QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by Montana:
Brock likes George Strait, as an old school Nevadan, I approve:). I wonder if his favorite tune is Ocean Front Property in Arizona 🎶 lol.

I tried to buy Ocean Front Property in Arizona once, but I don't think they understood what an ocean was....

They didn't understand or were they just trying to accommodate your want ?

Originally posted by Furlow:
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Or course certain physical characteristic thresholds need to be met. No one is arguing against that. We're saying that "elite" measurables don't necessarily translate to a winning QB formula. And none of the all time greats had/have elite physical measurables. So why continue coveting them?

As long as the players measurable are "enough" - then really the most important part is what's between their ears. Having a cannon and speed is fun and helpful, no doubt, but you shouldn't disregard a player just cause they don't have it. "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard".

something I've learned throughout my life is that a lot of people think they work hard, but really don't. That is poison for the mind. It creates this illusion in their mind about their preparation and all that.

That's my opinion.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
In 2019. I don't think TB's passes had that much velocity when he was coming out of college.

I've mentioned a few times how hard these guys work at improving these numbers even after being drafted. And they do so because how high you jump, how fast you run, and how much force you can throw with all matter. I sincerely hope you dont believe that being smart is enough @ any position. Purdy's shuttle was off-the-charts, right? Notice the correlation in the next metric,...but yea...they constantly show up in terms of correlation:


If we're talking QB,...shuttle from the combine correlates right behind weight. And keep in mind that not many 5'9" QBs receive invitations to begin with when you look @ height,...lol.


https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2015/02/the-combine-actually-matters-part-2/

WR still being a tricky position in terms of testing (not in terms of the 40 as already shown),....but notice how high up there QB is. Free Safety = Instincts more than anything,...just ask Ed Reed.

But when we get to QB please notice that it's not some low-lying correlation. Testing results do correlate a great deal.

#Stats4Days

wonder how these charts deal with guys that simply don't work out at the combine.

It seems like many top prospects that know they don't have elite performance numbers simply don't work out.

Also its 2015... as far as QB's go that was a craptastic draft for QBs. I wonder how they deal with Taylor Heinicke being arguably better then all the other QBs drafted outside of 1 and 2. If both Heinicke and Winston both became FAs tomorrow...odds are a fair amount of teams would actually prefer Heinicke. (reminder Heinicke never worked out and went undrafted)

I like the idea, but they need a much larger sample size, and need it go past the first 3 years. Then they need to compare it some sort of base level of performance. Versus Their own in house metrics brew that I am not going bother reading about.

Saying Mariota did better then Winston his first 3 years so this and this measurable must be more important is not very helpful. Make no mistake that is basically what they are saying in this report since the same size is 7 QBs and the bottom 4 guys had less then 400 total passes combined in their entire careers to this day let alone the very small sample size of 3 years. I would bet if I bothered to look at passing attempts the top 2 QBs account for over 95% of the snaps taken by the entire class in the sample size window.

What are the odds instead of a game manager type game.. what are the odds he goes off in this one.. like vs SEA?

We are two great games from BP away from having perhaps a true FQB on our hands here

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Or course certain physical characteristic thresholds need to be met. No one is arguing against that. We're saying that "elite" measurables don't necessarily translate to a winning QB formula. And none of the all time greats had/have elite physical measurables. So why continue coveting them?

As long as the players measurable are "enough" - then really the most important part is what's between their ears. Having a cannon and speed is fun and helpful, no doubt, but you shouldn't disregard a player just cause they don't have it. "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard".

something I've learned throughout my life is that a lot of people think they work hard, but really don't. That is poison for the mind. It creates this illusion in their mind about their preparation and all that.

That's my opinion.

I'm with you 100%. I think people that are naturally gifted tend to not work as hard because they've never had to. So it makes sense that the players who are the best every aren't the ones with the most natural talent. They've had to work for everything, and as you said, hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Or course certain physical characteristic thresholds need to be met. No one is arguing against that. We're saying that "elite" measurables don't necessarily translate to a winning QB formula. And none of the all time greats had/have elite physical measurables. So why continue coveting them?

Mahomes is gonna end up being an all time great and he's got some pretty damn good measurables

Tom Brady is GOAT and he didn't have good measurables. Joe Montana didn't have good measurables either.

We don't know how Mahomes' career will play out. Maybe he will be GOAT, maybe not.

Brady is once a generation, you can't use him as a fair comparison.

And maybe know what you're talking about first when discussing Joe. Joe was a solid athlete for his time. His back injury later on made him more of a statue in the pocket, but he was a good athlete coming into the NFL.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Or course certain physical characteristic thresholds need to be met. No one is arguing against that. We're saying that "elite" measurables don't necessarily translate to a winning QB formula. And none of the all time greats had/have elite physical measurables. So why continue coveting them?

Elway did. Probably the best measurables in history.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
What are the odds instead of a game manager type game.. what are the odds he goes off in this one.. like vs SEA?

We are two great games from BP away from having perhaps a true FQB on our hands here

I think we will be able to gash them with inside runs which will force them to bring their LB's up and SS into the box. Then some chunk pass plays will open up. No need for us to do 5-7 step drop backs and give their pass rush time to get to Purdy. I like our chances A LOT.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Brady is once a generation, you can't use him as a fair comparison.

And maybe know what you're talking about first when discussing Joe. Joe was a solid athlete for his time. His back injury later on made him more of a statue in the pocket, but he was a good athlete coming into the NFL.

Key word is "good". Which means he wasn't an elite athlete or elite arm.

we could argue that mahommes is a once in a generational talent as well.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Or course certain physical characteristic thresholds need to be met. No one is arguing against that. We're saying that "elite" measurables don't necessarily translate to a winning QB formula. And none of the all time greats had/have elite physical measurables. So why continue coveting them?

Elway did. Probably the best measurables in history.

Elway is so overrated. Career passer rating of 79.9, which isn't even good for that era. He lost three Super Bowls (badly) and only won once the Broncos run game was the focal point, not him. He gets credit for getting over the hump and winning the SB at least. But he's not sniffing the top 10-15 of all-time in my opinion.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
What are the odds instead of a game manager type game.. what are the odds he goes off in this one.. like vs SEA?

We are two great games from BP away from having perhaps a true FQB on our hands here

I think we will be able to gash them with inside runs which will force them to bring their LB's up and SS into the box. Then some chunk pass plays will open up. No need for us to do 5-7 step drop backs and give their pass rush time to get to Purdy. I like our chances A LOT.

I watched a eagles content creator on youtube yesterday. They said that the eagles use dominantly 2 high safeties. I was wondering how much that changes when they play us because of our run game and dominantly in breaking passing routes? It will be interesting to see how quickly they change to MOFC tactic and if they will find any success doing that.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Or course certain physical characteristic thresholds need to be met. No one is arguing against that. We're saying that "elite" measurables don't necessarily translate to a winning QB formula. And none of the all time greats had/have elite physical measurables. So why continue coveting them?

Elway did. Probably the best measurables in history.

Elway is so overrated. Career passer rating of 79.9, which isn't even good for that era. He lost three Super Bowls (badly) and only won once the Broncos run game was the focal point, not him. He gets credit for getting over the hump and winning the SB at least. But he's not sniffing the top 10-15 of all-time in my opinion.

Honestly this is a silly thing to argue. Having elite measurables absolutely helps. Plenty of passers with elite physical skills have flushed out but then you have far more guys lacking those elite tools that never made it into the NFL in the first place and a whole lot of Christian Ponders and even more so the Ken Dorseys that washed out.

If Purdy is successful long term then he'll be just another outlier. It happens. You draft enough guys, some inevitably fall through the cracks. You're going to have successful players that went 6th, 7th or undrafted. You just have to keep your eyes open and hope to get lucky.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Or course certain physical characteristic thresholds need to be met. No one is arguing against that. We're saying that "elite" measurables don't necessarily translate to a winning QB formula. And none of the all time greats had/have elite physical measurables. So why continue coveting them?

Elway did. Probably the best measurables in history.

Elway is so overrated. Career passer rating of 79.9, which isn't even good for that era. He lost three Super Bowls (badly) and only won once the Broncos run game was the focal point, not him. He gets credit for getting over the hump and winning the SB at least. But he's not sniffing the top 10-15 of all-time in my opinion.

You got to look at total overall team too. The teams he was on at least the early ones were not the best overall. Therefore they lost. When he got a better offensive line and RB he won.

But the point of a lot of all time greats not having elite measurables is true. They have elite between the ears and make accurate throws. You know like Brock Purdy. I would rather have that 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. Compared to elite skills who can't process. Which there are a lot of out there.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Or course certain physical characteristic thresholds need to be met. No one is arguing against that. We're saying that "elite" measurables don't necessarily translate to a winning QB formula. And none of the all time greats had/have elite physical measurables. So why continue coveting them?

Elway did. Probably the best measurables in history.

Elway is so overrated. Career passer rating of 79.9, which isn't even good for that era. He lost three Super Bowls (badly) and only won once the Broncos run game was the focal point, not him. He gets credit for getting over the hump and winning the SB at least. But he's not sniffing the top 10-15 of all-time in my opinion.

I'm talking about his tools. Which are probably the best of all time. Arm strength as good as anyone in history he broke WRs hands with his velo. Elite runner as QB.

With Papa Shanny recall they were essentially unbeatable (39-9 three year stretch) and they fell off a cliff to 6-10 when he retired.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
You got to look at total overall team too. The teams he was on at least the early ones were not the best overall. Therefore they lost. When he got a better offensive line and RB he won.

But the point of a lot of all time greats not having elite measurables is true. They have elite between the ears and make accurate throws. You know like Brock Purdy. I would rather have that 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. Compared to elite skills who can't process. Which there are a lot of out there.

Elway was a freak. Cannon arm and tremendous mobility, he had Bill Walsh looking into trading Montana for him. Everyone that evaluates or coaches QBs is looking for that elusive unicorn. You find that guy with the drive and clutch factor like Brady, the computer like processing of Peyton Manning with an arm like Allen or Mahomes and the scrambling ability of Steve Young and you should win every SB for years to come.

You don't need elite physical traits necessarily but you don't stop looking for them. That's why the 49ers went all in on Lance.

Every now and then though you find a late round gem, you find a Matt Hasselbeck, a Marc Bulger or even a Tony Romo or Kurt Warner and once in a lifetime you find a Tom Brady. Then you ride that guy as long as you can until something better shows up.