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Originally posted by 49ers808:
Seriously that's what you got? He doesn't have any and I never said he did; I said he got lucky on some of his throws and that's a reason he doesn't have any. That's a reason every QB who has ever played the game doesn't get picked, Purdy is no exception like some are trying to pretend that he is. It's not a knock or a criticism or anything for some of you to get all worked up over lol, I love Brock Purdy and I've said many times in here that what he's done/doing is unprecedented and likely will never be done again at least in my lifetime

Ok, so we agree.
[ Edited by Patton on Jan 27, 2023 at 11:15 AM ]
Originally posted by Disp:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by Disp:
Every quarterback has picks dropped against them. Brock is no luckier than anyone else in that respect. Hell, the Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt.

Lol still blaming the entire outcome of the game on Tartt based on one play? How much time did we have after the dropped pick and what did the offense do?

you'd be surprised by the effect momentum has on a football game. that turnover couldve easily created momentum in our favor.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32910904/is-momentum-real-depth-investigation-sports-most-overused-term

I know the effect momentum has. I also know that the comment I responded to is a ridiculous take that some so desperately want to believe because we all saw what happened the rest of the game after the dropped pick.

How is it a ridiculous take? We were up by 10 points in the 4'th quarter, and that pick would've put us at the 50 yard line at worst. Never did I blame the entire game on Tartt, but had Tartt secured that pick it probably would've dropped their chance to win by 30-40%. Would they have still won? Possibly, but it would've been more more of an uphill battle. We would've taken another 2+ minutes off the clock even assuming we don't get a first down, and they wouldn't have scored the field goal they eventually did that drive.

"Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt"
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.

That is why I was asking how many turnover worthy plays were observed so that I can compare them to what PFF recorded and see if I can determine the difference between what fans on this board saw and what PFF saw. Not trying to be rude but I have yet to see anyone give me a number of turnover worthy plays they have seen over the past 2 games.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.

That is why I was asking how many turnover worthy plays were observed so that I can compare them to what PFF recorded and see if I can determine the difference between what fans on this board saw and what PFF saw. Not trying to be rude but I have yet to see anyone give me a number of turnover worthy plays they have seen over the past 2 games.

This is the only one that pops off the top of my head. The Seattle game I'd have to go back and watch. Is this a turnover worthy play to you and for pff?

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.

That is why I was asking how many turnover worthy plays were observed so that I can compare them to what PFF recorded and see if I can determine the difference between what fans on this board saw and what PFF saw. Not trying to be rude but I have yet to see anyone give me a number of turnover worthy plays they have seen over the past 2 games.

This is the only one that pops off the top of my head. The Seattle game I'd have to go back and watch. Is this a turnover worthy play to you and for pff?


From that angle, for sure looks like a TWP. Was the ball tipped or were there other variables that we aren't seeing from that particular shot of the play?
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.

That is why I was asking how many turnover worthy plays were observed so that I can compare them to what PFF recorded and see if I can determine the difference between what fans on this board saw and what PFF saw. Not trying to be rude but I have yet to see anyone give me a number of turnover worthy plays they have seen over the past 2 games.

This is the only one that pops off the top of my head. The Seattle game I'd have to go back and watch. Is this a turnover worthy play to you and for pff?


From that angle, for sure looks like a TWP. Was the ball tipped or were there other variables that we aren't seeing from that particular shot of the play?

If I remember right (never a given), it was tipped. A defender jumped up and caught it just underneath with his shoulder pad or helmet.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.

That is why I was asking how many turnover worthy plays were observed so that I can compare them to what PFF recorded and see if I can determine the difference between what fans on this board saw and what PFF saw. Not trying to be rude but I have yet to see anyone give me a number of turnover worthy plays they have seen over the past 2 games.

This is the only one that pops off the top of my head. The Seattle game I'd have to go back and watch. Is this a turnover worthy play to you and for pff?


From that angle, for sure looks like a TWP. Was the ball tipped or were there other variables that we aren't seeing from that particular shot of the play?

Well that would be the reason for my previous post stating that I didn't see the All-22 for both games.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
This is the only one that pops off the top of my head. The Seattle game I'd have to go back and watch. Is this a turnover worthy play to you and for pff?


I don't think pff accounts for Purdy's ability to Jedi mind trick DBs into dropping these passes. More proof of just how great Purdy really is.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.

That is why I was asking how many turnover worthy plays were observed so that I can compare them to what PFF recorded and see if I can determine the difference between what fans on this board saw and what PFF saw. Not trying to be rude but I have yet to see anyone give me a number of turnover worthy plays they have seen over the past 2 games.

This is the only one that pops off the top of my head. The Seattle game I'd have to go back and watch. Is this a turnover worthy play to you and for pff?


From that angle, for sure looks like a TWP. Was the ball tipped or were there other variables that we aren't seeing from that particular shot of the play?

Well that would be the reason for my previous post stating that I didn't see the All-22 for both games.

Its cool. I haven't watched the all 22 either. But if the ball was tipped at the LOS than no, it wouldn't be considered a TWP.
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Jan 27, 2023 at 11:50 AM ]
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.

That is why I was asking how many turnover worthy plays were observed so that I can compare them to what PFF recorded and see if I can determine the difference between what fans on this board saw and what PFF saw. Not trying to be rude but I have yet to see anyone give me a number of turnover worthy plays they have seen over the past 2 games.

This is the only one that pops off the top of my head. The Seattle game I'd have to go back and watch. Is this a turnover worthy play to you and for pff?


From that angle, for sure looks like a TWP. Was the ball tipped or were there other variables that we aren't seeing from that particular shot of the play?

So when a ball is tipped and intercepted; does PFF not record it as an interception?
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Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by Disp:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by Disp:
Every quarterback has picks dropped against them. Brock is no luckier than anyone else in that respect. Hell, the Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt.

Lol still blaming the entire outcome of the game on Tartt based on one play? How much time did we have after the dropped pick and what did the offense do?

you'd be surprised by the effect momentum has on a football game. that turnover couldve easily created momentum in our favor.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32910904/is-momentum-real-depth-investigation-sports-most-overused-term

I know the effect momentum has. I also know that the comment I responded to is a ridiculous take that some so desperately want to believe because we all saw what happened the rest of the game after the dropped pick.

How is it a ridiculous take? We were up by 10 points in the 4'th quarter, and that pick would've put us at the 50 yard line at worst. Never did I blame the entire game on Tartt, but had Tartt secured that pick it probably would've dropped their chance to win by 30-40%. Would they have still won? Possibly, but it would've been more more of an uphill battle. We would've taken another 2+ minutes off the clock even assuming we don't get a first down, and they wouldn't have scored the field goal they eventually did that drive.

"Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt"

Yeah, they likely wouldn't have even been in the super bowl had he not dropped the pick. It's really pretty simple. Their chances of winning would have plummeted.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.

That is why I was asking how many turnover worthy plays were observed so that I can compare them to what PFF recorded and see if I can determine the difference between what fans on this board saw and what PFF saw. Not trying to be rude but I have yet to see anyone give me a number of turnover worthy plays they have seen over the past 2 games.

This is the only one that pops off the top of my head. The Seattle game I'd have to go back and watch. Is this a turnover worthy play to you and for pff?


From that angle, for sure looks like a TWP. Was the ball tipped or were there other variables that we aren't seeing from that particular shot of the play?

So when a ball is tipped and intercepted; does PFF not record it as an interception?

Yes. It is recorded as an INT. But not all INT's are recorded as TWP's.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Its cool. I haven't watched the all 22 either. But if the ball was tipped at the LOS than no, it wouldn't be considered a TWP.

What about when it's tipped by the same defender who proceeds to intercept the ball?
Originally posted by Patton:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Seriously that's what you got? He doesn't have any and I never said he did; I said he got lucky on some of his throws and that's a reason he doesn't have any. That's a reason every QB who has ever played the game doesn't get picked, Purdy is no exception like some are trying to pretend that he is. It's not a knock or a criticism or anything for some of you to get all worked up over lol, I love Brock Purdy and I've said many times in here that what he's done/doing is unprecedented and likely will never be done again at least in my lifetime

Ok, so we agree.

Every player has "almost interceptions." I've seen Brady and Aaron Rodgers do it. Even Mahomes and Josh Allen too. We don't count those. Only actual ones. Of which he has few.
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