QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Disp:
Every quarterback has picks dropped against them. Brock is no luckier than anyone else in that respect. Hell, the Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt.

Call it whatever. We've caught alot of breaks with this thus far. Just dont want people piling on him when they begin coming in spurts and are like "What changed??" Stuff like this happens alot.

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Maybe since you just joined the board a few days ago (if not a PBM) I'll give you the excuse; but yes every game in the playoffs which is what the conversation was about. Against both Seattle and the Cowboys he got lucky with some dropped picks and that's not even debatable. Some of you have waaaaay to rosy colored glasses on right now thinking you know more than Cossell and denying that luck has most definitely been on Purdys side with a bunch of his throws.

You lost me with your comment. I joined last week to post a link to a Dallas morning show wishing injuries on CMC, even though I couldn't post it.

Not sure what that has to do with anything about the over statement of Purdy throwing picks "every game".

Feel free to criticize him or anyone you want, I just don't think it's a true statement. Just my opinion though.

What part of my comment did you get lost in? I clarified the "every game" part to every playoff game which is what the conversation was about. In both playoff games, Purdy got lucky with some dropped picks. That is neither a criticism nor is it not a true statement. Is that more clear for you?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I mean to keep it real, Purdy been getting hella lucky too. He throws like like two picks that defenders just drop in every game

Foolish comment imo. "Every game"? I'm not seeing that at all. Has he had a couple lucky drops? Yes he has, but he's also made outstanding throws and decisions that neither Jimmy or Lance showed, or made.

Wonder how intoxicated some of you guys are when watching the games.

Maybe since you just joined the board a few days ago (if not a PBM) I'll give you the excuse; but yes every game in the playoffs which is what the conversation was about. Against both Seattle and the Cowboys he got lucky with some dropped picks and that's not even debatable. Some of you have waaaaay to rosy colored glasses on right now thinking you know more than Cossell and denying that luck has most definitely been on Purdys side with a bunch of his throws.

Give us some solid numbers on how many passes he has put in harms way over the past 2 games.

Why? Do you disagree with what I said? I don't subscribe to pff or anything like that so I would have to go back to the games

Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
What part of my comment did you get lost in? I clarified the "every game" part to every playoff game which is what the conversation was about. In both playoff games, Purdy got lucky with some dropped picks. That is neither a criticism nor is it not a true statement. Is that more clear for you?

How many picks did he have though?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Greg Cosell seems to think the book is out now on BCB... he seems to think that when you pressure him he goes backwards or scrambles to his left, and he needs to be "coached out of that" LOL... BCB has a bigger game than that Greggie

with each day this week I'm feeling much more confident that Shanny and the boys are going to school the beagles and move on to the super bowl

Cosell is pretty spot on with his QB evaluations, its certainly what Seattle and Dallas both tried to do, its an issue that Purdy had in college with running out of the pocket instead of stepping up in it. Its what he's going to have to adapt and adjust to. NFL defensive coordinators are great at what they do, great at finding weaknesses in a QB's game, Purdy is going to have to show that he can improve and overcome it.

If he's not able to consistently climb the pocket as an NFL passer, then he's not going to last as a starter for much longer in this league.

Agreed. Cossell is legit. He's simply pointing out a tendency; all QB's have tendencies.

His tendency is to bail early and specifically, to the left, that's a tendency. Even that works sometimes (throw aways, Kittle ad lib, etc.).

That said, when he did step up, he threw 2 TD's to CMC and Mitchell against Seattle. This time, Dallas blanketed both guys as outlets with two defenders. Dallas also brought nearly a 50% pressure rate (35% is very HIGH) and awarded Brendel, Brunskill and McGlinchey their lowest grades of the year in PP.

This isn't a tendency on just Brock. This is a response to what's happening in front of him...a team issue.

No QB has issues stepping up when they're consistently comfortable, there are lanes to step up in to, the primary receiver is winning his routes and his outlets are wide open.

If talent is the issue with your LG-RT, Kyle is going to have to do some things schematically to help while simultaneously stressing the importance of winning the routes timely; something our receivers aren't always great at.

Dallas called the perfect game plan, had the personnel to do it and executed it to perfection until we shifted our game plan and slowly wore them down.

Damn, I remember being roasted for saying that a few weeks ago.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
BCB's supposed tendency to "go left" when he scrambles is a nothing burger, his game is greater than this fictional weakness

I'm not buying into that scramble left narrative either. I think it depends on where the pressure is coming from and also what he think is available to him on each side on the play. A few times he went to the right to get a wide open Mitchell, Juice, Deebo, and CMC. Other times, if too hot, he tried to just throw it away. I don't think this dude scramble out without a plan. Don't think he's the type.

If he sees Kittle going to the left towards the back of the endzone, and got pressured, doesn't make sense to scramble to the right opposite of where Kittle is going. He would scramble to the left with Kittle to buy more time and hit him for a TD.

He scrambles where it's open. Where he is forced to. He goes right or up the middle sometimes.

Brock come knockin

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Disp:
Every quarterback has picks dropped against them. Brock is no luckier than anyone else in that respect. Hell, the Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt.

Lol still blaming the entire outcome of the game on Tartt based on one play? How much time did we have after the dropped pick and what did the offense do?

you'd be surprised by the effect momentum has on a football game. that turnover couldve easily created momentum in our favor.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32910904/is-momentum-real-depth-investigation-sports-most-overused-term

I know the effect momentum has. I also know that the comment I responded to is a ridiculous take that some so desperately want to believe because we all saw what happened the rest of the game after the dropped pick.

How is it a ridiculous take? We were up by 10 points in the 4'th quarter, and that pick would've put us at the 50 yard line at worst. Never did I blame the entire game on Tartt, but had Tartt secured that pick it probably would've dropped their chance to win by 30-40%. Would they have still won? Possibly, but it would've been more more of an uphill battle. We would've taken another 2+ minutes off the clock even assuming we don't get a first down, and they wouldn't have scored the field goal they eventually did that drive.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
What part of my comment did you get lost in? I clarified the "every game" part to every playoff game which is what the conversation was about. In both playoff games, Purdy got lucky with some dropped picks. That is neither a criticism nor is it not a true statement. Is that more clear for you?

How many picks did he have though?

Seriously that's what you got? He doesn't have any and I never said he did; I said he got lucky on some of his throws and that's a reason he doesn't have any. That's a reason every QB who has ever played the game doesn't get picked, Purdy is no exception like some are trying to pretend that he is. It's not a knock or a criticism or anything for some of you to get all worked up over lol, I love Brock Purdy and I've said many times in here that what he's done/doing is unprecedented and likely will never be done again at least in my lifetime

Good luck, Brock.