QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Meh Brees made them look better than they were. McCoy is a good player but Ruiz and Peet aren't.

We're talking about prime Saints OL, when they won the SB. They had absolutely outstanding lines during that time.

LT-Jermon Bushrod
LG-Carl Nicks
C-Jonathan Goodwin
RG-Jhari Evans
RT-Matt Stinchcomb

The interior was especially stout. Physically they would wreck people. All three of those guys were Pro Bowlers. Evans was the most dominant guard in football. Stinchcomb was the only guy on that line that had been a 1st rounder. Everyone else was drafted 4th round or later.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Meh Brees made them look better than they were. McCoy is a good player but Ruiz and Peet aren't.

We're talking about prime Saints OL, when they won the SB. They had absolutely outstanding lines during that time.

LT-Jermaine Bushrod
LG-Carl Nicks
C-Jonathan Goodwin
RG-Jhari Evans
RT-Matt Stinchcomb.

The interior was especially stout. Physically they would wreck people. All three of those guys were Pro Bowlers. Evans was the most dominant guard in football.

And Evans was a 4th rd pick. Nicks was a 5th rd pick. Jonathan Goodwin was also a 5th rd pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Meh Brees made them look better than they were. McCoy is a good player but Ruiz and Peet aren't.

We're talking about prime Saints OL, when they won the SB. They had absolutely outstanding lines during that time.

LT-Jermaine Bushrod
LG-Carl Nicks
C-Jonathan Goodwin
RG-Jhari Evans
RT-Matt Stinchcomb.

The interior was especially stout. Physically they would wreck people. All three of those guys were Pro Bowlers. Evans was the most dominant guard in football.

And Evans was a 4th rd pick. Nicks was a 5th rd pick. Jonathan Goodwin was also a 5th rd pick.

Point is they were good. Doesn't matter where they came from.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Meh Brees made them look better than they were. McCoy is a good player but Ruiz and Peet aren't.

We're talking about prime Saints OL, when they won the SB. They had absolutely outstanding lines during that time.

LT-Jermaine Bushrod
LG-Carl Nicks
C-Jonathan Goodwin
RG-Jhari Evans
RT-Matt Stinchcomb.

The interior was especially stout. Physically they would wreck people. All three of those guys were Pro Bowlers. Evans was the most dominant guard in football.

And Evans was a 4th rd pick. Nicks was a 5th rd pick. Jonathan Goodwin was also a 5th rd pick.

Point is they were good. Doesn't matter where they came from.

oh but it does my friend, but it does

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
No where near Allen though. Or Herbert. And remember, the consensus was Mahomes was way over drafted and should have been a 2nd or 3rd round project. So that example proves my point.

Lot of that was because people thought he'd take a lot longer to develop. Not his toolbox.

Mahomes may not quite have their arm but it's damn close. He's easily as athletic as both of those guys. Depends on what measurables we are talking about.

We saying Mahomes is lacking in arm talent?

excuse me..

Pure power? Mahomes is not near Allen nor Herbert. But that's my point. "Arm talent" is about much more than just strength. That's why it drives me crazy that people say Purdy lacks arm talent. Ability to throw from different arm angles and foot positions is absolutely a talent.

Your last post brought up a good point about this discussion, and that's the meshing of QB and coach. Purdy and Kyle are special. Doesn't mean either/both would be special with ANY other QB/coach. So when we're comparing QB's, it's important to take that into account.

For instance, the vast majority of people would say Montana was better than Marino. But there are a few who say Marino was better, and give the excuse about Montana having a better coach, weapons, etc. Which may be true, but to me you have to just judge it based on the situation they're in, and not add a bunch of qualifiers - otherwise the conversation just devolves to who has the best measurables.

I think our interior is young and talented. All for bringing in whomever, but imo they need to replace RT…. whether you like it or not McG is gonna get a bag this off season.

They need DB help as well. We're losing Jimmie Ward and he's been damn good for years. He can play wherever. Who got a ? at nickel. We got a ? at safety. Who we got opposite Ward? Lenoir the guy?

I think we're at the point where Kinlaw isn't gonna be that interior force we were hoping for, we need help there and like always they're gonna stock up at DE.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
oh but it does my friend, but it does

Indeed

Jason Poe gonna show what he can do next year

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Meh Brees made them look better than they were. McCoy is a good player but Ruiz and Peet aren't.

We're talking about prime Saints OL, when they won the SB. They had absolutely outstanding lines during that time.

LT-Jermaine Bushrod
LG-Carl Nicks
C-Jonathan Goodwin
RG-Jhari Evans
RT-Matt Stinchcomb.

The interior was especially stout. Physically they would wreck people. All three of those guys were Pro Bowlers. Evans was the most dominant guard in football.

And Evans was a 4th rd pick. Nicks was a 5th rd pick. Jonathan Goodwin was also a 5th rd pick.

Point is they were good. Doesn't matter where they came from.

I understand that, my point is you don't have to pay top money or spend high picks to get really good interior lineman. They're a perfect example of that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I understand that, my point is you don't have to pay top money or spend high picks to get really good interior lineman. They're a perfect example of that.

If the 9ers can get a potential franchise QB with the last pick imagine what the can draft at guard

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Meh Brees made them look better than they were. McCoy is a good player but Ruiz and Peet aren't.

We're talking about prime Saints OL, when they won the SB. They had absolutely outstanding lines during that time.

LT-Jermaine Bushrod
LG-Carl Nicks
C-Jonathan Goodwin
RG-Jhari Evans
RT-Matt Stinchcomb.

The interior was especially stout. Physically they would wreck people. All three of those guys were Pro Bowlers. Evans was the most dominant guard in football.

And Evans was a 4th rd pick. Nicks was a 5th rd pick. Jonathan Goodwin was also a 5th rd pick.

Point is they were good. Doesn't matter where they came from.

I understand that, my point is you don't have to pay top money or spend high picks to get really good interior lineman. They're a perfect example of that.

Understood. My point when I first posted about interior OL is that the team should prioritize getting good interior OL to give Brock a clean pocket - that serviceable/adequate is not good enough. I could say that for any QB, but it's more important for a short QB to not have pressure right in his face.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I understand that, my point is you don't have to pay top money or spend high picks to get really good interior lineman. They're a perfect example of that.

If the 9ers can get a potential franchise QB with the last pick imagine what the can draft at guard

A lot of a players success in the league, regardless of where they are drafted, depends on who drafts them/scheme/coaching. We often see good players go to bad situations and it doesn't work out - but then the player is crowned a bust.

lynch is actually really good at finding other teams cast offs that were misused and getting a lot out of them (Willis, omenihu, hyder, arden key etc - there are more). It's really impressive

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I understand that, my point is you don't have to pay top money or spend high picks to get really good interior lineman. They're a perfect example of that.

If the 9ers can get a potential franchise QB with the last pick imagine what the can draft at guard

why imagine when you can view the Chilo Rachal wikipedia page

Originally posted by thl408:
Understood. My point when I first posted about interior OL is that the team should prioritize getting good interior OL to give Brock a clean pocket - that serviceable/adequate is not good enough. I could say that for any QB, but it's more important for a short QB to not have pressure right in his face.

I would argue that we are set up at guards with banks and burford. We should start looking at drafting tackles to develop (we have one guys we are developing) as Williams is getting older and McG may not return because we can't pay him.

even though our center is a pro bowl alternate, we should look into getting another guy to develop for the next season or two.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I understand that, my point is you don't have to pay top money or spend high picks to get really good interior lineman. They're a perfect example of that.

If the 9ers can get a potential franchise QB with the last pick imagine what the can draft at guard

Yeah overall I thought our IOL played pretty well given the lack of reps these guys had.

Get what everyone else is saying though, Brock was pressured at an absurd amount last week.

Originally posted by thl408:
Understood. My point when I first posted about interior OL is that the team should prioritize getting good interior OL to give Brock a clean pocket - that serviceable/adequate is not good enough. I could say that for any QB, but it's more important for a short QB to not have pressure right in his face.

Totally get it. Not sure where that's all gonna come from though lol. I'm not seeing much in FA. I've always been a Dalton Risner fan but I just don't see them putting down bunch of cash there.

I think it's gonna be more developing with who we got and drafting some guys on day 3