QB Brock Purdy Thread

For anyone who missed it when I posted a couple days ago. Definitely worth the time to watch.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
How is that the backdrop of my argument? I've barely talked about Lance in the last 4 months. God forbid me defending him when he was our QB. It's f**king absurd how mad people are that I defended our franchise QB that we spent 3 first rounders on while he was the starting QB.

And last I checked, Lance only played 1 game, so saying he was the key reason we were 3-4 is absurd. We can't pin Jimmy's performance against Denver on rust when he looked fine against Seattle the week prior. Lance had nothing to do with us getting blown out in back to back weeks against Atlanta and KC. Furthermore, it's absurd to think Jimmy would have won against Chicago when the only games he's played in bad weather he's been terrible in.

Let's not forget that this absurd argument started because someone claimed Purdy saved Lynch, an absurd statement. If you don't believe CMC made a season changing difference, then maybe you should just look at the rest of the roster. Purdy is likely not a national name right now if he wasn't surrounded by one of the best supporting casts in the league.

I agree Lance had nothing to do with our losses to Atlanta and KC. I'm referencing the games against Chicago and Denver. I also don't assume we would have won either of those games had Jimmy been involved in the offseason and was the starter. It's my opinion that they would have had a better chance to win those games because the team would have been better.

Again, our playoff and Super Bowl odds IMPROVED when Lance went down for the season. People who have large financial interest in evaluating these teams as accurately as possible are telling you something there. This team has been widely viewed as a Super Bowl contender for multiple years now, whether you can see it or not.

Regardless I'm moving on from this. It's obvious that you have a lot to learn and you're going to continue to mischaracterize arguments in order to vomit more terrible opinions. Enjoy the game today.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

The thing about Brock Purdy is this: He still misses an insane amount of easy throws/reads and he's gotten supremely lucky with the dropped interceptions and passes straight to the linebackers. He makes a few more throws that the previous QB couldn't or wouldn't make.

— Rich (@richjmadrid) January 22, 2023

Hence why the offense is so much better. It doesn't take much, despite the hate Shanahan has received for years from former members of the Jimmy Club.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
How is that the backdrop of my argument? I've barely talked about Lance in the last 4 months. God forbid me defending him when he was our QB. It's f**king absurd how mad people are that I defended our franchise QB that we spent 3 first rounders on while he was the starting QB.

And last I checked, Lance only played 1 game, so saying he was the key reason we were 3-4 is absurd. We can't pin Jimmy's performance against Denver on rust when he looked fine against Seattle the week prior. Lance had nothing to do with us getting blown out in back to back weeks against Atlanta and KC. Furthermore, it's absurd to think Jimmy would have won against Chicago when the only games he's played in bad weather he's been terrible in.

Let's not forget that this absurd argument started because someone claimed Purdy saved Lynch, an absurd statement. If you don't believe CMC made a season changing difference, then maybe you should just look at the rest of the roster. Purdy is likely not a national name right now if he wasn't surrounded by one of the best supporting casts in the league.

I agree Lance had nothing to do with our losses to Atlanta and KC. I'm referencing the games against Chicago and Denver. I also don't assume we would have won either of those games had Jimmy been involved in the offseason and was the starter. It's my opinion that they would have had a better chance to win those games because the team would have been better.

Again, our playoff and Super Bowl odds IMPROVED when Lance went down for the season. People who have large financial interest in evaluating these teams as accurately as possible are telling you something there. This team has been widely viewed as a Super Bowl contender for multiple years now, whether you can see it or not.

Regardless I'm moving on from this. It's obvious that you have a lot to learn and you're going to continue to mischaracterize arguments in order to vomit more terrible opinions. Enjoy the game today.

Have you considered that maybe those odds increased due to less uncertainty? Jimmy was a proven commodity whereas Lance was not. Is that not what the odds are supposed to represent?

Feel free to move on, but don't act like I'm the one misrepresenting arguments when you're the one that insinuated I was defending John Lynch out of some loyalty to Trey Lance (who I've barely talked about over the last 4 months).

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Crown:
We absolutely need to keep both, I think it would be foolish to trade Trey.

While I respect Jimmy's contributions, it's not worth resigning him if you keep Trey

Good thing we have a front office that knows this. We keep both and we don't worry about a QB injury for two or three seasons while we focus our efforts elsewhere while continuing to develop both guys cheaply. We are talking about guys that are both 22 and 23 years old!

Seriously. Thank God the front office isn't stupid enough to trade Trey Lance. It's like people forget we are on our 3rd string QB this year due to injuries.

The "Trade Trey" group dont want him traded for any reason that would benefit the team. It's just personal problems they have with him.

I like Trey a lot. But if we can get a first for him, and use that to draft a RT who we pay $8-$9m/year rather than pay McGlinchey $18-$20m/year, and use the rest to help re-sign Bosa and Aiyuk, it's a win. Plus it gives Trey a chance to develop rather than sit, which is better for him, so it's win/win. If you're truly a fan of Trey then you don't want him sitting the bench for the Niners.

Why does no one seem to understand that we're not getting 8-9 million per year in cap space if we trade Trey? We LOSE cap space if we trade Trey, and even if we wait until after June 1st, we still only end up saving like 3 million due to roughly 5-6 million in dead cap we'd have in that case, which isn't even enough to sign a new back up QB.

Great post, Furlow. I'm with you my brother.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Crown:
We absolutely need to keep both, I think it would be foolish to trade Trey.

While I respect Jimmy's contributions, it's not worth resigning him if you keep Trey

Good thing we have a front office that knows this. We keep both and we don't worry about a QB injury for two or three seasons while we focus our efforts elsewhere while continuing to develop both guys cheaply. We are talking about guys that are both 22 and 23 years old!

Seriously. Thank God the front office isn't stupid enough to trade Trey Lance. It's like people forget we are on our 3rd string QB this year due to injuries.

The "Trade Trey" group dont want him traded for any reason that would benefit the team. It's just personal problems they have with him.

I like Trey a lot. But if we can get a first for him, and use that to draft a RT who we pay $8-$9m/year rather than pay McGlinchey $18-$20m/year, and use the rest to help re-sign Bosa and Aiyuk, it's a win. Plus it gives Trey a chance to develop rather than sit, which is better for him, so it's win/win. If you're truly a fan of Trey then you don't want him sitting the bench for the Niners.

Why does no one seem to understand that we're not getting 8-9 million per year in cap space if we trade Trey? We LOSE cap space if we trade Trey, and even if we wait until after June 1st, we still only end up saving like 3 million due to roughly 5-6 million in dead cap we'd have in that case, which isn't even enough to sign a new back up QB.

Great post, Furlow. I'm with you my brother.

We're not getting a first for Trey though. And we're losing money if we trade him.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
We're not getting a first for Trey though. And we're losing money if we trade him.

There's no way he's getting traded, like you said. The return wouldn't be close to making the cost worthwhile. Not going to take an 8 figure cap hit for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, if we could even get either.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Crown:
We absolutely need to keep both, I think it would be foolish to trade Trey.

While I respect Jimmy's contributions, it's not worth resigning him if you keep Trey

Good thing we have a front office that knows this. We keep both and we don't worry about a QB injury for two or three seasons while we focus our efforts elsewhere while continuing to develop both guys cheaply. We are talking about guys that are both 22 and 23 years old!

Seriously. Thank God the front office isn't stupid enough to trade Trey Lance. It's like people forget we are on our 3rd string QB this year due to injuries.

The "Trade Trey" group dont want him traded for any reason that would benefit the team. It's just personal problems they have with him.

I like Trey a lot. But if we can get a first for him, and use that to draft a RT who we pay $8-$9m/year rather than pay McGlinchey $18-$20m/year, and use the rest to help re-sign Bosa and Aiyuk, it's a win. Plus it gives Trey a chance to develop rather than sit, which is better for him, so it's win/win. If you're truly a fan of Trey then you don't want him sitting the bench for the Niners.

Why does no one seem to understand that we're not getting 8-9 million per year in cap space if we trade Trey? We LOSE cap space if we trade Trey, and even if we wait until after June 1st, we still only end up saving like 3 million due to roughly 5-6 million in dead cap we'd have in that case, which isn't even enough to sign a new back up QB.

Great post, Furlow. I'm with you my brother.

We're not getting a first for Trey though. And we're losing money if we trade him.

I know, a 2nd and another pick or two is the next best thing. You never get back true value for a 1st rounder or any other pick. Just got to get what we can get.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
We're not getting a first for Trey though. And we're losing money if we trade him.

There's no way he's getting traded, like you said. The return wouldn't be close to making the cost worthwhile. Not going to take an 8 figure cap hit for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, if we could even get either.

So, what get nothing for him in 3 years? That's bad accounting my brother.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
How is that the backdrop of my argument? I've barely talked about Lance in the last 4 months. God forbid me defending him when he was our QB. It's f**king absurd how mad people are that I defended our franchise QB that we spent 3 first rounders on while he was the starting QB.

And last I checked, Lance only played 1 game, so saying he was the key reason we were 3-4 is absurd. We can't pin Jimmy's performance against Denver on rust when he looked fine against Seattle the week prior. Lance had nothing to do with us getting blown out in back to back weeks against Atlanta and KC. Furthermore, it's absurd to think Jimmy would have won against Chicago when the only games he's played in bad weather he's been terrible in.

Let's not forget that this absurd argument started because someone claimed Purdy saved Lynch, an absurd statement. If you don't believe CMC made a season changing difference, then maybe you should just look at the rest of the roster. Purdy is likely not a national name right now if he wasn't surrounded by one of the best supporting casts in the league. The supporting cast that this FO put together.

So, when people take Lance's side in discussions about his play they are "defending their QB", but when people take Jimmy's side in discussions about his play they are being "homers, fanboys or stans" (whatever that means). Well gosh, I'm glad we were finally able to get that cleared up.

Originally posted by mayo49:
So, what get nothing for him in 3 years? That's bad accounting my brother.

You get a backup QB with the potential to grow. You don't eat 10 million plus.

I'd love to trade him for a 1st round pick and sign a veteran backup, but that's just not reality in my opinion.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by mayo49:
So, what get nothing for him in 3 years? That's bad accounting my brother.

You get a backup QB with the potential to grow. You don't eat 10 million plus.

I'd love to trade him for a 1st round pick and sign a veteran backup, but that's just not reality in my opinion.

I guess there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Crown:
We absolutely need to keep both, I think it would be foolish to trade Trey.

While I respect Jimmy's contributions, it's not worth resigning him if you keep Trey

Good thing we have a front office that knows this. We keep both and we don't worry about a QB injury for two or three seasons while we focus our efforts elsewhere while continuing to develop both guys cheaply. We are talking about guys that are both 22 and 23 years old!

Seriously. Thank God the front office isn't stupid enough to trade Trey Lance. It's like people forget we are on our 3rd string QB this year due to injuries.

The "Trade Trey" group dont want him traded for any reason that would benefit the team. It's just personal problems they have with him.

I like Trey a lot. But if we can get a first for him, and use that to draft a RT who we pay $8-$9m/year rather than pay McGlinchey $18-$20m/year, and use the rest to help re-sign Bosa and Aiyuk, it's a win. Plus it gives Trey a chance to develop rather than sit, which is better for him, so it's win/win. If you're truly a fan of Trey then you don't want him sitting the bench for the Niners.

Why does no one seem to understand that we're not getting 8-9 million per year in cap space if we trade Trey? We LOSE cap space if we trade Trey, and even if we wait until after June 1st, we still only end up saving like 3 million due to roughly 5-6 million in dead cap we'd have in that case, which isn't even enough to sign a new back up QB.

Great post, Furlow. I'm with you my brother.

We're not getting a first for Trey though. And we're losing money if we trade him.

I know, a 2nd and another pick or two is the next best thing. You never get back true value for a 1st rounder or any other pick. Just got to get what we can get.

The issue is similar to Jimmy. Teams know we have our QB of the future now, not to mention Trey's clearly injury-prone history.

Still, he's still got that strong arm and speed. So for us the issue comes down to whether or not whatever pick we get is worth the dead cap space, and frankly, you need a back up QB anyway, so I doubt we trade him next year.