Originally posted by Furlow:
All-22 view of the infamous play where Purdy "bailed from the pocket too soon." Aiyuk and Jennings are the primary read on the right, but they have 3 guys covering them in a bracket. Kittle is one on one with a LB. Purdy knows that Kittle is going to work his way across the back of the end zone, so Purdy moves left to make an easier throw.
I dont know why people care. Lets say that it is a 100% fact that Purdy bailed early. He threw a touchdown pass on that play, so what difference does it make?
And he's a freaking rookie. There's plays you can point out of him missing reads for sure. Kid overall has played well beyond what we all could imagine.
folks in here are obsessed with trying to be right. s**tting on a QB they didn't believe in (for whatever reason) or coming back to some weird Jimmy thinking.
not sure why it's so hard for fans to say Brock is playing pretty damn well AND Lance still has a chance to be damn good all the same? Doesn't have to be one or the other.
100% this. I think what we can ALL agree on is that Jimmy (because of his age and contract demands) is out of this equation. We will be left with the cheapest and one of the best overall QB rooms in the league next season, which will allow us to afford to extend all of our stars. Purdy's emergence is a HUGE development for this team.
Personally, I will eat a good helping of crow because I did not feel that Jimmy was holding the offense back. He clearly was. Now, I think a lot of that has to do with his personality rather than his talent, but the results are clear. Purdy + Kyle >>>> Jimmy+Kyle. For whatever reason, Jimmy+Kyle just couldn't quite get over the hump, and I don't just mean the Super Bowl. They just didn't have that "magic" that it takes for sustained success. Purdy+Kyle has that magic quality to them.
Originally posted by Furlow:
All-22 view of the infamous play where Purdy "bailed from the pocket too soon." Aiyuk and Jennings are the primary read on the right, but they have 3 guys covering them in a bracket. Kittle is one on one with a LB. Purdy knows that Kittle is going to work his way across the back of the end zone, so Purdy moves left to make an easier throw.
I dont know why people care. Lets say that it is a 100% fact that Purdy bailed early. He threw a touchdown pass on that play, so what difference does it make?
It doesn't unless you're insistent that he never bails early.
Do you have any other examples of him "bailing early?"
Please no.
Please please no.
SWH, this was hashed and rehashed for pages already. I can summarize it this way: Ring and Random fall into the "tendency" to have happy feet / bail early group. This is based, in part, on a college video of a single play, the play above, and comments from a talking head. Others may agree with them.
Furlow, myself, Vinis, and others fall into the "no tendency, and if it is it is not detrimental" group. That is based on watching games and the track record of success. Others may agree with this group.
Suffice it to say that the groups will not see eye to eye.
Sorry. I am late to the conversation.
You didn't miss much yesterday. I tried to get just a few more examples of Purdy leaving the pocket too early but ended up just arguing about the definitions of words.
Originally posted by Furlow:
All-22 view of the infamous play where Purdy "bailed from the pocket too soon." Aiyuk and Jennings are the primary read on the right, but they have 3 guys covering them in a bracket. Kittle is one on one with a LB. Purdy knows that Kittle is going to work his way across the back of the end zone, so Purdy moves left to make an easier throw.
I dont know why people care. Lets say that it is a 100% fact that Purdy bailed early. He threw a touchdown pass on that play, so what difference does it make?
It doesn't unless you're insistent that he never bails early.
Do you have any other examples of him "bailing early?"
Off the top of my head, there are at least two other examples from the Dolphins game where he bailed out unnecessarily instead of stepping up in the pocket. One was early in the 3rd quarter (I believe) where he bails after early pressure spooks him despite the rusher getting blocked past him, resulting him missing a wide-open Aiyuk. The other where instead of stepping up, he tries the spin like he does in the Raiders game and goes right into a d-lineman. Considering the limited amount of snaps he's had where the circumstances for him to bail out even exist, it seemed notable, since it was also mentioned as a weakness on a lot of his pre-draft scouting reports. Now, keep in mind that the conversation started because I mentioned that he had a tendency to sometimes bail early - while also praising his mechanics and processing - for why some NFL analyst said he had happy feet (which I disagreed with). It's a mountain out of a molehill, but some people here can't even let the most mild of criticisms go without literally demanding that I spend hours clipping the All-22 for them (which I don't have).
[ Edited by 49ersRing on Jan 11, 2023 at 3:13 PM ]
Originally posted by Furlow:
All-22 view of the infamous play where Purdy "bailed from the pocket too soon." Aiyuk and Jennings are the primary read on the right, but they have 3 guys covering them in a bracket. Kittle is one on one with a LB. Purdy knows that Kittle is going to work his way across the back of the end zone, so Purdy moves left to make an easier throw.
I dont know why people care. Lets say that it is a 100% fact that Purdy bailed early. He threw a touchdown pass on that play, so what difference does it make?
And he's a freaking rookie. There's plays you can point out of him missing reads for sure. Kid overall has played well beyond what we all could imagine.
folks in here are obsessed with trying to be right. s**tting on a QB they didn't believe in (for whatever reason) or coming back to some weird Jimmy thinking.
not sure why it's so hard for fans to say Brock is playing pretty damn well AND Lance still has a chance to be damn good all the same? Doesn't have to be one or the other.
100% this. I think what we can ALL agree on is that Jimmy (because of his age and contract demands) is out of this equation. We will be left with the cheapest and one of the best overall QB rooms in the league next season, which will allow us to afford to extend all of our stars. Purdy's emergence is a HUGE development for this team.
Personally, I will eat a good helping of crow because I did not feel that Jimmy was holding the offense back. He clearly was. Now, I think a lot of that has to do with his personality rather than his talent, but the results are clear. Purdy + Kyle >>>> Jimmy+Kyle. For whatever reason, Jimmy+Kyle just couldn't quite get over the hump, and I don't just mean the Super Bowl. They just didn't have that "magic" that it takes for sustained success. Purdy+Kyle has that magic quality to them.
So… you're saying you would trade Jimmy g for 3 first round picks now? JK.
In all seriousness, what do you mean by "a lot of that has to do with his personality rather than his talent" in regards to Jimmy vs Purdy?
Originally posted by Furlow:
All-22 view of the infamous play where Purdy "bailed from the pocket too soon." Aiyuk and Jennings are the primary read on the right, but they have 3 guys covering them in a bracket. Kittle is one on one with a LB. Purdy knows that Kittle is going to work his way across the back of the end zone, so Purdy moves left to make an easier throw.
I dont know why people care. Lets say that it is a 100% fact that Purdy bailed early. He threw a touchdown pass on that play, so what difference does it make?
It doesn't unless you're insistent that he never bails early.
Do you have any other examples of him "bailing early?"
Please no.
Please please no.
SWH, this was hashed and rehashed for pages already. I can summarize it this way: Ring and Random fall into the "tendency" to have happy feet / bail early group. This is based, in part, on a college video of a single play, the play above, and comments from a talking head. Others may agree with them.
Furlow, myself, Vinis, and others fall into the "no tendency, and if it is it is not detrimental" group. That is based on watching games and the track record of success. Others may agree with this group.
Suffice it to say that the groups will not see eye to eye.
Originally posted by Furlow:
All-22 view of the infamous play where Purdy "bailed from the pocket too soon." Aiyuk and Jennings are the primary read on the right, but they have 3 guys covering them in a bracket. Kittle is one on one with a LB. Purdy knows that Kittle is going to work his way across the back of the end zone, so Purdy moves left to make an easier throw.
I dont know why people care. Lets say that it is a 100% fact that Purdy bailed early. He threw a touchdown pass on that play, so what difference does it make?
It doesn't unless you're insistent that he never bails early.
Do you have any other examples of him "bailing early?"
Please no.
Please please no.
SWH, this was hashed and rehashed for pages already. I can summarize it this way: Ring and Random fall into the "tendency" to have happy feet / bail early group. This is based, in part, on a college video of a single play, the play above, and comments from a talking head. Others may agree with them.
Furlow, myself, Vinis, and others fall into the "no tendency, and if it is it is not detrimental" group. That is based on watching games and the track record of success. Others may agree with this group.
Suffice it to say that the groups will not see eye to eye.
it's also the question that brought about the claim that he's being censored when he couldn't deliver examples
Originally posted by Furlow:
All-22 view of the infamous play where Purdy "bailed from the pocket too soon." Aiyuk and Jennings are the primary read on the right, but they have 3 guys covering them in a bracket. Kittle is one on one with a LB. Purdy knows that Kittle is going to work his way across the back of the end zone, so Purdy moves left to make an easier throw.
I dont know why people care. Lets say that it is a 100% fact that Purdy bailed early. He threw a touchdown pass on that play, so what difference does it make?
And he's a freaking rookie. There's plays you can point out of him missing reads for sure. Kid overall has played well beyond what we all could imagine.
folks in here are obsessed with trying to be right. s**tting on a QB they didn't believe in (for whatever reason) or coming back to some weird Jimmy thinking.
not sure why it's so hard for fans to say Brock is playing pretty damn well AND Lance still has a chance to be damn good all the same? Doesn't have to be one or the other.
100% this. I think what we can ALL agree on is that Jimmy (because of his age and contract demands) is out of this equation. We will be left with the cheapest and one of the best overall QB rooms in the league next season, which will allow us to afford to extend all of our stars. Purdy's emergence is a HUGE development for this team.
Personally, I will eat a good helping of crow because I did not feel that Jimmy was holding the offense back. He clearly was. Now, I think a lot of that has to do with his personality rather than his talent, but the results are clear. Purdy + Kyle >>>> Jimmy+Kyle. For whatever reason, Jimmy+Kyle just couldn't quite get over the hump, and I don't just mean the Super Bowl. They just didn't have that "magic" that it takes for sustained success. Purdy+Kyle has that magic quality to them.
So… you're saying you would trade Jimmy g for 3 first round picks now? JK.
In all seriousness, what do you mean by "a lot of that has to do with his personality rather than his talent" in regards to Jimmy vs Purdy?
Ha, good one.
What I mean is success in the NFL is dependent upon the QB and head coach "meshing." If one dominates the other, that is bad. Kyle has until now completely dominated every QB who has played for him. Jimmy is simply too nice, and altered his game to fit what he felt Kyle wanted. Until this season of course, where you could clearly see (and hear in his comments) him saying "F this, I'm gonna sling it." And what do you know, we got some of his best football yet.
The problem with Jimmy is that when the play breaks down, he does not know how to improvise very well. His ACL injury made that even worse as his mobility went to s**t. So his WTF moments made Kyle not trust him as much as Kyle wanted to. I think every good head coach/play caller WANTS to be aggressive, go for the win vs. playing it safe, etc. But they also don't want to get fired, so self-preservation usually wins out.
Insert Purdy. The kid just has all the confidence in the world in himself. He understands when to stay within the play structure and when to say "F this I'm gonna go sling it." He does not let Kyle dominate him. Example of that is the TD throw to Kittle against the Raiders where he spun left to buy time. Lynch said that Kyle gave Purdy "a look" because that's not how he designed the play. Purdy gave Kyle his "ice in his veins" gesture. Kyle laughed. His QB basically told him to sit down and relax, "I got this, coach." Video of those comments here:
He also also has ELITE burst (1.55 10 yard split is elite for a RB let alone a QB) which allows him to escape and buy time. And not just to make plays; he also uses that burst to throw the ball away, scramble for a couple of yards, avoid negative plays, etc. Kyle sees this and knows that Purdy "gets it."
So what I've been looking for and noticing, is for Kyle to let Purdy throw in situations where he normally would call a run/safe play. Late in games, in the red zone, etc. - Kyle (with Jimmy) was known for the "safe play." Running the ball, screen passes, etc. The epitome of this was against the Commanders. Up 10 with 3 minutes to go, 4th and 3 at the Commanders 11 yard line. Imagine Jimmy is the QB. YOU KNOW that Kyle is kicking that field goal to go up 13. But that's not what he did, he went for the win. Advanced metrics say to go for it there, don't let the opponent get the ball back. He actually let Purdy drop straight back and throw a pass over the middle to Kittle for 10 yards. First and goal. Next play McCaffrey ran it in for a TD. Up 17, ball game. Video of it here, 1:10:
That moment right there sealed it for me, because it meant that Kyle had "his guy." Someone he could trust to not just understand the playbook and make good throws; he had a guy who would protect him and not embarrass him if a play that he called did not go as planned.
Kyle+Purdy is magic. In my opinion very capable of going to the HOF together with multiple championships. Of course A LOT has to go right for that to happen and unfold, but they have what is the most elusive part of NFL football to find.
Kyle+Purdy is magic. In my opinion very capable of going to the HOF together with multiple championships. Of course A LOT has to go right for that to happen and unfold, but they have what is the most elusive part of NFL football to find.
Yeah maybe the perfect mix is someone who runs Kyle's system perfectly, but just add a dash of mobility and improv.
I will say though, Purdy is insanely accurate, never misses high. That's a credit to him and really nothing to do with Kyle.
Kyle+Purdy is magic. In my opinion very capable of going to the HOF together with multiple championships. Of course A LOT has to go right for that to happen and unfold, but they have what is the most elusive part of NFL football to find.
Yeah maybe the perfect mix is someone who runs Kyle's system perfectly, but just add a dash of mobility and improv.
I will say though, Purdy is insanely accurate, never misses high. That's a credit to him and really nothing to do with Kyle.
Originally posted by Furlow:
All-22 view of the infamous play where Purdy "bailed from the pocket too soon." Aiyuk and Jennings are the primary read on the right, but they have 3 guys covering them in a bracket. Kittle is one on one with a LB. Purdy knows that Kittle is going to work his way across the back of the end zone, so Purdy moves left to make an easier throw.
Jennings is wide open and was supposed to be option 1, Kyle didn't like the bailout in postgame interviews
Jennings is not wide open. The CB does not follow Aiyuk, he sits in the flat. He could absolutely make that play on Jennings. Purdy sees the CB squat and also sees the LB inside and the safety over the top of Aiyuk. Could he have held on a little longer? Perhaps. But #69 gonna #69.
just relaying what Kyle thought and expected.. If Purdy stepped up, JJ was wide open. but he bailed and also made up for it.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
b******t, you know you said that in the Game day. If I didn't have a life I'd go back and flip through all those threads and pages.
'Might be time to see what Josh Johnson has. He was a decent QB when he was back at SD state'
I'm guessing this was what you were referring to. Shortly after this post, Purdy hit Kittle down the middle for a TD pass (which was intended for McCloud). Ring's first response was to sarcastically note the wobble on the pass, lol. Motivation clear as day.
Originally posted by Furlow:
All-22 view of the infamous play where Purdy "bailed from the pocket too soon." Aiyuk and Jennings are the primary read on the right, but they have 3 guys covering them in a bracket. Kittle is one on one with a LB. Purdy knows that Kittle is going to work his way across the back of the end zone, so Purdy moves left to make an easier throw.
Jennings is wide open and was supposed to be option 1, Kyle didn't like the bailout in postgame interviews
Jennings is not wide open. The CB does not follow Aiyuk, he sits in the flat. He could absolutely make that play on Jennings. Purdy sees the CB squat and also sees the LB inside and the safety over the top of Aiyuk. Could he have held on a little longer? Perhaps. But #69 gonna #69.
just relaying what Kyle thought and expected.. If Purdy stepped up, JJ was wide open. but he bailed and also made up for it.
Again, JJ was not wide open. The CB squatted in the flat which is where JJ was going. Do you understand what it means for a CB to squat in the flat? Plus add the LB to the inside. Plus add Crosby dominating McG as he was doing all game. That pass would have been infinitely more difficult than the throw to Kittle.
But proceed to continue criticizing Purdy on a play that ended up being amazing. I swear you, Ring, and random would probably have gotten mad at Montana for throwing it to Dwight Clark instead of Freddie Solomon in the '81 NFCCG against Dallas lol.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
b******t, you know you said that in the Game day. If I didn't have a life I'd go back and flip through all those threads and pages.
'Might be time to see what Josh Johnson has. He was a decent QB when he was back at SD state'
I'm guessing this was what you were referring to. Shortly after this post, Purdy hit Kittle down the middle for a TD pass (which was intended for McCloud). Ring's first response was to sarcastically note the wobble on the pass, lol. Motivation clear as day.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
b******t, you know you said that in the Game day. If I didn't have a life I'd go back and flip through all those threads and pages.
'Might be time to see what Josh Johnson has. He was a decent QB when he was back at SD state'
I'm guessing this was what you were referring to. Shortly after this post, Purdy hit Kittle down the middle for a TD pass (which was intended for McCloud). Ring's first response was to sarcastically note the wobble on the pass, lol. Motivation clear as day.
A well spent two hours of your time to locate a post in a game day thread. The wobble comment being a reference to Furlow's months long deranged obsession with pass wobble this last offseason.
Originally posted by Furlow:
All-22 view of the infamous play where Purdy "bailed from the pocket too soon." Aiyuk and Jennings are the primary read on the right, but they have 3 guys covering them in a bracket. Kittle is one on one with a LB. Purdy knows that Kittle is going to work his way across the back of the end zone, so Purdy moves left to make an easier throw.
I dont know why people care. Lets say that it is a 100% fact that Purdy bailed early. He threw a touchdown pass on that play, so what difference does it make?
It doesn't unless you're insistent that he never bails early.
Do you have any other examples of him "bailing early?"
Please no.
Please please no.
SWH, this was hashed and rehashed for pages already. I can summarize it this way: Ring and Random fall into the "tendency" to have happy feet / bail early group. This is based, in part, on a college video of a single play, the play above, and comments from a talking head. Others may agree with them.
Furlow, myself, Vinis, and others fall into the "no tendency, and if it is it is not detrimental" group. That is based on watching games and the track record of success. Others may agree with this group.
Suffice it to say that the groups will not see eye to eye.
JK.
The wobble comment being a reference to Furlow's months long deranged obsession with pass wobble this last offseason.