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Originally posted by Dshearn:
wonder how these charts deal with guys that simply don't work out at the combine.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
You got to look at total overall team too. The teams he was on at least the early ones were not the best overall. Therefore they lost. When he got a better offensive line and RB he won.
But the point of a lot of all time greats not having elite measurables is true. They have elite between the ears and make accurate throws. You know like Brock Purdy. I would rather have that 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. Compared to elite skills who can't process. Which there are a lot of out there.
Elway was a freak. Cannon arm and tremendous mobility, he had Bill Walsh looking into trading Montana for him. Everyone that evaluates or coaches QBs is looking for that elusive unicorn. You find that guy with the drive and clutch factor like Brady, the computer like processing of Peyton Manning with an arm like Allen or Mahomes and the scrambling ability of Steve Young and you should win every SB for years to come.
You don't need elite physical traits necessarily but you don't stop looking for them. That's why the 49ers went all in on Lance.
Every now and then though you find a late round gem, you find a Matt Hasselbeck, a Marc Bulger or even a Tony Romo or Kurt Warner and once in a lifetime you find a Tom Brady. Then you ride that guy as long as you can until something better shows up.
Originally posted by thl408:
If the 49ers are committed to Brock long term, I think prioritizing interior pass protection must be done. Saints did this to ensure no quick pressure got into Brees' face. Edge pressure can be avoided by stepping up in the pocket, but interior pressure is very bothersome for a short QB. 'Adequate' is not good enough, interior pass pro must be good.
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
I would be surprised if BCB can't throw it 70 yards in the air, that's pretty standard distance for NFL QB arm imo
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
For sure a lot of those are true. But the point being that draft evaluation and draft status if often wrong. Which is why people don't want to give credit to Purdy. But elite processing and between the ears how you see the game is more important than physical skills. The most important physical skill is throwing with accuracy. Which Purdy has. You don't often throw 70 yards. It's once a season. Like Herbert and it makes all the highlights. Cool but not necessary to win lots of games or even advance deep into the playoffs. Montana and Young didn't have Justin Herbert's arm for example. You don't really need that. Yeah it's cool and could help on an end of game hail marry but doesn't come into play much.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
I would be surprised if BCB can't throw it 70 yards in the air, that's pretty standard distance for NFL QB arm imo
Pretty standard is about 50 - 50+. Not everybody can throw it 70 and it doesn't matter anyway. You don't have to.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by thl408:
If the 49ers are committed to Brock long term, I think prioritizing interior pass protection must be done. Saints did this to ensure no quick pressure got into Brees' face. Edge pressure can be avoided by stepping up in the pocket, but interior pressure is very bothersome for a short QB. 'Adequate' is not good enough, interior pass pro must be good.
If this team had an elite RT Purdy = Drew Brees. Imagine his elite processing skills and accuracy with time to stand in there and throw. It would be ridiculous.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by thl408:
If the 49ers are committed to Brock long term, I think prioritizing interior pass protection must be done. Saints did this to ensure no quick pressure got into Brees' face. Edge pressure can be avoided by stepping up in the pocket, but interior pressure is very bothersome for a short QB. 'Adequate' is not good enough, interior pass pro must be good.
If this team had an elite RT Purdy = Drew Brees. Imagine his elite processing skills and accuracy with time to stand in there and throw. It would be ridiculous.
Brunskill and Burford are adequate at the moment, while Burford can still improve since he's so young. The team should continue to fortify that part of the OL if they commit to Brock. For example, if Brock is the man going into 2023, use some day 2 picks on interior OL if the draft shakes out that way while waiting on other positions of need such as secondary/DT for day 3.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by thl408:
If the 49ers are committed to Brock long term, I think prioritizing interior pass protection must be done. Saints did this to ensure no quick pressure got into Brees' face. Edge pressure can be avoided by stepping up in the pocket, but interior pressure is very bothersome for a short QB. 'Adequate' is not good enough, interior pass pro must be good.
If this team had an elite RT Purdy = Drew Brees. Imagine his elite processing skills and accuracy with time to stand in there and throw. It would be ridiculous.
Brunskill and Burford are adequate at the moment, while Burford can still improve since he's so young. The team should continue to fortify that part of the OL if they commit to Brock. For example, if Brock is the man going into 2023, use some day 2 picks on interior OL if the draft shakes out that way while waiting on other positions of need such as secondary/DT for day 3.
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
I would be surprised if BCB can't throw it 70 yards in the air, that's pretty standard distance for NFL QB arm imo
Pretty standard is about 50 - 50+. Not everybody can throw it 70 and it doesn't matter anyway. You don't have to.
You'd be surprised, most HS QBs can throw it at least 50
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
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If this team had an elite RT Purdy = Drew Brees. Imagine his elite processing skills and accuracy with time to stand in there and throw. It would be ridiculous.
Brunskill and Burford are adequate at the moment, while Burford can still improve since he's so young. The team should continue to fortify that part of the OL if they commit to Brock. For example, if Brock is the man going into 2023, use some day 2 picks on interior OL if the draft shakes out that way while waiting on other positions of need such as secondary/DT for day 3.
In your opinion is Brendel adequate? He will be a FA, so if he is good he won't be cheap to bring back.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
For sure a lot of those are true. But the point being that draft evaluation and draft status if often wrong. Which is why people don't want to give credit to Purdy. But elite processing and between the ears how you see the game is more important than physical skills. The most important physical skill is throwing with accuracy. Which Purdy has. You don't often throw 70 yards. It's once a season. Like Herbert and it makes all the highlights. Cool but not necessary to win lots of games or even advance deep into the playoffs. Montana and Young didn't have Justin Herbert's arm for example. You don't really need that. Yeah it's cool and could help on an end of game hail marry but doesn't come into play much.
Says the guy who was lusting after Herbert all offseason
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by thl408:
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Brunskill and Burford are adequate at the moment, while Burford can still improve since he's so young. The team should continue to fortify that part of the OL if they commit to Brock. For example, if Brock is the man going into 2023, use some day 2 picks on interior OL if the draft shakes out that way while waiting on other positions of need such as secondary/DT for day 3.
In your opinion is Brendel adequate? He will be a FA, so if he is good he won't be cheap to bring back.
I thought he was not good to start the year, but got better as the year progressed. He's good. Someone with advanced stats might have the numbers to show how well each individual was at pass pro. I'd love to have an interior OL where they each are at the top of pass block win% (or whichever stat shows they are good at pass pro). That would go a long way in setting up Brock for success.