QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by thl408:
Understood. My point when I first posted about interior OL is that the team should prioritize getting good interior OL to give Brock a clean pocket - that serviceable/adequate is not good enough. I could say that for any QB, but it's more important for a short QB to not have pressure right in his face.

I would argue that we are set up at guards with banks and burford. We should start looking at drafting tackles to develop (we have one guys we are developing) as Williams is getting older and McG may not return because we can't pay him.

even though our center is a pro bowl alternate, we should look into getting another guy to develop for the next season or two.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I would argue that we are set up at guards with banks and burford. We should start looking at drafting tackles to develop (we have one guys we are developing) as Williams is getting older and McG may not return because we can't pay him.

even though our center is a pro bowl alternate, we should look into getting another guy to develop for the next season or two.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I would argue that we are set up at guards with banks and burford. We should start looking at drafting tackles to develop (we have one guys we are developing) as Williams is getting older and McG may not return because we can't pay him.

even though our center is a pro bowl alternate, we should look into getting another guy to develop for the next season or two.

I like Jarrett Patterson out of ND in the draft. I haven't gotten into the who draft yet. No idea where he's projected to go.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Meh Brees made them look better than they were. McCoy is a good player but Ruiz and Peet aren't.

We're talking about prime Saints OL, when they won the SB. They had absolutely outstanding lines during that time.

LT-Jermaine Bushrod
LG-Carl Nicks
C-Jonathan Goodwin
RG-Jhari Evans
RT-Matt Stinchcomb.

The interior was especially stout. Physically they would wreck people. All three of those guys were Pro Bowlers. Evans was the most dominant guard in football.

And Evans was a 4th rd pick. Nicks was a 5th rd pick. Jonathan Goodwin was also a 5th rd pick.

Point is they were good. Doesn't matter where they came from.

I understand that, my point is you don't have to pay top money or spend high picks to get really good interior lineman. They're a perfect example of that.

Understood. My point when I first posted about interior OL is that the team should prioritize getting good interior OL to give Brock a clean pocket - that serviceable/adequate is not good enough. I could say that for any QB, but it's more important for a short QB to not have pressure right in his face.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Updated Adjusted Quarterback Efficiency (AQE) through the Divisional Round.

- Lawrence moves up to 2nd (!!)

- Allen and Jones falling

- Purdy still with the biggest negative adjustment, going from 2nd to 14th

- Can discount Tannehill, Tua and Jimmy a bit for smaller samples pic.twitter.com/bdcKr9WIoA

— Kevin Cole (@KevinCole___) January 26, 2023

Originally posted by Jcool:

Updated Adjusted Quarterback Efficiency (AQE) through the Divisional Round.

- Lawrence moves up to 2nd (!!)

- Allen and Jones falling

- Purdy still with the biggest negative adjustment, going from 2nd to 14th

- Can discount Tannehill, Tua and Jimmy a bit for smaller samples pic.twitter.com/bdcKr9WIoA

— Kevin Cole (@KevinCole___) January 26, 2023

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Meh Brees made them look better than they were. McCoy is a good player but Ruiz and Peet aren't.

We're talking about prime Saints OL, when they won the SB. They had absolutely outstanding lines during that time.

LT-Jermaine Bushrod
LG-Carl Nicks
C-Jonathan Goodwin
RG-Jhari Evans
RT-Matt Stinchcomb.

The interior was especially stout. Physically they would wreck people. All three of those guys were Pro Bowlers. Evans was the most dominant guard in football.

And Evans was a 4th rd pick. Nicks was a 5th rd pick. Jonathan Goodwin was also a 5th rd pick.

Point is they were good. Doesn't matter where they came from.

I understand that, my point is you don't have to pay top money or spend high picks to get really good interior lineman. They're a perfect example of that.

Understood. My point when I first posted about interior OL is that the team should prioritize getting good interior OL to give Brock a clean pocket - that serviceable/adequate is not good enough. I could say that for any QB, but it's more important for a short QB to not have pressure right in his face.

Still asking...are you willing to sacrifice guys that are very good run blockers as well to improve the interior OL?

Because guys that are usually excellent @ 1, aren't excellent @ both.

Originally posted by NCommand:
NC just sitting over here watching thl/Phoenix talk OL and the importance of interior PP with 9ers4eva and NY85.

Is this real life? LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:
NC just sitting over here watching thl/Phoenix talk OL and the importance of interior PP with 9ers4eva and NY85.

Is this real life? LOL

Despite the success of the Chase pick, it was clear the Bengals had to upgrade their front five. They dedicated the 2022 offseason to doing just that, using free agency to add right guard Alex Cappa on a four-year, $35 million deal, center Ted Karras on a three-year $18 million deal and right tackle La'el Collins on a three-year, $21 million deal. In the 2022 NFL Draft, they used a fourth-round pick on North Dakota State's Cordell Volson, who quickly took over as the team's starting left guard. Only Williams retained his starting spot on the line from the year prior. One would expect so many additions, positive ones, would lead to massive improvement for the Bengals as a pass-blocking unit.

Well, that just hasn't been the case. Burrow was sacked 41 times in the regular season, the sixth most in the league. While Karras and Cappa were massive upgrades on true pass sets, earning grades of 72.5 and 69.2, respectively, Williams didn't show much improvement with a 65.2 grade and surrendered a league-high nine sacks (13 if you count non-true pass sets). Volson endured the typical struggles you'd expect out of a rookie mid-rounder, finishing with a 56.5 grade, and Collins was a turnstile with a 40.6 grade. As a unit, the Bengals graded out to a 56.9 pass-blocking mark. Only the Tennessee Titans graded lower, but they were so ravaged by injuries that they had five linemen on injured reserve by the end of the season, including three starters.

In all, the Bengals spent $74 million in free agency to barely improve their offensive line. Yet, it hasn't seemed to matter a whole lot, as the Bengals repeated as AFC North champions with a 12-4 record and, as of this writing, are preparing to square off with the Buffalo Bills in the AFC divisional round. So, how is it possible that the Bengals barely improved what was one of the worst offensive lines in the league but as a team are just as good as, if not better than, the team that nearly won the Super Bowl last year?

The answer to that may be a lot simpler than some think. It's that Burrow thrives in the quick-passing game. In 2022, only Tom Brady got the ball out quicker on average than Burrow did, (2.31 seconds per throw vs. 2.50), and nobody was better on passes released in under 2.5 seconds, as Burrow's passing grade of 89.7 and 18 big-time throws both led the league.

No, the Bengals didn't really improve their offensive line this offseason, but with Burrow at quarterback, did they really need to?

The answer to that may be a lot simpler than some think. It's that Burrow thrives in the quick-passing game. In 2022, only Tom Brady got the ball out quicker on average than Burrow did, (2.31 seconds per throw vs. 2.50), and nobody was better on passes released in under 2.5 seconds, as Burrow's passing grade of 89.7 and 18 big-time throws both led the league.

No, the Bengals didn't really improve their offensive line this offseason, but with Burrow at quarterback, did they really need to?
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-cincinnati-bengals-offensive-line-didnt-improve-2022-did-it-matter

Originally posted by random49er:

Despite the success of the Chase pick, it was clear the Bengals had to upgrade their front five. They dedicated the 2022 offseason to doing just that, using free agency to add right guard Alex Cappa on a four-year, $35 million deal, center Ted Karras on a three-year $18 million deal and right tackle La'el Collins on a three-year, $21 million deal. In the 2022 NFL Draft, they used a fourth-round pick on North Dakota State's Cordell Volson, who quickly took over as the team's starting left guard. Only Williams retained his starting spot on the line from the year prior. One would expect so many additions, positive ones, would lead to massive improvement for the Bengals as a pass-blocking unit.

Well, that just hasn't been the case. Burrow was sacked 41 times in the regular season, the sixth most in the league. While Karras and Cappa were massive upgrades on true pass sets, earning grades of 72.5 and 69.2, respectively, Williams didn't show much improvement with a 65.2 grade and surrendered a league-high nine sacks (13 if you count non-true pass sets). Volson endured the typical struggles you'd expect out of a rookie mid-rounder, finishing with a 56.5 grade, and Collins was a turnstile with a 40.6 grade. As a unit, the Bengals graded out to a 56.9 pass-blocking mark. Only the Tennessee Titans graded lower, but they were so ravaged by injuries that they had five linemen on injured reserve by the end of the season, including three starters.

In all, the Bengals spent $74 million in free agency to barely improve their offensive line. Yet, it hasn't seemed to matter a whole lot, as the Bengals repeated as AFC North champions with a 12-4 record and, as of this writing, are preparing to square off with the Buffalo Bills in the AFC divisional round. So, how is it possible that the Bengals barely improved what was one of the worst offensive lines in the league but as a team are just as good as, if not better than, the team that nearly won the Super Bowl last year?

The answer to that may be a lot simpler than some think. It's that Burrow thrives in the quick-passing game. In 2022, only Tom Brady got the ball out quicker on average than Burrow did, (2.31 seconds per throw vs. 2.50), and nobody was better on passes released in under 2.5 seconds, as Burrow's passing grade of 89.7 and 18 big-time throws both led the league.

No, the Bengals didn't really improve their offensive line this offseason, but with Burrow at quarterback, did they really need to?

The answer to that may be a lot simpler than some think. It's that Burrow thrives in the quick-passing game. In 2022, only Tom Brady got the ball out quicker on average than Burrow did, (2.31 seconds per throw vs. 2.50), and nobody was better on passes released in under 2.5 seconds, as Burrow's passing grade of 89.7 and 18 big-time throws both led the league.

No, the Bengals didn't really improve their offensive line this offseason, but with Burrow at quarterback, did they really need to?
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-cincinnati-bengals-offensive-line-didnt-improve-2022-did-it-matter

As it says....in all, the Bengals spent $74 million in FA to barely improve their unit. That kinda stuff can still be a crapshoot.

I mean I want All-Pros signed longterm @ every position, but it's good to be realistic as well with these things. Resigning some of the guys we already have (McGlinchey, Bosa, Aiyuk) would be a huge win.