QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Again, why should we just take it for a certainty that we're able to accomplish the same exact things without CMC? Just because we were able to barely sneak into the playoffs last year?

Because we have better players and coaching than almost every single team in the league. If they hadn't committed to their project at QB and in the process mismanaged Jimmy G as an asset and played the best player at the position starting the season, we'd likely be the one seed right now.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
We were 3-4 without CMC. Why should it be taken for granted that we would have done those things without him?

Probably based on the fact that the core of this team when healthy has made two deep runs through the postseason without CMC. Or the fact that we were 3-5 last year and lost a heartbreaker in the title game to just miss out on the Super Bowl. The team is a proven commodity without CMC. Prior to trading for CMC we still had a top 5 roster in the NFL conservatively.

You just don't know what you're looking at. Evidenced by your claim that we were headed for a Denver Broncos like season prior to the trade for CMC. Just really dumb.

We needed a 17 point comeback on the road to make the playoffs last year and then needed at least two major fluke plays to advance (punt block, Cowboys f**king up on spiking the ball). The idea that it should just taken as a given that we'd be 14-4 with or without CMC this year is bizarre.

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise considering the number of people here that believe in QB W/L as the definitive stat, essentially arguing that the coaches and other 52 players on a roster don't matter.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Again, why should we just take it for a certainty that we're able to accomplish the same exact things without CMC? Just because we were able to barely sneak into the playoffs last year?

Because we have better players and coaching than almost every single team in the league. If they hadn't committed to their project at QB and in the process mismanaged Jimmy G as an asset and played the best player at the position starting the season, we'd likely be the one seed right now.

You mean if we had started the guy that stepped out of the back of his own endzone, damn near single-handedly costing us the Denver game? That guy?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
You mean if we had started the guy that stepped out of the back of his own endzone, damn near single-handedly costing us the Denver game? That guy?

Yes, that guy. The guy who is a clearly better quarterback than Trey Lance, as average as he is.

Tell me how many times you've seen a team's Super Bowl odds increase when their starting QB was lost for the season. That's exactly what happened with us.

You have a lot of nerve calling other people idiots when you can't even address their arguments correctly. Nobody is saying the team would be the same without CMC, or that CMC hasn't had an impact. People are taking issue with the idea that we couldn't have reached this point without him, and that our season would have been over without him. That's what you claimed.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
You mean if we had started the guy that stepped out of the back of his own endzone, damn near single-handedly costing us the Denver game? That guy?

Yes, that guy. The guy who is a clearly better quarterback than Trey Lance, as average as he is.

Tell me how many times you've seen a team's Super Bowl odds increase when their starting QB was lost for the season? That's exactly what happened with us.

You have a lot of nerve calling other people idiots when you can't even address their arguments correctly. Nobody is saying the team would be the same without CMC, or that CMC hasn't had an impact. People are taking issue with the idea that we couldn't have reached this point without him, and that our season would have been over without him. That's what you claimed.

Why are you even bringing up Trey Lance? What does that have to do with CMC? Some of you can't help yourselves but find a way to pin all of your arguments and all of your life's problems on Trey. Maybe you can explain why you hate him so strongly? I don't get it. I've never met the guy and don't know him, so I couldn't say why you guys feel so strongly about him.

Back to the claim, there's no reason to think things were just going to magically turn themselves around without the CMC trade. This season's situation was not the same as last year. CMC has made the biggest difference on this offense out of any player and no, I don't think we're magically just as good without him.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
We needed a 17 point comeback on the road to make the playoffs last year and then needed at least two major fluke plays to advance (punt block, Cowboys f**king up on spiking the ball). The idea that it should just taken as a given that we'd be 14-4 with or without CMC this year is bizarre.

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise considering the number of people here that believe in QB W/L as the definitive stat, essentially arguing that the coaches and other 52 players on a roster don't matter.

Yea, if the Cowboys hadn't blown that last snap they assuredly would have thrown a 20+ yard touchdown for the win with no time on the clock.

Who knows what happens in that Packers game if the punt wasn't blocked. We would have had the ball in position to tie the game... on the road, in the snow, against the NFC's 1 seed and best record in the NFL.

You're addicted to dumb takes. Not hard to imagine a guy who seriously claimed Sudfeld was a better QB than Jimmy G doesn't know a damn thing, lol.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Why are you even bringing up Trey Lance? What does that have to do with CMC? Some of you can't help yourselves but find a way to pin all of your arguments and all of your life's problems on Trey. Maybe you can explain why you hate him so strongly? I don't get it. I've never met the guy and don't know him, so I couldn't say why you guys feel so strongly about him.

Back to the claim, there's no reason to think things were just going to magically turn themselves around without the CMC trade. This season's situation was not the same as last year. CMC has made the biggest difference on this offense out of any player and no, I don't think we're magically just as good without him.

Again, nobody is claiming they'd be just as good. The claim is they'd still be one of the better teams in the NFL and fully capable of reaching this position.

Nice projection with the life problems comments. Go soak your head, man.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Why are you even bringing up Trey Lance? What does that have to do with CMC? Some of you can't help yourselves but find a way to pin all of your arguments and all of your life's problems on Trey. Maybe you can explain why you hate him so strongly? I don't get it. I've never met the guy and don't know him, so I couldn't say why you guys feel so strongly about him.

Back to the claim, there's no reason to think things were just going to magically turn themselves around without the CMC trade. This season's situation was not the same as last year. CMC has made the biggest difference on this offense out of any player and no, I don't think we're magically just as good without him.

Again, nobody is claiming they'd be just as good. The claim is they'd still be one of the better teams in the NFL and fully capable of reaching this position.

Nice projection with the life problems comments. Go soak your head, man.

Projection? You're the one that brought Trey up out of nowhere to slam him. Explain why you felt compelled to do that.

Brock o' clock soon beechez.. bring it hard 😎

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
We needed a 17 point comeback on the road to make the playoffs last year and then needed at least two major fluke plays to advance (punt block, Cowboys f**king up on spiking the ball). The idea that it should just taken as a given that we'd be 14-4 with or without CMC this year is bizarre.

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise considering the number of people here that believe in QB W/L as the definitive stat, essentially arguing that the coaches and other 52 players on a roster don't matter.

Yea, if the Cowboys hadn't blown that last snap they assuredly would have thrown a 20+ yard touchdown for the win with no time on the clock.

Who knows what happens in that Packers game if the punt wasn't blocked. We would have had the ball in position to tie the game... on the road, in the snow, against the NFC's 1 seed and best record in the NFL.

You're addicted to dumb takes. Not hard to imagine a guy who seriously claimed Sudfeld was a better QB than Jimmy G doesn't know a damn thing, lol.

Our offense that had scored 3 points in that Packers game was going to just suddenly drive down the field with ease to tie the game up?

The Cowboys drove nearly 50 yards in less than a minute already before that snafu. It's not hard to believe that they might have won without that snafu. Either way, it's not terribly relevant. That team was not nearly as good as this year's team post-CMC. His effect on the offense and how defenses have had to account for him can't be understated.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Projection? You're the one that brought Trey up out of nowhere to slam him. Explain why you felt compelled to do that.

I didn't bring him up out of nowhere. I brought him up because the decision to start him and sideline the better player we had available at the position was a key reason we had two early losses and were sitting at 3-4. The 3-4 record is your basis for thinking we wouldn't be in this position without the CMC trade.

I also didn't slam him. I said he wasn't as good as Jimmy G, as average as Jimmy G is.

Your opinion towards Lance is the backdrop for these ridiculous arguments you're making. It's not a secret.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Our offense that had scored 3 points in that Packers game was going to just suddenly drive down the field with ease to tie the game up?

The Cowboys drove nearly 50 yards in less than a minute already before that snafu. It's not hard to believe that they might have won without that snafu. Either way, it's not terribly relevant. That team was not nearly as good as this year's team post-CMC. His effect on the offense and how defenses have had to account for him can't be understated.

The Cowboys would have had a chance to win. They would have had one play and needed a 20+ yard touchdown to win. That's a far cry from your claim that the 49ers needed a fluke mismanagement of that play to win the game. It would have been a fluke if they lost. They dominated the game outside of Jimmy's 2nd half play.

I did not say the 49ers would have drove down the field to tie the game agains the Packers with certainty. I said very clearly 'who knows what would have happened'. You can assume in your mind we wouldn't have drove the field to tie the game, but we had moved the ball successfully on other occasions in the game. Drove the length of the field to have Jimmy throw a pick near the goalline, and drove a good distance for the game winning field goal as well.

Not just addicted to bad takes. Addicted to misrepresenting people's positions.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Projection? You're the one that brought Trey up out of nowhere to slam him. Explain why you felt compelled to do that.

I didn't bring him up out of nowhere. I brought him up because the decision to start him and sideline the better player we had available at the position was a key reason we had two early losses and were sitting at 3-4. The 3-4 record is your basis for thinking we wouldn't be in this position without the CMC trade.

I also didn't slam him. I said he wasn't as good as Jimmy G, as average as Jimmy G is.

Your opinion towards Lance is the backdrop for these ridiculous arguments you're making. It's not a secret.

How is that the backdrop of my argument? I've barely talked about Lance in the last 4 months. God forbid me defending him when he was our QB. It's f**king absurd how mad people are that I defended our franchise QB that we spent 3 first rounders on while he was the starting QB.

And last I checked, Lance only played 1 game, so saying he was the key reason we were 3-4 is absurd. We can't pin Jimmy's performance against Denver on rust when he looked fine against Seattle the week prior. Lance had nothing to do with us getting blown out in back to back weeks against Atlanta and KC. Furthermore, it's absurd to think Jimmy would have won against Chicago when the only games he's played in bad weather he's been terrible in.

Let's not forget that this absurd argument started because someone claimed Purdy saved Lynch, an absurd statement. If you don't believe CMC made a season changing difference, then maybe you should just look at the rest of the roster. Purdy is likely not a national name right now if he wasn't surrounded by one of the best supporting casts in the league. The supporting cast that this FO put together.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Crown:
We absolutely need to keep both, I think it would be foolish to trade Trey.

While I respect Jimmy's contributions, it's not worth resigning him if you keep Trey

Good thing we have a front office that knows this. We keep both and we don't worry about a QB injury for two or three seasons while we focus our efforts elsewhere while continuing to develop both guys cheaply. We are talking about guys that are both 22 and 23 years old!

Seriously. Thank God the front office isn't stupid enough to trade Trey Lance. It's like people forget we are on our 3rd string QB this year due to injuries.

The "Trade Trey" group dont want him traded for any reason that would benefit the team. It's just personal problems they have with him.

I like Trey a lot. But if we can get a first for him, and use that to draft a RT who we pay $8-$9m/year rather than pay McGlinchey $18-$20m/year, and use the rest to help re-sign Bosa and Aiyuk, it's a win. Plus it gives Trey a chance to develop rather than sit, which is better for him, so it's win/win. If you're truly a fan of Trey then you don't want him sitting the bench for the Niners.

Why does no one seem to understand that we're not getting 8-9 million per year in cap space if we trade Trey? We LOSE cap space if we trade Trey, and even if we wait until after June 1st, we still only end up saving like 3 million due to roughly 5-6 million in dead cap we'd have in that case, which isn't even enough to sign a new back up QB.

Originally posted by NCommand:
What more boxes can be checked today? How many has he already checked off?

Defeating an elite pass rush with stars in the secondary while going toe to toe with an elite offense on the other side of the board.