Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Everyone calls w-l records a qb stat.
1st of all, this is a lie, and an entirely subjective statement,...as "everyone" doesn't "call" it anything
And even if they did, relying on what people "call" something admits that your argument is horribly flawed and flies right in the face of what u were arguing regarding "subjectivity."
I thought you were more interested in black and white facts?
There are about 22 guys contributing on both sides of the ball to your team's success. Not talking articles or clicks,....just talking reality. A corner blowing coverage twice can easily lead to a loss and 14 points the other way.
The fact is that wins and losses are a team stat, but do you see how fast you threw your lust for facts right out the window? I saw it coming a mile away.
My thesis is coming @ the end instead of the beginning,...but clearly, the evidence above shows that you gravitate to a couple numbers you like so you can make grandiose statements, whether they make sense or not. And you want to then use "numbers" to back them up because you can't argue "facts",...right?
If a guy is 50-10 as a starting QB, he's 50-10 as a starting QB. I hate to tell you this, but that is where the facts begin and end with that statement. No argument is included in it.
Nah a vast majority of people give wins to QBs. You guys are just being difficult imo. Just a quick Google of "QB wins" shows that it is a very very well known stat throughout all platforms of media. Even look at Super Bowls and how guys like Montana ad Brady are known for wins.
the NFL doesn't record team stats to individuals.
Thats why QB Ratings and QBR was created to try help determine QB play (which still has it flaws)
No..
where is the W/L record, https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/ ?
and tell me why QB Rating and QBR was created ?
Where's QBR on that link?
OMG it's not there, what shall we do
I don't know, you tell us. You're the one that set the standard that the only "real" stats are on NFL.com.
where did i say QBR has to be thee stat.. ?
if you read, i said that's why ratings and QBR were created to help with QB play.. not a stat
"the NFL doesn't record team stats to individuals.
Thats why QB Ratings and QBR was created to try help determine QB play (which still has it flaws)."
"where is the W/L record, https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/ ?
and tell me why QB Rating and QBR was created ?"
is this supposed to be a gotcha moment, quoting why i said ratings were created lol ?
You said that W/L isn't a stat for QB's, because NFL.com doesn't have it.
NFL.com does not have QBR either, yet you cite it regularly (and in this same argument).
so i can't say why Ratings were created ? because that is all i said
Oh cool you're trying to change the subject. K
W/L record is a a TEAM STAT.
W/L record
as a starter is a QB stat, DL stat, OL stat, RB stat, etc.
No player in the NFL has a W/L record, though. Well maybe Gronk did and Kittle will because they're into that fake wrestling stuff.
There is W/L record as a participant and W/L record as a bench player that never entered the game as well. So what? Onlookers have the right to "record" whatever they want.
W/L record is still a team stat, and a team stat only. Until football rules gets rid of the other 20 players on the field, it will continue to be this way.
I mean do you want more myths?
It's not really year 2023, because the Earth is billions of yrs old.
Bulls don't really get mad when they "see" red, George Washington didnt really have wooden teeth, and bats aren't really blind.
I mean we can go on forever, lol.
[ Edited by random49er on Jan 19, 2023 at 5:47 AM ]