QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

And that is why shanahan went conservative in the game
plan and tried to just grind this out. If we would of kept trying to force passes, it was only a matter of time until Purdy made a mistake because of how well the defense was playing.

It's very very hard for any qb to have great success under a lot of pressure like that. Very hard

Even the great coaches know when to hide their qbs, but can't hide em too long tho.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

And that is why shanahan went conservative in the game
plan and tried to just grind this out. If we would of kept trying to force passes, it was only a matter of time until Purdy made a mistake because of how well the defense was playing.

It's very very hard for any qb to have great success under a lot of pressure like that. Very hard

Even the great coaches know when to hide their qbs, but can't hide em too long tho.

There is a difference between hiding a QB and protecting a QB.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Even the great coaches know when to hide their qbs, but can't hide em too long tho.

Huge difference between hiding a QB and protecting a rookie passer against an overly aggressive, turnover happy defense.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

And that is why shanahan went conservative in the game
plan and tried to just grind this out. If we would of kept trying to force passes, it was only a matter of time until Purdy made a mistake because of how well the defense was playing.

It's very very hard for any qb to have great success under a lot of pressure like that. Very hard

Even the great coaches know when to hide their qbs, but can't hide em too long tho.

Shanahan has spent every postseason in his HC career trying to hide his QB, so he should be pretty good at it by now.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LetsRoll:
The game I watched showed Brock with linebackers in his lap most of the game. You can't hit "open" receivers when you're moments from getting hit by a train. I would be more worried if Tom Brady hadn't also been harassed by this same defense. One article I read said Tampa Bay/Tom Brady offense looked out of rhythm and Oline couldn't block Dallas D. This is probably the best defense Purdy has ever played against in his career. Even practicing against SF defense isn't the same because we know Bosa isn't going to take Brock's head off his shoulders. The Dallas D is fast and good. I don't think our game on offense went as Shanahan planned, I think he figured Brock would have more than a second or two to throw the ball. But the kid didn't make any mistakes and we collectively as a team pulled the game out in the end. So, good on us. Let's see how Shanahan game plans for the Eagles.

Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

Without watching the game sober (a second time), I felt like there were multiple dropbacks where Brock was pressured because he couldn't find a target to throw to. Meaning he had time to dropback, survey the field for a bit, DAL played good coverage, then Brock got pressured. So sure he got pressured but it was due to good coverage from DAL thus forcing Brock to hold the ball. Not every pressure was like this, but a handful were.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LetsRoll:
The game I watched showed Brock with linebackers in his lap most of the game. You can't hit "open" receivers when you're moments from getting hit by a train. I would be more worried if Tom Brady hadn't also been harassed by this same defense. One article I read said Tampa Bay/Tom Brady offense looked out of rhythm and Oline couldn't block Dallas D. This is probably the best defense Purdy has ever played against in his career. Even practicing against SF defense isn't the same because we know Bosa isn't going to take Brock's head off his shoulders. The Dallas D is fast and good. I don't think our game on offense went as Shanahan planned, I think he figured Brock would have more than a second or two to throw the ball. But the kid didn't make any mistakes and we collectively as a team pulled the game out in the end. So, good on us. Let's see how Shanahan game plans for the Eagles.

Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

Without watching the game sober (a second time), I felt like there were multiple dropbacks where Brock was pressured because he couldn't find a target to throw to. Meaning he had time to dropback, survey the field for a bit, DAL played good coverage, then Brock got pressured. So sure he got pressured but it was due to good coverage from DAL thus forcing Brock to hold the ball. Not every pressure was like this, but a handful were.

Which explains the average 3.64 seconds before pressure got to him. I posted this a few times yesterday. The O line did allow quick pressure here and there but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the 48.5% pressure rate would indicate. That is why pressure rate alone doesn't tell the whole story when judging pass protection. TTT tells you how well the coverage was holding up to allow pressure to get there.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LetsRoll:
The game I watched showed Brock with linebackers in his lap most of the game. You can't hit "open" receivers when you're moments from getting hit by a train. I would be more worried if Tom Brady hadn't also been harassed by this same defense. One article I read said Tampa Bay/Tom Brady offense looked out of rhythm and Oline couldn't block Dallas D. This is probably the best defense Purdy has ever played against in his career. Even practicing against SF defense isn't the same because we know Bosa isn't going to take Brock's head off his shoulders. The Dallas D is fast and good. I don't think our game on offense went as Shanahan planned, I think he figured Brock would have more than a second or two to throw the ball. But the kid didn't make any mistakes and we collectively as a team pulled the game out in the end. So, good on us. Let's see how Shanahan game plans for the Eagles.

Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

Without watching the game sober (a second time), I felt like there were multiple dropbacks where Brock was pressured because he couldn't find a target to throw to. Meaning he had time to dropback, survey the field for a bit, DAL played good coverage, then Brock got pressured. So sure he got pressured but it was due to good coverage from DAL thus forcing Brock to hold the ball. Not every pressure was like this, but a handful were.

Which explains the average 3.64 seconds before pressure got to him. I posted this a few times yesterday. The O line did allow quick pressure here and there but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the 48.5% pressure rate would indicate. That is why pressure rate alone doesn't tell the whole story when judging pass protection. TTT tells you how well the coverage was holding up to allow pressure to get there.

Yes, agreed. I remember several times after playaction, Brock had plenty of time. Couldn't find anyone.

Seems like Micah Parson was the wrecking ball on run and pass plays all game.If it wasn't for Brock's 4 years of college playing against better opponents to dealt with pressure situations, he would've wilted as a rookie qb against the Cowboys. As it is, that wasn't Brock's first rodeo.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

And that is why shanahan went conservative in the game
plan and tried to just grind this out. If we would of kept trying to force passes, it was only a matter of time until Purdy made a mistake because of how well the defense was playing.

It's very very hard for any qb to have great success under a lot of pressure like that. Very hard

Even the great coaches know when to hide their qbs, but can't hide em too long tho.

Shanahan has spent every postseason in his HC career trying to hide his QB, so he should be pretty good at it by now.

Great point! Brock can hide behind a good strong run game for a bit, but he will have to play peek-a-boo with the pass and pass occasionally to prevent the Eagles from keying on the run. I'll also just add that Brock's mobility will be tremendously helpful in avoiding sacks and negative pass yardage. At this point in time, Brock should be able to operate with full confidence and efficiency - at least, I would think, 100% of the basic bread and butter passes, and 25% of the rest of the intermediate and advanced passing concepts. Each week he should get better and better at this offense.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LetsRoll:
The game I watched showed Brock with linebackers in his lap most of the game. You can't hit "open" receivers when you're moments from getting hit by a train. I would be more worried if Tom Brady hadn't also been harassed by this same defense. One article I read said Tampa Bay/Tom Brady offense looked out of rhythm and Oline couldn't block Dallas D. This is probably the best defense Purdy has ever played against in his career. Even practicing against SF defense isn't the same because we know Bosa isn't going to take Brock's head off his shoulders. The Dallas D is fast and good. I don't think our game on offense went as Shanahan planned, I think he figured Brock would have more than a second or two to throw the ball. But the kid didn't make any mistakes and we collectively as a team pulled the game out in the end. So, good on us. Let's see how Shanahan game plans for the Eagles.

Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

Without watching the game sober (a second time), I felt like there were multiple dropbacks where Brock was pressured because he couldn't find a target to throw to. Meaning he had time to dropback, survey the field for a bit, DAL played good coverage, then Brock got pressured. So sure he got pressured but it was due to good coverage from DAL thus forcing Brock to hold the ball. Not every pressure was like this, but a handful were.

Which explains the average 3.64 seconds before pressure got to him. I posted this a few times yesterday. The O line did allow quick pressure here and there but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the 48.5% pressure rate would indicate. That is why pressure rate alone doesn't tell the whole story when judging pass protection. TTT tells you how well the coverage was holding up to allow pressure to get there.

Is there a tracked time before pressure stat (is that what the 3.64 is or is that TTT)? TTT seems incomplete because a QB that is good at using his legs to buy time to throw might have his average TTT go up when there is a lot of early pressure because he's being forced out of the structure of the play.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LetsRoll:
The game I watched showed Brock with linebackers in his lap most of the game. You can't hit "open" receivers when you're moments from getting hit by a train. I would be more worried if Tom Brady hadn't also been harassed by this same defense. One article I read said Tampa Bay/Tom Brady offense looked out of rhythm and Oline couldn't block Dallas D. This is probably the best defense Purdy has ever played against in his career. Even practicing against SF defense isn't the same because we know Bosa isn't going to take Brock's head off his shoulders. The Dallas D is fast and good. I don't think our game on offense went as Shanahan planned, I think he figured Brock would have more than a second or two to throw the ball. But the kid didn't make any mistakes and we collectively as a team pulled the game out in the end. So, good on us. Let's see how Shanahan game plans for the Eagles.

Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

Without watching the game sober (a second time), I felt like there were multiple dropbacks where Brock was pressured because he couldn't find a target to throw to. Meaning he had time to dropback, survey the field for a bit, DAL played good coverage, then Brock got pressured. So sure he got pressured but it was due to good coverage from DAL thus forcing Brock to hold the ball. Not every pressure was like this, but a handful were.

Which explains the average 3.64 seconds before pressure got to him. I posted this a few times yesterday. The O line did allow quick pressure here and there but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the 48.5% pressure rate would indicate. That is why pressure rate alone doesn't tell the whole story when judging pass protection. TTT tells you how well the coverage was holding up to allow pressure to get there.

Yes, agreed. I remember several times after playaction, Brock had plenty of time. Couldn't find anyone.

This is probably hard for a lot on here but the hard truth Ie that Dallas has a very good defense, I'd argue an elite championship caliber defense. They didn't always come to play every week but they sure as hell came to play us with a lot of energy and violence. Kudos to them. I didn't expect that.

it's that simple. We played better and Kyle went conservative to protect Purdy. I didn't really notice it initially but after some time - it was really smart and we got the W. That's championship football from our players and coaches.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LetsRoll:
The game I watched showed Brock with linebackers in his lap most of the game. You can't hit "open" receivers when you're moments from getting hit by a train. I would be more worried if Tom Brady hadn't also been harassed by this same defense. One article I read said Tampa Bay/Tom Brady offense looked out of rhythm and Oline couldn't block Dallas D. This is probably the best defense Purdy has ever played against in his career. Even practicing against SF defense isn't the same because we know Bosa isn't going to take Brock's head off his shoulders. The Dallas D is fast and good. I don't think our game on offense went as Shanahan planned, I think he figured Brock would have more than a second or two to throw the ball. But the kid didn't make any mistakes and we collectively as a team pulled the game out in the end. So, good on us. Let's see how Shanahan game plans for the Eagles.

Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

Without watching the game sober (a second time), I felt like there were multiple dropbacks where Brock was pressured because he couldn't find a target to throw to. Meaning he had time to dropback, survey the field for a bit, DAL played good coverage, then Brock got pressured. So sure he got pressured but it was due to good coverage from DAL thus forcing Brock to hold the ball. Not every pressure was like this, but a handful were.

Which explains the average 3.64 seconds before pressure got to him. I posted this a few times yesterday. The O line did allow quick pressure here and there but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the 48.5% pressure rate would indicate. That is why pressure rate alone doesn't tell the whole story when judging pass protection. TTT tells you how well the coverage was holding up to allow pressure to get there.

Is there a tracked time before pressure stat? TTT seems incomplete because a QB that is good at using his legs to buy time to throw might have his average TTT go up when there is a lot of early pressure because he's being forced out of the structure of the play.

Sure. But if a QB is using his legs to buy time, we can assume that the QB is either not seeing the field well or coverage is holding up in the secondary. The film should be able to tell us which one it was.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LetsRoll:
The game I watched showed Brock with linebackers in his lap most of the game. You can't hit "open" receivers when you're moments from getting hit by a train. I would be more worried if Tom Brady hadn't also been harassed by this same defense. One article I read said Tampa Bay/Tom Brady offense looked out of rhythm and Oline couldn't block Dallas D. This is probably the best defense Purdy has ever played against in his career. Even practicing against SF defense isn't the same because we know Bosa isn't going to take Brock's head off his shoulders. The Dallas D is fast and good. I don't think our game on offense went as Shanahan planned, I think he figured Brock would have more than a second or two to throw the ball. But the kid didn't make any mistakes and we collectively as a team pulled the game out in the end. So, good on us. Let's see how Shanahan game plans for the Eagles.

Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

Without watching the game sober (a second time), I felt like there were multiple dropbacks where Brock was pressured because he couldn't find a target to throw to. Meaning he had time to dropback, survey the field for a bit, DAL played good coverage, then Brock got pressured. So sure he got pressured but it was due to good coverage from DAL thus forcing Brock to hold the ball. Not every pressure was like this, but a handful were.

Which explains the average 3.64 seconds before pressure got to him. I posted this a few times yesterday. The O line did allow quick pressure here and there but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the 48.5% pressure rate would indicate. That is why pressure rate alone doesn't tell the whole story when judging pass protection. TTT tells you how well the coverage was holding up to allow pressure to get there.

Yes, agreed. I remember several times after playaction, Brock had plenty of time. Couldn't find anyone.

Our wrs just can't win 1v1 against good secondary unless kyle scheme them open. Need a wr that can box out and outjump a db when the ball is in the air.

Originally posted by jed_X:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LetsRoll:
The game I watched showed Brock with linebackers in his lap most of the game. You can't hit "open" receivers when you're moments from getting hit by a train. I would be more worried if Tom Brady hadn't also been harassed by this same defense. One article I read said Tampa Bay/Tom Brady offense looked out of rhythm and Oline couldn't block Dallas D. This is probably the best defense Purdy has ever played against in his career. Even practicing against SF defense isn't the same because we know Bosa isn't going to take Brock's head off his shoulders. The Dallas D is fast and good. I don't think our game on offense went as Shanahan planned, I think he figured Brock would have more than a second or two to throw the ball. But the kid didn't make any mistakes and we collectively as a team pulled the game out in the end. So, good on us. Let's see how Shanahan game plans for the Eagles.

Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

Without watching the game sober (a second time), I felt like there were multiple dropbacks where Brock was pressured because he couldn't find a target to throw to. Meaning he had time to dropback, survey the field for a bit, DAL played good coverage, then Brock got pressured. So sure he got pressured but it was due to good coverage from DAL thus forcing Brock to hold the ball. Not every pressure was like this, but a handful were.

Which explains the average 3.64 seconds before pressure got to him. I posted this a few times yesterday. The O line did allow quick pressure here and there but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the 48.5% pressure rate would indicate. That is why pressure rate alone doesn't tell the whole story when judging pass protection. TTT tells you how well the coverage was holding up to allow pressure to get there.

Yes, agreed. I remember several times after playaction, Brock had plenty of time. Couldn't find anyone.

Our wrs just can't win 1v1 against good secondary unless kyle scheme them open. Need a wr that can box out and outjump a db when the ball is in the air.

D Hop may be available next year. Although doubt they would trade in division.

Originally posted by jed_X:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LetsRoll:
The game I watched showed Brock with linebackers in his lap most of the game. You can't hit "open" receivers when you're moments from getting hit by a train. I would be more worried if Tom Brady hadn't also been harassed by this same defense. One article I read said Tampa Bay/Tom Brady offense looked out of rhythm and Oline couldn't block Dallas D. This is probably the best defense Purdy has ever played against in his career. Even practicing against SF defense isn't the same because we know Bosa isn't going to take Brock's head off his shoulders. The Dallas D is fast and good. I don't think our game on offense went as Shanahan planned, I think he figured Brock would have more than a second or two to throw the ball. But the kid didn't make any mistakes and we collectively as a team pulled the game out in the end. So, good on us. Let's see how Shanahan game plans for the Eagles.

Pat Mahomes in the SB vs Tampa-Pressured on 49% of dropbacks, 26/49, 270 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, QBR of 42.

Brock Purdy vs Dallas-Pressured on 48.5% of dropbacks, 19/29, 214 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, QBR of 53.

Without watching the game sober (a second time), I felt like there were multiple dropbacks where Brock was pressured because he couldn't find a target to throw to. Meaning he had time to dropback, survey the field for a bit, DAL played good coverage, then Brock got pressured. So sure he got pressured but it was due to good coverage from DAL thus forcing Brock to hold the ball. Not every pressure was like this, but a handful were.

Which explains the average 3.64 seconds before pressure got to him. I posted this a few times yesterday. The O line did allow quick pressure here and there but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the 48.5% pressure rate would indicate. That is why pressure rate alone doesn't tell the whole story when judging pass protection. TTT tells you how well the coverage was holding up to allow pressure to get there.

Yes, agreed. I remember several times after playaction, Brock had plenty of time. Couldn't find anyone.

Our wrs just can't win 1v1 against good secondary unless kyle scheme them open. Need a wr that can box out and outjump a db when the ball is in the air.

I think Kittle, CMC are nightmares for the defense 1v1.

Aiyuk can also win 1v1.