QB Brock Purdy Thread

He's got the 2 things that make you elite as an NFL qb. The force in his head and footwork that rivals Montana's. Kyle can integrate even more west coast O concepts that Walsh used.

There obviously needs to be a little of both. You don't want some tall dude who's an idiot and you don't want a dude who is super smart but built like Danny Devito. You guys are splitting hairs. I tend to agree that most teams go for the sexy measurables and ignore heart, intelligence and drive that make people winners. We have had some QBs with wheels and they rely too much on their gifts to get them out of trouble when they can't read a defense. That will work sometimes but eventually your tendencies will get picked up and you become less effective. A smart QB who can't rely on his legs to get out of trouble has to process faster to be successful and will use his brain to outsmart a defense. Obviously they need accuracy as well but I'd take a slower QB with a good processor over some dude who's fast and makes boneheaded mistakes like Dak or Kyler Murray.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
There obviously needs to be a little of both. You don't want some tall dude who's an idiot and you don't want a dude who is super smart but built like Danny Devito. You guys are splitting hairs. I tend to agree that most teams go for the sexy measurables and ignore heart, intelligence and drive that make people winners. We have had some QBs with wheels and they rely too much on their gifts to get them out of trouble when they can't read a defense. That will work sometimes but eventually your tendencies will get picked up and you become less effective. A smart QB who can't rely on his legs to get out of trouble has to process faster to be successful and will use his brain to outsmart a defense. Obviously they need accuracy as well but I'd take a slower QB with a good processor over some dude who's fast and makes boneheaded mistakes like Dak or Kyler Murray.

Agreed.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
There obviously needs to be a little of both. You don't want some tall dude who's an idiot and you don't want a dude who is super smart but built like Danny Devito. You guys are splitting hairs. I tend to agree that most teams go for the sexy measurables and ignore heart, intelligence and drive that make people winners. We have had some QBs with wheels and they rely too much on their gifts to get them out of trouble when they can't read a defense. That will work sometimes but eventually your tendencies will get picked up and you become less effective. A smart QB who can't rely on his legs to get out of trouble has to process faster to be successful and will use his brain to outsmart a defense. Obviously they need accuracy as well but I'd take a slower QB with a good processor over some dude who's fast and makes boneheaded mistakes like Dak or Kyler Murray.

Yes,....it goes without saying that you want a guy with both. Guys that are like Kyler Murray don't exactly grow on trees. And should he lose his athleticism a bit,...he'll likely end up like the Russell Wilson we saw last year.

Just dropping another metric like speed here so that hopefully, mentions like this can be put to rest...


These are PFR numbers from 2000 thru 2017.

I know some of us here can post numbers day and night with no legit interpretation or meaning relative to other players, but charts and graphs with more than 1 variable really do put things into perspective.

What I find most notable about this chart is the sea of allowance for "exceptions to the rule" for 900 yards running better than a 4.5



The linear correlation is clearly evident,...but notice the sea of blankness in this range. The other 3 quadrants @ least have some representation but on average, if you are slower (4.7 or slower), your likelihood of early NFL success was virtually nonexistent.

The 4.86 extreme obeyed the expectation @ the bottom,...and the 4.23 extreme obeyed the expectation @ the top. There's a chart for pretty much every position that clearly tell us to pay attention to physical and testing measurements.

Tom Brady circa 2019....

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
There obviously needs to be a little of both. You don't want some tall dude who's an idiot and you don't want a dude who is super smart but built like Danny Devito. You guys are splitting hairs. I tend to agree that most teams go for the sexy measurables and ignore heart, intelligence and drive that make people winners. We have had some QBs with wheels and they rely too much on their gifts to get them out of trouble when they can't read a defense. That will work sometimes but eventually your tendencies will get picked up and you become less effective. A smart QB who can't rely on his legs to get out of trouble has to process faster to be successful and will use his brain to outsmart a defense. Obviously they need accuracy as well but I'd take a slower QB with a good processor over some dude who's fast and makes boneheaded mistakes like Dak or Kyler Murray.

Yes,....it goes without saying that you want a guy with both. Guys that are like Kyler Murray don't exactly grow on trees. And should he lose his athleticism a bit,...he'll likely end up like the Russell Wilson we saw last year.

Just dropping another metric like speed here so that hopefully, mentions like this can be put to rest...


These are PFR numbers from 2000 thru 2017.

I know some of us here can post numbers day and night with no legit interpretation or meaning relative to other players, but charts and graphs with more than 1 variable really do put things into perspective.

What I find most notable about this chart is the sea of allowance for "exceptions to the rule" for 900 yards running better than a 4.5



The linear correlation is clearly evident,...but notice the sea of blankness in this range. The other 3 quadrants @ least have some representation but on average, if you are slower (4.7 or slower), your likelihood of early NFL success was virtually nonexistent.

The 4.86 extreme obeyed the expectation @ the bottom,...and the 4.23 extreme obeyed the expectation @ the top. There's a chart for pretty much every position that clearly tell us to pay attention to physical and testing measurements.

Tom Brady circa 2019....

In 2019. I don't think TB's passes had that much velocity when he was coming out of college. In one off season Brock increased his velocity by 5 MPH. Who is to say that if Brock keeps tightening up his mechanics and keeps hitting that weight room that it won't continue to increase? Height ceiling is something you are born with. Arm strength is something that you can improve through training. Two completely different physical measurables.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
In 2019. I don't think TB's passes had that much velocity when he was coming out of college. In one off season Brock increased his velocity by 5 MPH. Who is to say that if Brock keeps tightening up his mechanics and keeps hitting that weight room that it won't continue to increase? Height ceiling is something you are born with. Arm strength is something that you can improve through training. Two completely different physical measurables.

Brady ABSOLUTELY improved his arm strength throughout his career. He had a very average arm early on but he improved it all throughout his career.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
In 2019. I don't think TB's passes had that much velocity when he was coming out of college.

I've mentioned a few times how hard these guys work at improving these numbers even after being drafted. And they do so because how high you jump, how fast you run, and how much force you can throw with all matter. I sincerely hope you dont believe that being smart is enough @ any position. Purdy's shuttle was off-the-charts, right? Notice the correlation in the next metric,...but yea...they constantly show up in terms of correlation:


If we're talking QB,...shuttle from the combine correlates right behind weight. And keep in mind that not many 5'9" QBs receive invitations to begin with when you look @ height,...lol.


https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2015/02/the-combine-actually-matters-part-2/

WR still being a tricky position in terms of testing (not in terms of the 40 as already shown),....but notice how high up there QB is. Free Safety = Instincts more than anything,...just ask Ed Reed.

But when we get to QB please notice that it's not some low-lying correlation. Testing results do correlate a great deal.

#Stats4Days

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
In 2019. I don't think TB's passes had that much velocity when he was coming out of college.

I've mentioned a few times how hard these guys work at improving these numbers even after being drafted. And they do so because how high you jump, how fast you run, and how much force you can throw with all matter. I sincerely hope you dont believe that being smart is enough @ any position. Purdy's shuttle was off-the-charts, right? Notice the correlation in the next metric,...but yea...they constantly show up in terms of correlation:


If we're talking QB,...shuttle from the combine correlates right behind weight. And keep in mind that not many 5'9" QBs receive invitations to begin with when you look @ height,...lol.


https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2015/02/the-combine-actually-matters-part-2/

WR still being a tricky position in terms of testing (not in terms of the 40 as already shown),....but notice how high up there QB is. Free Safety = Instincts more than anything,...just ask Ed Reed.

But when we get to QB please notice that it's not some low-lying correlation. Testing results do correlate a great deal.

#Stats4Days

I care more about mechanics, accuracy and processing more than I care about height and arm strength. Who cares if a QB can throw a 60 yard bomb when it was a bad decision? I would rather a QB throw an 8 yard pass on time with accuracy on 3rd down to keep the drive alive.

Crush the flock, Brock
🐓 > 🦅

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I disagree. The result in this game doesn't change anything. Tom Brady already proved you can win without superstar athletic tangible traits. He last won in the 2020 season, not too long ago.

Nope. Brady couldn't lift a weak team over Dak Prescott because Tom Brady has to have certain specific things in place in order to win. When I saw that game I said to myself that the game has passed Tom Brady by

You would be remiss to not think that Purdy being able to extend plays and buy guys time didn't help him vs SEA. Now he could not do that vs DAL athletic pass rushers but he did move the sticks once or twice nonetheless with his mobility

Jimmy was getting us to the chip but we didn't win and THATS the standard. When we got beat by Mahomes it sunk in to Kyle that he can scheme all he wants and even have the number one defense but when the chip is on the line a superstar talent like Mahomes can beat your defense and cause all types of conflict and break all the rules and transcend all you've planned and beat you

He made that trade up to select Trey to become a superstar. That's what Hurts had played like and that is what Purdy must beat. A Hurts a Mahomes a Joe Burrow. He has to actually go and beat these guys and if or when he does we won't need to second or third guess anything moving forward with him

I think it should be clear to 49er fans that winning it all is the only thing and that's why Kyle didn't settle on Jimmy and moved heaven and earth for Trey and yet here we are with Purdy so far doing all we could have hoped for as a backup. But now we need him to do more and win two games and then we can look beyond three firsts and some change and say we found our guy that can not just play well and get to the Super Bowl ala Jimmy G. We can say we have a Super Bowl winning franchise QB

Thats what we are looking for and we aren't settling for anything less. Jed York showed us that with Harbaugh and these coaching changes. Dude said getting to the Super Bowl ain't the goal. Winning is. We are not going to be satisfied until we win it all

Nope. Bady lost because he was too old.
Also QBs cannot win on their own.

Had a very Eli Manning Playoff type game against Dallas. Nothing amazingly flashy but made plays when he could and helped get the win.

Hopefully he has the same success as Eli when in the Playoffs.

My guess is, whatever good the scouts seen on tape of Brock, the negatives they put on him out weighs it. Too short, small hands, arms too short, WTF turnover highlights. I read somewhere the Niners initially looked into him in his junior year. I don't think anybody could've projected that he wouldnt missed a beat playing in the NFL coming straight from college-- Iowa St. lol

The amazing part is, he's doing the same good stuff he been doing in college with NFL opposing talents. Filtering out the bad stuff.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
There obviously needs to be a little of both. You don't want some tall dude who's an idiot and you don't want a dude who is super smart but built like Danny Devito. You guys are splitting hairs. I tend to agree that most teams go for the sexy measurables and ignore heart, intelligence and drive that make people winners. We have had some QBs with wheels and they rely too much on their gifts to get them out of trouble when they can't read a defense. That will work sometimes but eventually your tendencies will get picked up and you become less effective. A smart QB who can't rely on his legs to get out of trouble has to process faster to be successful and will use his brain to outsmart a defense. Obviously they need accuracy as well but I'd take a slower QB with a good processor over some dude who's fast and makes boneheaded mistakes like Dak or Kyler Murray.

Kyle himself said he ideally wants Drew Brees in the pocket with Lamar Jackson athleticism but even then that is not necessarily realistic so you have to do the best you can to find a guy you can win with consistently however that may be

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Nope. Bady lost because he was too old.
Also QBs cannot win on their own.

Prime Brady wasn't gonna beat Dallas with that team he had around him. Honestly you'd have to be Mahomes to have won that game with that TB roster and Vs that Dallas team

Brady in his prime always took less money than the rest of the idiots because he knew he needed talent around him to win. Yes all QBs need help but Brady seemed to know this more than most that wanted to absorb 20% of the salary cap

Mahomes is the only QB worth what he's paid amongst the top QB salaries because with that guy it doesn't take much above the norm to ensure you're in the AFCCG annually