon. Let's do this.

Pay me if you want me to do the legwork on your ridiculous and arbitrary standard to prove a mild critique (mentioned amongst praise in the context of trying to understand where the author of an article was coming from). Not to mention it also appearing on his scouting report and being mentioned by other 49ers analysts. Just a ridiculous attempt to censor all criticism and discussion like you used to do with Jimmy. Only a matter of time before you start accusing people of being in the Purdy Haters Club (if you haven't already).

You asked me how many examples you needed to provide. I answered.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by cortana49:
Ok, I'm not a great observational fan of QB skills, but I DO have eyes. I read this snippet in an article...

It's never easy playing quarterback in the NFL, but Purdy might as well have the softest landing pad to work with. The 49ers are so good that Purdy's evident limitations (happy feet and poor mechanics, hello!) in the pocket probably won't come back to bite them against the Seahawks.

and was like … really? That's NOT what I see at all. Someone tell me this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. (full article here)

Thanks.

To be more specific, his comment about the "happy feet and poor mechanics" had me doing the Jordan laugh.

I don't think it can be discounted how good of a situation Purdy has been put into with guys like CMC, Deebo (though he's mostly been absent during Purdy's tenure), Kittle, Aiyuk, Kyle's offense etc. He's been helped tremendously by that as any QB would be. That said, I'm not sure what the dude is talking about in terms of Purdy's mechanics or happy feet. They seem at worst fine, and actually seem pretty good. He has a very natural throwing motion and seems comfortable throwing from different arm angles. He does have a tendency to break the pocket too soon, but he is a rookie, so not that surprising.

No he doesn't.

You're right. He's perfect.

Not perfect. He just doesn't have a tendency to break the pocket too soon. Like, at all.

Independent of the result of this play (which was a great throw to Kittle) do you think it was necessary for him to abandon the pocket on this play?

His primary read on the right side was covered and he knew Crosby was going against Mike "swinging gate" McGlinchey, so he bought himself extra time by spinning out to his left. He didn't "abandon" the pocket, he simply moved and reset his base to his left. And threw a touchdown pass. On an absolutely beautiful throw to Kittle.

THIS is your example of "a tendency" to break the pocket to soon? Try again. Maybe get with Random and come up with some pictures with arrows on them.

How are you this hostile over the most innocuous of discussions?

What do think breaking the pocket means if running 5 yards back and leaving the pocket doesn't count? Also, regardless of who is at RT, the play was blocked pretty well, and it shouldn't be encouraged or excused for a QB to anticipate pressure that isn't there.

He saved the play with a great throw that he made unnecessarily more difficult than it had to be. A play can have both good and bad elements to it.

How are you this sensitive over my response? I simply don't agree with you that a QB moving to his left to create space and time for himself, on a throw that ends up being a touchdown pass, is a good example of "a tendency to break the pocket too soon." Surely you have some better examples.

Bottom line is Mahomes, Allen, Burrow do this stuff all the time and end up on Sportscenter Top 10 plays. And you and other Jimmy denigrators said that we should be doing anything possible to get such a QB. Now we finally have one, and you want him to play like a statue in the pocket ala Brady or Roethlisberger (or Jimmy lol)?

Just seems like any excuse to say something negative.

I'm not sensitive over your response, just wondering why there is a need to ramp things up to 11 and start making it personal over a mild criticism. You said he never breaks the pocket early and I posted an example of where I felt he did.

Why are you saying he moved left to create time and space for himself? Why did he need to create it? There was zero pressure in the pocket.

Nothing personal at all, I don't know you. This particular opinion of yours is simply ridiculously bad. I didn't say he never leaves the pocket too soon, every QB makes that mistake now and then. You said he has "a tendency" to do it; I disagree. He stays in the pocket and looks to throw from the pocket. If/when he needs to create extra time to make a play, he does and can. The latter is one of his best strengths, and the play you're citing here is a great example of that.

Try to find at least one good example. And if you want to prove your point that it's a "tendency," then you'll need to find several examples.

You said he didn't have a tendency to break the pocket "at all". How else should I interpret that if not as you saying he doesn't ever break the pocket unnecessarily?

Also, I posted a pretty clear example of him breaking the pocket unnecessarily. He wasn't under any pressure (and likely would not have been under any anytime soon) when he abandoned the pocket, so if it wasn't necessary for him to do it to keep the play alive, it is unnecessary. I don't see the point in posting further examples if you're going to just create a fantasy narrative of each play in order to justify it. Especially since it was just a mild criticism of something that has been noted and talked about by others, including KS, prior to today.

Not having a tendency doesn't mean that it's never done.

Okay, just for fun, let's agree that his spectacular touchdown pass to Kittle was an example of breaking the pocket too soon. Do you have any others? Or is one example enough to prove that it's a "tendency?"

How many examples do I need to pass the subjective threshold of a tendency? I chose that one because it was one that I remembered clearly and could easily find film of it.

He has 170 pass attempts this season. A tendency would be 10%? 5%? 5% is pretty low to call it a tendency, but we'll make it easy. So that's 8. 8 example of Purdy breaking the pocket too soon. Let's do this.

Pay me if you want me to do the legwork on your ridiculous and arbitrary standard to prove a mild critique (mentioned amongst praise in the context of trying to understand where the author of an article was coming from). Not to mention it also appearing on his scouting report and being mentioned by other 49ers analysts. Just a ridiculous attempt to censor all criticism and discussion like you used to do with Jimmy. Only a matter of time before you start accusing people of being in the Purdy Haters Club (if you haven't already).

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
he did leave early,, but 69's history was part of the reason.. But i still think he wasn't going to go JJ's ways no matter what

I highly doubt that 69's history is the reason he began rolling to his left.

FWIW, Spencer Burford's PP grade is MUCH lower than Mc's slightly above-average PP rating. So, maybe we should consider #74 as a reason he rolls left instead of our favorite whipping boy.

Purdy instincts felt MM and Crosby get close so he bailed. I don't think Purdy is thinking about what and who Ranks or graded higher/lower

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
he did leave early,, but 69's history was part of the reason.. But i still think he wasn't going to go JJ's ways no matter what

I highly doubt that 69's history is the reason he began rolling to his left.

FWIW, Spencer Burford's PP grade is MUCH lower than Mc's slightly above-average PP rating. So, maybe we should consider #74 as a reason he rolls left instead of our favorite whipping boy.

Purdy instincts felt MM and Crosby get close so he bailed. I don't think Purdy is thinking about what and who Ranks or graded higher/lower

Crosby wasn't really that close in the context of a pocket. It is what it is though.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Brock Purdy baseball mechanics on full display here with the sidearm throw to Kittle.

85 needs to come down with the ball. pic.twitter.com/dnG6IW7ln9

— Christian (@ChristianR_Vill) January 9, 2023

The different arm angles posters have been clamoring for.

BTW, Kittle can't be dropping easy passes like this on Saturday. He has a "tendency" ( ) in the playoffs.