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Jan 12, 2023 at 11:28 AM
  • thl408
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Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by boast:

Nice. We already know he understands zone, and we've seen him not get rattled with a free rusher barreling down on him as he throws. I think the only thing that might stump him is exotic presnap disguises which he is seeing for the first time since he's a rookie starter. I think CMC and Kittle has been great options versus man coverage.

I'm of the opinion that Zone coverage is a stronger bet against the 49ers---given the propensity for YAC, teams need to keep our pass-catchers in front of them, so zone coverages work better to ensure they have tacklers. Sure, maybe a team could feel confident in man coverage against Deebo/Aiyuk, but if they catch it and break one tackle, it could be off to the races.

And then Kittle, CMC, Juice, particularly... those three in man coverages against linebackers would feast... I can't think of a defense that has the cover linebackers that could go against them... maybe just our own defense.

I agree with your points about playing man and possibly giving up more YAC. I think against a QB that shows no glaring weakness when it comes to man versus zone coverage is to throw variety at the QB. Zone, man, blitz, drop 8, disguise, don't disguise, all of it. It's crazy to think it's hard to confuse a rookie QB, but Brock has yet to show he struggles against any one particular thing.

This coming from thl408 made me feel much more confident Purdy won't get figured out by DC once there are more film.

It'll be interesting to see how SEA gameplans after having seen Brock already. The other part is how the SF offense simply "out talents" the SEA defense. So even if SEA comes with a good gameplan, SF's gameplan can simply be, 'get the ball to CMC/Kittle/Deebo', and that's a better plan than anything SEA can come up with.
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:29 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Midbay:
If all the rookies were thrown back into a pool and a draft was held today, where would Purdy go?

To Pittsburgh haha

I probably should have asked when he would go. Do you think he would make it to the 20th pick?
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by boast:

Nice. We already know he understands zone, and we've seen him not get rattled with a free rusher barreling down on him as he throws. I think the only thing that might stump him is exotic presnap disguises which he is seeing for the first time since he's a rookie starter. I think CMC and Kittle has been great options versus man coverage.

I'm of the opinion that Zone coverage is a stronger bet against the 49ers---given the propensity for YAC, teams need to keep our pass-catchers in front of them, so zone coverages work better to ensure they have tacklers. Sure, maybe a team could feel confident in man coverage against Deebo/Aiyuk, but if they catch it and break one tackle, it could be off to the races.

And then Kittle, CMC, Juice, particularly... those three in man coverages against linebackers would feast... I can't think of a defense that has the cover linebackers that could go against them... maybe just our own defense.

I agree with your points about playing man and possibly giving up more YAC. I think against a QB that shows no glaring weakness when it comes to man versus zone coverage is to throw variety at the QB. Zone, man, blitz, drop 8, disguise, don't disguise, all of it. It's crazy to think it's hard to confuse a rookie QB, but Brock has yet to show he struggles against any one particular thing.

Agree 💯%, and I'll just add that its tough to play man against a QB that has such a powerful ground game. Usually you play zone in the back and the front seven read and react. That makes Brock's job easier to read the defense on pass plays.

It's incredible that he is understands what is going on well enough to not make mistakes even when he reads the defense wrong - dolphins changed their whole game plan against him and he adjusted. His football IQ is special. I'm hoping his calmness and poise continue, I don't see a reason why he wouldn't!

very excited for this young man and the potential he brings to our franchise going forward! Let's go!
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by boast:

Nice. We already know he understands zone, and we've seen him not get rattled with a free rusher barreling down on him as he throws. I think the only thing that might stump him is exotic presnap disguises which he is seeing for the first time since he's a rookie starter. I think CMC and Kittle has been great options versus man coverage.

I'm of the opinion that Zone coverage is a stronger bet against the 49ers---given the propensity for YAC, teams need to keep our pass-catchers in front of them, so zone coverages work better to ensure they have tacklers. Sure, maybe a team could feel confident in man coverage against Deebo/Aiyuk, but if they catch it and break one tackle, it could be off to the races.

And then Kittle, CMC, Juice, particularly... those three in man coverages against linebackers would feast... I can't think of a defense that has the cover linebackers that could go against them... maybe just our own defense.

I agree with your points about playing man and possibly giving up more YAC. I think against a QB that shows no glaring weakness when it comes to man versus zone coverage is to throw variety at the QB. Zone, man, blitz, drop 8, disguise, don't disguise, all of it. It's crazy to think it's hard to confuse a rookie QB, but Brock has yet to show he struggles against any one particular thing.

Agree 💯%, and I'll just add that its tough to play man against a QB that has such a powerful ground game. Usually you play zone in the back and the front seven read and react. That makes Brock's job easier to read the defense on pass plays.

Yeah, Purdy hasn't shown any glaring issues in my opinion, so we should just see a mix-up of various coverages and blitzes. But I think at this point, I think defensive coordinators will be approaching it as just having to match wits with Shanahan, rather than attacking a rookie. Sure, Shanahan is definitely helping Purdy, but it doesn't feel like Purdy has training wheels on either.

One thing I would consider if I was a defensive coordinator---contain with the pass rush. It would seem like Purdy has his tendency to spin out and then scramble outside of the pocket to try and extend the play. He's very good at it, and I think that's one thing that surprised defenses since he started. Largely, he's been very good about it, but against the Cardinals, J.J. Watt's pressure and Isaiah Simmons' closing speed resulted in a 17 yard loss on a sack. That's maybe something I'd be on the lookout for.
[ Edited by Wubbie on Jan 12, 2023 at 11:32 AM ]
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Midbay:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Midbay:
If all the rookies were thrown back into a pool and a draft was held today, where would Purdy go?

To Pittsburgh haha

I probably should have asked when he would go. Do you think he would make it to the 20th pick?

Knowing what we know today, I think it's highly unlikely he ever makes it past the Seahawks at 9. No way they pass up on him.

POSSIBLY the falcons, Giants, or Texans could of taken him because of their needs.
i know Daniels is playing solid but no where near Purdys level.

i def don't think he makes it out of top 10, that would blow my mind.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Jan 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM ]
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, Purdy hasn't shown any glaring issues in my opinion, so we should just see a mix-up of various coverages and blitzes. But I think at this point, I think defensive coordinators will be approaching it as just having to match wits with Shanahan, rather than attacking a rookie. Sure, Shanahan is definitely helping Purdy, but it doesn't feel like Purdy has training wheels on either.

One thing I would consider if I was a defensive coordinator---contain with the pass rush. It would seem like Purdy has his tendency to spin out and then scramble outside of the pocket to try and extend the play. He's very good at it, and I think that's one thing that surprised defenses since he started. Largely, he's been very good about it, but against the Cardinals, J.J. Watt's pressure and Isaiah Simmons' closing speed resulted in a 17 yard loss on a sack. That's maybe something I'd be on the lookout for.

Yeah, I get what you're saying but there aren't many JJ Watts in this league (we have one of them) and Simmons runs like a legitimate 4.3-4.4

idk who left would have a tandem like that - but the idea of containing the edge might provide problems for him initially but he is a great pocket passer Tioo
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
kinda worried that seattle might defend better against brock after seeing him before. brock hasnt played the same team twice yet

Purdy also has another chance to attack a defense he helped defeat with a torn oblique and busted rib.
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:42 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, Purdy hasn't shown any glaring issues in my opinion, so we should just see a mix-up of various coverages and blitzes. But I think at this point, I think defensive coordinators will be approaching it as just having to match wits with Shanahan, rather than attacking a rookie. Sure, Shanahan is definitely helping Purdy, but it doesn't feel like Purdy has training wheels on either.

One thing I would consider if I was a defensive coordinator---contain with the pass rush. It would seem like Purdy has his tendency to spin out and then scramble outside of the pocket to try and extend the play. He's very good at it, and I think that's one thing that surprised defenses since he started. Largely, he's been very good about it, but against the Cardinals, J.J. Watt's pressure and Isaiah Simmons' closing speed resulted in a 17 yard loss on a sack. That's maybe something I'd be on the lookout for.

Yeah, I get what you're saying but there aren't many JJ Watts in this league (we have one of them) and Simmons runs like a legitimate 4.3-4.4

idk who left would have a tandem like that - but the idea of containing the edge might provide problems for him initially but he is a great pocket passer Tioo

Not so much the Seahawks, because they don't scare me... But beyond them, we should only expect to play good defenses... It may not look like J.J. Watt and Isaiah Simmons, per se... But there's the Cowboys and Eagles, off the top of my head, who can pose their own problems and attack in their own ways.

But it's just an observation of a tendency, not so much a glaring weakness---Because for the most part, it's been a GOOD thing that Purdy has done so. I was just noting one occasion when it turned out bad. When Purdy senses pressure, or his internal clock says he's out of time... he spins out and scrambles, and it feels like quite often to his left. Maybe a defense contains that and Purdy has to find a different way to move around. And Purdy needs to be better about recognizing the closing speed of a defender and just throw it away (which I think he will be. It seems like the Simmons sack got him an earful from Shanahan)
[ Edited by Wubbie on Jan 12, 2023 at 11:50 AM ]
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:46 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Midbay:

I probably should have asked when he would go. Do you think he would make it to the 20th pick?

Knowing what we know today, I think it's highly unlikely he ever makes it past the Seahawks at 9. No way they pass up on him.

POSSIBLY the falcons, Giants, or Texans could of taken him because of their needs.
i know Daniels is playing solid but no where near Purdys level.

i def don't think he makes it out of top 10, that would blow my mind.

I feel the same way but have been trying to be objective and question if it might just be homerism, a uniquely good match with Shannahan, or luck. A QB has to have a significant skill set to be a good match for Shannahan though so I tend to think he would go really high also.
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Not so much the Seahawks, because they don't scare me... But beyond them, we should only expect to play good defenses... It may not look like J.J. Watt and Isaiah Simmons, per se... But there's the Cowboys and Eagles, off the top of my head, who can pose their own problems and attack in their own ways.

But it's just an observation of a tendency, not so much a glaring weakness---Because for the most part, it's been a GOOD thing that Purdy has done so. I was just noting one occasion when it turned out bad. When Purdy senses pressure, or his internal clock says he's out of time... he spins out and scrambles, and it feels like quite often to his left. Maybe a defense contains that and Purdy has to find a different way to move around.

Yeah, eagles and cowboys will pose some
Problems but we will give them hell too.
if we played the cowboys, would parsons be lined up against McG? That would worry me some. He's improved this year but I could see parsons speed being a serious issue for McG.

let's just hope we stay healthy and beat the brakes off everyone!
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:52 AM
Originally posted by Midbay:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Midbay:
If all the rookies were thrown back into a pool and a draft was held today, where would Purdy go?

To Pittsburgh haha

I probably should have asked when he would go. Do you think he would make it to the 20th pick?

In hindsight he would be a top 5 pick. Some teams might be willing to trade up to grab him, perhaps offer something like three 1sts and one 3rd.
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:52 AM
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:53 AM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by boast:

Nice. We already know he understands zone, and we've seen him not get rattled with a free rusher barreling down on him as he throws. I think the only thing that might stump him is exotic presnap disguises which he is seeing for the first time since he's a rookie starter. I think CMC and Kittle has been great options versus man coverage.

I'm of the opinion that Zone coverage is a stronger bet against the 49ers---given the propensity for YAC, teams need to keep our pass-catchers in front of them, so zone coverages work better to ensure they have tacklers. Sure, maybe a team could feel confident in man coverage against Deebo/Aiyuk, but if they catch it and break one tackle, it could be off to the races.

And then Kittle, CMC, Juice, particularly... those three in man coverages against linebackers would feast... I can't think of a defense that has the cover linebackers that could go against them... maybe just our own defense.

I agree with your points about playing man and possibly giving up more YAC. I think against a QB that shows no glaring weakness when it comes to man versus zone coverage is to throw variety at the QB. Zone, man, blitz, drop 8, disguise, don't disguise, all of it. It's crazy to think it's hard to confuse a rookie QB, but Brock has yet to show he struggles against any one particular thing.

This coming from thl408 made me feel much more confident Purdy won't get figured out by DC once there are more film.

It'll be interesting to see how SEA gameplans after having seen Brock already. The other part is how the SF offense simply "out talents" the SEA defense. So even if SEA comes with a good gameplan, SF's gameplan can simply be, 'get the ball to CMC/Kittle/Deebo', and that's a better plan than anything SEA can come up with.

Can't wait to see how Purdy plays in the playoffs.
Jan 12, 2023 at 12:00 PM
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by boast:

Nice. We already know he understands zone, and we've seen him not get rattled with a free rusher barreling down on him as he throws. I think the only thing that might stump him is exotic presnap disguises which he is seeing for the first time since he's a rookie starter. I think CMC and Kittle has been great options versus man coverage.

I'm of the opinion that Zone coverage is a stronger bet against the 49ers---given the propensity for YAC, teams need to keep our pass-catchers in front of them, so zone coverages work better to ensure they have tacklers. Sure, maybe a team could feel confident in man coverage against Deebo/Aiyuk, but if they catch it and break one tackle, it could be off to the races.

And then Kittle, CMC, Juice, particularly... those three in man coverages against linebackers would feast... I can't think of a defense that has the cover linebackers that could go against them... maybe just our own defense.

I agree with your points about playing man and possibly giving up more YAC. I think against a QB that shows no glaring weakness when it comes to man versus zone coverage is to throw variety at the QB. Zone, man, blitz, drop 8, disguise, don't disguise, all of it. It's crazy to think it's hard to confuse a rookie QB, but Brock has yet to show he struggles against any one particular thing.

This coming from thl408 made me feel much more confident Purdy won't get figured out by DC once there are more film.

It'll be interesting to see how SEA gameplans after having seen Brock already. The other part is how the SF offense simply "out talents" the SEA defense. So even if SEA comes with a good gameplan, SF's gameplan can simply be, 'get the ball to CMC/Kittle/Deebo', and that's a better plan than anything SEA can come up with.

Can't wait to see how Purdy plays in the playoffs.

Yep. As much as I do think that Jimmy was hampered by injuries last year, and our 2019 run game was so dominant that we didn't even need him in two playoff games, at the end of the day... we needed minimal production from the QB position to win playoff games in the past.

Defensively, I think our pass rush was stronger last year, but our pass coverage is better this year... and Demeco Ryans has another year of playcalling experience under his belt. But offensively, this is the best cast of playmakers we've had in the Shanahan era.

With all the talent around him, and healthy himself, Brock Purdy has a really good opportunity to not only just win a playoff game... but I could totally see him winning games in style.
Jan 12, 2023 at 12:03 PM
  • thl408
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Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by boast:

Nice. We already know he understands zone, and we've seen him not get rattled with a free rusher barreling down on him as he throws. I think the only thing that might stump him is exotic presnap disguises which he is seeing for the first time since he's a rookie starter. I think CMC and Kittle has been great options versus man coverage.

I'm of the opinion that Zone coverage is a stronger bet against the 49ers---given the propensity for YAC, teams need to keep our pass-catchers in front of them, so zone coverages work better to ensure they have tacklers. Sure, maybe a team could feel confident in man coverage against Deebo/Aiyuk, but if they catch it and break one tackle, it could be off to the races.

And then Kittle, CMC, Juice, particularly... those three in man coverages against linebackers would feast... I can't think of a defense that has the cover linebackers that could go against them... maybe just our own defense.

I agree with your points about playing man and possibly giving up more YAC. I think against a QB that shows no glaring weakness when it comes to man versus zone coverage is to throw variety at the QB. Zone, man, blitz, drop 8, disguise, don't disguise, all of it. It's crazy to think it's hard to confuse a rookie QB, but Brock has yet to show he struggles against any one particular thing.

Agree 💯%, and I'll just add that its tough to play man against a QB that has such a powerful ground game. Usually you play zone in the back and the front seven read and react. That makes Brock's job easier to read the defense on pass plays.

Yeah, Purdy hasn't shown any glaring issues in my opinion, so we should just see a mix-up of various coverages and blitzes. But I think at this point, I think defensive coordinators will be approaching it as just having to match wits with Shanahan, rather than attacking a rookie. Sure, Shanahan is definitely helping Purdy, but it doesn't feel like Purdy has training wheels on either.

One thing I would consider if I was a defensive coordinator---contain with the pass rush. It would seem like Purdy has his tendency to spin out and then scramble outside of the pocket to try and extend the play. He's very good at it, and I think that's one thing that surprised defenses since he started. Largely, he's been very good about it, but against the Cardinals, J.J. Watt's pressure and Isaiah Simmons' closing speed resulted in a 17 yard loss on a sack. That's maybe something I'd be on the lookout for.

It should help greatly that his first playoff game is at home. I wouldn't mind if Brock came out conservative to start the game, see how the game flows while not feeling like he has to overextend himself. It's up to Kyle to get Brock comfortable first before asking Brock to make big plays. It's Geno that has to make big plays for SEA to have a chance.
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