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Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by boast:
because of the CBA, there's just not a lot of reps to waste in camp and preseason for what in essence would be a search for a starting QB. if Brock wins the Super Bowl, i'd think that question would be already answered.

IF he wins the Super Bowl. IF.

That's still three more wins and likely one against KC that already destroyed us this year. And prob one in Philly in hostile territory vs a legit squad.

But yes if he does that sure I'd agree. And I hope he does. And I think he can.

If he wins it in the fashion he played with the 2nd half, I think he'd surely have stated his case to Shanny as to why he should attach his career to him.

If he wins it in the fashion he played with in the 1st half,....then, meh. Shany's gonna do whatever he'd already wanted to do.

@ the end of the day, context matters. Not simply "win" or "lose",...but how you played from an evaluation standpoint.

Im good with whatever Shanahan wants. Just happy the peeps in here aren't making that decision.

I prefer to enjoy and stay in the great moment, and leave decisions that can not reasonably be made now work themselves out as more information is available and at the appropriate time. Just me, but this is historic.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
He seems to have developed a tendency to escape left out of the pocket when pressured. It showed up a lot Saturday. Is this something that teams will notice and try to gamelan for? Anything to be worried about here?

He escaped right on the Mitch TD pass and on the near BA TD pass he escaped I think left first then right on that one.. no imo. He's turns to a diamond under pressure.

Hmmm, I thought he went left first, then back to the right on both of those plays.

Last game, Purdy was pressured 25% of his drop backs. He is as def rolling out the back a lot on his left, I think teams are banking on that now.

i expect that Kyle and Griese will coach him up because quite a few of those - he should of stepped up in the pocket (at least from what I could see).

this isn't a slight at JG but I really think there is a good chance we lose if he was playing - he would of been sacked numerous times.

Quite potentially. Though JG was more mobile in the pocket plus throwing deeper balls this year. But Purdy is even more mobile, slippery and throwing a lot more and accurately on the run. I could not see JG doing what Purdy did on that Aiyuk drop in the endzone, not even close.
Originally posted by Goatie:
I could not see JG doing what Purdy did on that Aiyuk drop in the endzone, not even close.

He's been a long-needed upgrade. Certainly.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Goatie:
I could not see JG doing what Purdy did on that Aiyuk drop in the endzone, not even close.

He's been a long-needed upgrade. Certainly.

That's a Russell Wilson in his prime play. Just incredible creating off schedule play. That was an elite play. Aiyuk definitely should have caught it. If he did it would be legendary. But it was a dime after a lot of scrambling around and juking guys off schedule. He created something out of nothing. Which is hard to do.
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
He seems to have developed a tendency to escape left out of the pocket when pressured. It showed up a lot Saturday. Is this something that teams will notice and try to gamelan for? Anything to be worried about here?

He escaped right on the Mitch TD pass and on the near BA TD pass he escaped I think left first then right on that one.. no imo. He's turns to a diamond under pressure.

Hmmm, I thought he went left first, then back to the right on both of those plays.

Last game, Purdy was pressured 25% of his drop backs. He is as def rolling out the back a lot on his left, I think teams are banking on that now.

i expect that Kyle and Griese will coach him up because quite a few of those - he should of stepped up in the pocket (at least from what I could see).

this isn't a slight at JG but I really think there is a good chance we lose if he was playing - he would of been sacked numerous times.

Quite potentially. Though JG was more mobile in the pocket plus throwing deeper balls this year. But Purdy is even more mobile, slippery and throwing a lot more and accurately on the run. I could not see JG doing what Purdy did on that Aiyuk drop in the endzone, not even close.

If Jimmy did things like That - I don't think any of us would of wanted to move off him. At least I know I wouldn't
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Goatie:
I could not see JG doing what Purdy did on that Aiyuk drop in the endzone, not even close.

He's been a long-needed upgrade. Certainly.

Long as in, since 1998. Lol
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Idk about you guys but I've been smiling from ear to ear all day. This kid is exactly what this offense needed. 4… nearly 5 touchdowns in his first postseason start. He creates, he targets downfield, he can escape the pocket, he protects the footbal… he does it all. Our future is incredibly bright.

So no "open competition" with Lance next year for you?

When people were saying that a Jimmy G Super Bowl win would warrant his return to the 49ers on a long-term contract... I repeatedly said something like this:

I said that it was possible that Jimmy could prove to me that he should be the long-term starter without winning a playoff game and conversely, Jimmy could prove to me that we should stay the course with Trey Lance, even after winning the Super Bowl. This stance I've realized is vastly different from most posters because most would assume you would have to play great to win playoff games, especially a super bowl win. My stance is that this team is a unicorn, we have a top 3 coaching staff, we know we without throwing the ball, and that we have a history of relying on great defensive play to win in the postseason. It's not inconceivable for this team to win a Super Bowl with subpar QB play... and its entirely possible the team around Jimmy could have a bad game and tarnish a great effort from him individually.

I'm not bringing up Jimmy to hate on him, I bring him up because it's the exact same standard I have towards Purdy. I think it's important to isolate a player's impact to the team, at the best of your ability. A lot of fans get caught up in wins and losses, but they ignore other context that's crucial to understanding a QBs individual value to the team. Whoever gives us the best chance to win now and in the future is who I want as the starter.

To me, what Purdy is doing right now is exceeding MY standard. And that standard is to play at such a high level that I'm willing to risk losing more playing time for Trey knowing how much I believe in his potential. Everything we all hoped Trey could add to this offense, Purdy is doing to perfection. I would still keep Trey knowing how awful we are at keeping QBs healthy in this regime and I still believe in Trey, no shame in saying that.

TLDR, I'm at the point where I'm okay with no competition next season due to Purdy's play. I don't see the problem with a competition, but I feel like Purdy's playing so well, it's hard to argue he shouldn't be named the outright starter.

That is a reasonable post.

Purdy is playing better than anyone has in Kyle's system at the 49ers.

The question is what happens to Trey?

First, Purdy might regress but the odds of that are slim.

Second, Purdy might get injured. That is a real possibility given the nature of the NFL and QB injuries. He has been injured once and maybe that could happen again soon or might not happen for years. This is a random thing and can happen at any time so the team has to be prepared with a good back up.

Third, so who is the best back up?

Injuries aside we have Johnson, JG and Lance on the roster atm. If JG were to stay he is the best back up on prior performance. He won 70% of his games this year and 67% over his time here of games played. Lance is not up to JGs standard of play as of today and will not get there before next season starts.

The question is of course, will JG stay or go elsewhere. Odds are he is gone. The likelihood of him getting a big money offer somewhere else is high. He was playing the best football of his career until his foot got stomped. There are a lot of teams QB hungry at the moment. Of course there is also a chance JG would be happy to stay for back up money. Some people do not understand that he is a rich man earning well over $100,000,000 in his time here. A rich man who does not need to earn more money in his life will make decision based on what makes them happy over just making more money. To think a guy of JG's wealth and character would make a decision based just on making more money is really trapped in a "poor man's" mindset. FO and Kyle would be more than happy for JG to stick around as a back up if they could get him at a good price. So there is an avenue where he stays but this is low odds.

The move would result in seamless transitions if Purdy went down.

With Lance it would not be seamless but would involve changing the scheme to suit his style and level of play. Trey might have improved his game between when he starts running around again and the start of next season but it is hard to see that happening where he will be, at least at first, trying to get back to the level of mobility to where he was when he got injured.

It is quite possible he will be more frightened when he comes back due to his injury. He may note change direction as well and be more a statue in the pocket. It may take a season or two to lose that fear.

All the time Purdy is getting more and more experience.

Overall, I do not think Lance will be the best back up for Purdy or the team.

He is not going to get the reps to develop and is a bit of a lame duck.

The scouts could be looking around for a new low draft or free agent QB to start next year. Who knows? That might be the best option for Purdy's back up.

Even if you don't think Trey's a better fit as a backup for the 49ers in 2023-2024, it's hard to argue that we should trade him now. We would save no cap space by trading him now, and with how often our QBs get injured, we could really benefit to have him on the roster to improve his value in case of an injury.

Also, if Jimmy is as good as many on here believe he is, I don't see why he would stay as the backup next year when, unlike last season, teams wouldn't have to trade for him and he should be healthy for TC.

To me, it just sounds hypocritical to say Jimmy's so much better than Lance and yet Jimmy wouldn't want a starting role. I don't get it.
[ Edited by Waterbear on Jan 16, 2023 at 3:52 PM ]
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Idk about you guys but I've been smiling from ear to ear all day. This kid is exactly what this offense needed. 4… nearly 5 touchdowns in his first postseason start. He creates, he targets downfield, he can escape the pocket, he protects the footbal… he does it all. Our future is incredibly bright.

So no "open competition" with Lance next year for you?

Why does it matter? What are you afraid of?

If it's so clear to you Brock is far superior to Trey any "open competition" will result in Brock winning it easily and being named the starter regardless right?

So if Mahomes and Burrow have to go through an "open competition" next season, and they're annoyed by that, they are afraid? I disagree. Purdy has already earned QB1 status for next season. A competition is unnecessary and would take away first team reps that would prepare him for the regular season.

Comparing Brock to Mahomes and Burrow? Lmao dude. Mahomes is a champion and Burrow a #1 overall pick. We happen to have a #3 overall pick on the roster that got injured through no fault of his own - not like we have Zach Wilson on the roster playing like s**t for two years and looking non-functional.

Talk to me if Brock wins the Super Bowl. Which I desperately hope he does.

I'm down with whatever Shanahan thinks. If he thinks Brock has earned QB1 and no competition is necessary I'm good with that as he has seen more of both qbs in practice than you or I could ever hope to see. I want whoever Kyle thinks will be the best qb in the near term AND long term. If that's Brock let's do it. If he thinks it's Trey though he should go with that. I just want whoever will be considered the most elite qb five years from now not just in the current moment.

But I'm sure as hell not going by your thoughts and proclamations on the matter.

Very curious to see how the offseason goes.

Brock has to win a SB to be compared to Burrow. Yet Burrow has not won a SB.

Yea Ezekiel38's stance is odd.
1st he is basing his assessment on draft status stating Burrows is a #1 pick and lance is a #3 so they HAVE to be better then Purdy.


Also, If Lance would have had 3-4 games like Purdy did, him and others would have declared him a FQB with no competition necessary. However, since draft status matters to him, and Purdy was a low draft pick, as he has stated, "Purdy needs to win the SB in a dominating fashion" to be declared a FQB.

Such Silly takes.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Idk about you guys but I've been smiling from ear to ear all day. This kid is exactly what this offense needed. 4… nearly 5 touchdowns in his first postseason start. He creates, he targets downfield, he can escape the pocket, he protects the footbal… he does it all. Our future is incredibly bright.

So no "open competition" with Lance next year for you?

When people were saying that a Jimmy G Super Bowl win would warrant his return to the 49ers on a long-term contract... I repeatedly said something like this:

I said that it was possible that Jimmy could prove to me that he should be the long-term starter without winning a playoff game and conversely, Jimmy could prove to me that we should stay the course with Trey Lance, even after winning the Super Bowl. This stance I've realized is vastly different from most posters because most would assume you would have to play great to win playoff games, especially a super bowl win. My stance is that this team is a unicorn, we have a top 3 coaching staff, we know we without throwing the ball, and that we have a history of relying on great defensive play to win in the postseason. It's not inconceivable for this team to win a Super Bowl with subpar QB play... and its entirely possible the team around Jimmy could have a bad game and tarnish a great effort from him individually.

I'm not bringing up Jimmy to hate on him, I bring him up because it's the exact same standard I have towards Purdy. I think it's important to isolate a player's impact to the team, at the best of your ability. A lot of fans get caught up in wins and losses, but they ignore other context that's crucial to understanding a QBs individual value to the team. Whoever gives us the best chance to win now and in the future is who I want as the starter.

To me, what Purdy is doing right now is exceeding MY standard. And that standard is to play at such a high level that I'm willing to risk losing more playing time for Trey knowing how much I believe in his potential. Everything we all hoped Trey could add to this offense, Purdy is doing to perfection. I would still keep Trey knowing how awful we are at keeping QBs healthy in this regime and I still believe in Trey, no shame in saying that.

TLDR, I'm at the point where I'm okay with no competition next season due to Purdy's play. I don't see the problem with a competition, but I feel like Purdy's playing so well, it's hard to argue he shouldn't be named the outright starter.

That is a reasonable post.

Purdy is playing better than anyone has in Kyle's system at the 49ers.

The question is what happens to Trey?

First, Purdy might regress but the odds of that are slim.

Second, Purdy might get injured. That is a real possibility given the nature of the NFL and QB injuries. He has been injured once and maybe that could happen again soon or might not happen for years. This is a random thing and can happen at any time so the team has to be prepared with a good back up.

Third, so who is the best back up?

Injuries aside we have Johnson, JG and Lance on the roster atm. If JG were to stay he is the best back up on prior performance. He won 70% of his games this year and 67% over his time here of games played. Lance is not up to JGs standard of play as of today and will not get there before next season starts.

The question is of course, will JG stay or go elsewhere. Odds are he is gone. The likelihood of him getting a big money offer somewhere else is high. He was playing the best football of his career until his foot got stomped. There are a lot of teams QB hungry at the moment. Of course there is also a chance JG would be happy to stay for back up money. Some people do not understand that he is a rich man earning well over $100,000,000 in his time here. A rich man who does not need to earn more money in his life will make decision based on what makes them happy over just making more money. To think a guy of JG's wealth and character would make a decision based just on making more money is really trapped in a "poor man's" mindset. FO and Kyle would be more than happy for JG to stick around as a back up if they could get him at a good price. So there is an avenue where he stays but this is low odds.

The move would result in seamless transitions if Purdy went down.

With Lance it would not be seamless but would involve changing the scheme to suit his style and level of play. Trey might have improved his game between when he starts running around again and the start of next season but it is hard to see that happening where he will be, at least at first, trying to get back to the level of mobility to where he was when he got injured.

It is quite possible he will be more frightened when he comes back due to his injury. He may note change direction as well and be more a statue in the pocket. It may take a season or two to lose that fear.

All the time Purdy is getting more and more experience.

Overall, I do not think Lance will be the best back up for Purdy or the team.

He is not going to get the reps to develop and is a bit of a lame duck.

The scouts could be looking around for a new low draft or free agent QB to start next year. Who knows? That might be the best option for Purdy's back up.

Even if you don't think Trey's a better fit as a backup for the 49ers in 2023-2024, it's hard to argue that we should trade him now. We would save no draft cap by trading him now, and with how often our QBs get injured, we could really benefit to have him on the roster to improve his value in case of an injury.

Also, if Jimmy is as good as many on here believe he is, I don't see why he would stay as the backup next year when, unlike last season, teams wouldn't have to trade for him and he should be healthy for TC.

To me, it just sounds hypocritical to say Jimmy's so much better than Lance and yet Jimmy wouldn't want a starting role. I don't get it.

I think hypocritical is a bit strong. It is a pretty unique situation. A lot of strange and unpredictable things have happened since this time last year. As I said odds on are JG will go somewhere else. The argument I made above is there is a possible scenario he will stay because he likes the organisation and they like him. But I concede the most likely scenario is that he goes.
Originally posted by Goatie:
That 50 yard dart to Kittle showed great arm strength. What more do you want? lol

First off it was 34 yards and second no that doesn't. Talking about velocity is much different then throwing downfield in a perfect pocket.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jan 16, 2023 at 4:08 PM ]
Originally posted by tankle104:
Long as in, since 1998. Lol

2002. Garcia was really good for the 9ers
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Goatie:
That 50 yard dart to Kittle showed great arm strength. What more do you want? lol

No that doesn't. Talking about velocity is much different then throwing downfield in a perfect pocket.

I don't care a ton about velo. Montana, Brees, Brady none of em had a cannon. TB has worked on it pretty darn impressively over the years. Certainly fits our style of YAC you don't need a howitzer for YAC.
This Purdy thread is picking up steam. Keep em coming folks. 666 dead ahead
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Goatie:
That 50 yard dart to Kittle showed great arm strength. What more do you want? lol

No that doesn't. Talking about velocity is much different then throwing downfield in a perfect pocket.

I don't care a ton about velo. Montana, Brees, Brady none of em had a cannon. TB has worked on it pretty darn impressively over the years. Certainly fits our style of YAC you don't need a howitzer for YAC.

That's right. You want an accurate ball with excellent timing. Like Montana and Brees.
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Jan 16, 2023 at 4:06 PM ]
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Goatie:
That 50 yard dart to Kittle showed great arm strength. What more do you want? lol

No that doesn't. Talking about velocity is much different then throwing downfield in a perfect pocket.

I don't care a ton about velo. Montana, Brees, Brady none of em had a cannon. TB has worked on it pretty darn impressively over the years. Certainly fits our style of YAC you don't need a howitzer for YAC.

this thread will try to convince you that a QB can only be really talented if they are tall and possess a canon for an arm.
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