QB Brock Purdy Thread

Get this. PFF also charges the receiver for INT's as well.

here comes a new QB metric "Almost Interceptions", it will be right next to Air Yards

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.

That is why I was asking how many turnover worthy plays were observed so that I can compare them to what PFF recorded and see if I can determine the difference between what fans on this board saw and what PFF saw. Not trying to be rude but I have yet to see anyone give me a number of turnover worthy plays they have seen over the past 2 games.

This is the only one that pops off the top of my head. The Seattle game I'd have to go back and watch. Is this a turnover worthy play to you and for pff?

#Cowboys CB Trevon Diggs dropped an INT that hit him right in the hands on Sunday.

Coach Al Harris made sure he'll pay for it with sideline push-ups 😂 pic.twitter.com/ka5kaIbqtV

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) January 26, 2023

From that angle, for sure looks like a TWP. Was the ball tipped or were there other variables that we aren't seeing from that particular shot of the play?

Well that would be the reason for my previous post stating that I didn't see the All-22 for both games.

Its cool. I haven't watched the all 22 either. But if the ball was tipped at the LOS than no, it wouldn't be considered a TWP.

I remember watching during the game it was tipped at the LOS, which was why Aiyuk didn't catch it originally. It was tipped, then tipped again by Aiyuk. People keep blaming Diggs for missing it, but if it wasn't tipped, would never even have gotten to him.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Its cool. I haven't watched the all 22 either. But if the ball was tipped at the LOS than no, it wouldn't be considered a TWP.

What about when it's tipped by the same defender who proceeds to intercept the ball?

You could go on and on all day long with these scenarios but is it really going to help make any progress in this conversation?

To answer your question with a question. Can a defender make a great play without the offense being at fault?

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Disp:
Every quarterback has picks dropped against them. Brock is no luckier than anyone else in that respect. Hell, the Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt.

Lol still blaming the entire outcome of the game on Tartt based on one play? How much time did we have after the dropped pick and what did the offense do?

you'd be surprised by the effect momentum has on a football game. that turnover couldve easily created momentum in our favor.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32910904/is-momentum-real-depth-investigation-sports-most-overused-term

I know the effect momentum has. I also know that the comment I responded to is a ridiculous take that some so desperately want to believe because we all saw what happened the rest of the game after the dropped pick.

How is it a ridiculous take? We were up by 10 points in the 4'th quarter, and that pick would've put us at the 50 yard line at worst. Never did I blame the entire game on Tartt, but had Tartt secured that pick it probably would've dropped their chance to win by 30-40%. Would they have still won? Possibly, but it would've been more more of an uphill battle. We would've taken another 2+ minutes off the clock even assuming we don't get a first down, and they wouldn't have scored the field goal they eventually did that drive.

"Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt"

Yeah, they likely wouldn't have even been in the super bowl had he not dropped the pick. It's really pretty simple. Their chances of winning would have plummeted.

If it's really simple then how come you didn't answer my question? Did the game end after that dropped pick or did we still have numerous chances to win the game? What did our offense do with those chances?

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.

That is why I was asking how many turnover worthy plays were observed so that I can compare them to what PFF recorded and see if I can determine the difference between what fans on this board saw and what PFF saw. Not trying to be rude but I have yet to see anyone give me a number of turnover worthy plays they have seen over the past 2 games.

This is the only one that pops off the top of my head. The Seattle game I'd have to go back and watch. Is this a turnover worthy play to you and for pff?

#Cowboys CB Trevon Diggs dropped an INT that hit him right in the hands on Sunday.

Coach Al Harris made sure he'll pay for it with sideline push-ups 😂 pic.twitter.com/ka5kaIbqtV

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) January 26, 2023

From that angle, for sure looks like a TWP. Was the ball tipped or were there other variables that we aren't seeing from that particular shot of the play?

Well that would be the reason for my previous post stating that I didn't see the All-22 for both games.

Its cool. I haven't watched the all 22 either. But if the ball was tipped at the LOS than no, it wouldn't be considered a TWP.

I remember watching during the game it was tipped at the LOS, which was why Aiyuk didn't catch it originally. It was tipped, then tipped again by Aiyuk. People keep blaming Diggs for missing it, but if it wasn't tipped, would never even have gotten to him.

It was tipped and therefore is not completely on Purdy. On clean throws he has made very few bad ones. He's almost shocking at how good he is at avoiding the bad play.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Disp:
Every quarterback has picks dropped against them. Brock is no luckier than anyone else in that respect. Hell, the Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt.

Lol still blaming the entire outcome of the game on Tartt based on one play? How much time did we have after the dropped pick and what did the offense do?

you'd be surprised by the effect momentum has on a football game. that turnover couldve easily created momentum in our favor.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32910904/is-momentum-real-depth-investigation-sports-most-overused-term

I know the effect momentum has. I also know that the comment I responded to is a ridiculous take that some so desperately want to believe because we all saw what happened the rest of the game after the dropped pick.

How is it a ridiculous take? We were up by 10 points in the 4'th quarter, and that pick would've put us at the 50 yard line at worst. Never did I blame the entire game on Tartt, but had Tartt secured that pick it probably would've dropped their chance to win by 30-40%. Would they have still won? Possibly, but it would've been more more of an uphill battle. We would've taken another 2+ minutes off the clock even assuming we don't get a first down, and they wouldn't have scored the field goal they eventually did that drive.

"Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt"

Yeah, they likely wouldn't have even been in the super bowl had he not dropped the pick. It's really pretty simple. Their chances of winning would have plummeted.

If it's really simple then how come you didn't answer my question? Did the game end after that dropped pick or did we still have numerous chances to win the game? What did our offense do with those chances?

I'm not here to answer your irrelevant question, you're the one who disputed what I said, not the other way around. Tartt snags that pick, the Rams probably don't make the super bowl, let alone win it.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Its cool. I haven't watched the all 22 either. But if the ball was tipped at the LOS than no, it wouldn't be considered a TWP.

What about when it's tipped by the same defender who proceeds to intercept the ball?

You could go on and on all day long with these scenarios but is it really going to help make any progress in this conversation?

Hence the reason some don't take what PFF says as the end all be all on everything.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Its cool. I haven't watched the all 22 either. But if the ball was tipped at the LOS than no, it wouldn't be considered a TWP.

What about when it's tipped by the same defender who proceeds to intercept the ball?

You could go on and on all day long with these scenarios but is it really going to help make any progress in this conversation?

Hence the reason some don't take what PFF says as the end all be all on everything.

To answer your question with a question. Can a defender make a great play without the offense being at fault?

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Disp:
Every quarterback has picks dropped against them. Brock is no luckier than anyone else in that respect. Hell, the Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt.

Lol still blaming the entire outcome of the game on Tartt based on one play? How much time did we have after the dropped pick and what did the offense do?

you'd be surprised by the effect momentum has on a football game. that turnover couldve easily created momentum in our favor.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32910904/is-momentum-real-depth-investigation-sports-most-overused-term

I know the effect momentum has. I also know that the comment I responded to is a ridiculous take that some so desperately want to believe because we all saw what happened the rest of the game after the dropped pick.

How is it a ridiculous take? We were up by 10 points in the 4'th quarter, and that pick would've put us at the 50 yard line at worst. Never did I blame the entire game on Tartt, but had Tartt secured that pick it probably would've dropped their chance to win by 30-40%. Would they have still won? Possibly, but it would've been more more of an uphill battle. We would've taken another 2+ minutes off the clock even assuming we don't get a first down, and they wouldn't have scored the field goal they eventually did that drive.

"Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt"

Yeah, they likely wouldn't have even been in the super bowl had he not dropped the pick. It's really pretty simple. Their chances of winning would have plummeted.

If it's really simple then how come you didn't answer my question? Did the game end after that dropped pick or did we still have numerous chances to win the game? What did our offense do with those chances?

I'm not here to answer your irrelevant question, you're the one who disputed what I said, not the other way around. Tartt snags that pick, the Rams probably don't make the super bowl, let alone win it.

Irrelevant? You should go back and read what you wrote or do you need me to do that for you again?

"Rams won a Super Bowl last year due to a gimme pick being dropped by Tartt"

is different than what you are now stating, adding the good ol probably in there

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Its cool. I haven't watched the all 22 either. But if the ball was tipped at the LOS than no, it wouldn't be considered a TWP.

What about when it's tipped by the same defender who proceeds to intercept the ball?

You could go on and on all day long with these scenarios but is it really going to help make any progress in this conversation?

Hence the reason some don't take what PFF says as the end all be all on everything.

To answer your question with a question. Can a defender make a great play without the offense being at fault?

Absolutely! My turn. Could the offense have made an even better play (or throw in this instance), not giving the defender a chance to make a great play?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Get this. PFF also charges the receiver for INT's as well.

That's a good thing because balls bouncing right off a receivers hands and into the defenders shouldn't be on the QB

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Its cool. I haven't watched the all 22 either. But if the ball was tipped at the LOS than no, it wouldn't be considered a TWP.

What about when it's tipped by the same defender who proceeds to intercept the ball?

You could go on and on all day long with these scenarios but is it really going to help make any progress in this conversation?

Hence the reason some don't take what PFF says as the end all be all on everything.

To answer your question with a question. Can a defender make a great play without the offense being at fault?

Absolutely! My turn. Could the offense have made an even better play (or throw in this instance), not giving the defender a chance to make a great play?

In your made up scenario. A tipped pass can just be a great play by the defender. And anyway, you can start recording your own set of stats with your own set of definitions. You are free to do so. But picking a play here and there and saying, this is happening too often or at a high rate without any reference point to compare to is worse than relying on a reputable stat site that pays folks to do it for a living.

Every QB is lucky at some point. Herbert had an interception dropped in the endzone against the Jaguars. And that throw was worse than everything Purdy did against Dallas for example. S**t happens for everyone.

As far as Purdy´s tendancy to scramble to his left, I don´t see it as a bad thing. Most of the times he´s doing that to avoid the pressure and he goes to his left because of Trent not because that ´s the only thing he knows to do. He goes to his right too. And I´m not sure, I would led Purdy scramble actually. The only big mistake he did so far was against the Cardinals when he was sacked by Isaiah Simmons because he thought he could outrun him. He didn´t make the same mistake against Micah Parsons. The only "negative" plays of Purdy when he scrambles are throws away so far. The Niners can live with that.
If I was the Eagles, I would make sure Purdy doesn´t leave the pocket.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fans on here must have a completely different point of view of what is considered a turnover worthy play than a business who specializes in such stats. A pass break up is not considered a turnover worthy play, just an FYI. And happens every week to every QB in the NFL.

Hmmmm. What about where defender drops the ball? Can that be a TWP and a PBU?

Could the receiver have made a better play on the ball?

Yes. A dropped INT is recorded as a PBU.

When a receiver has to make a play on the ball to prevent the interception, do you put that on the QB for a bad pass or on the receiver if he doesn't succeed? Just trying to understand your train of thought here because this was a debate over and over in other threads

If its a 50/50 ball, its on the receiver to make a play. If the receiver decides to knock it away instead of trying to catch it, I would put that on the receiver more than the QB. Obviously there are a lot of variables and each scenario will be different. I don't know exactly how PFF records them but I know for sure they have a definition for how they record each of their stats and because of those definitions allows them to make their stats consistent across the board for all players.

Okay, so you are a PFF guy and what they say happened is what you go by. I'm not being a smartass at all fwiw, you've been on the board long enough to know that PFF is a touchy subject around here and some only use it when it fits their narrative and s**t on it when it doesn't, offensive line thread is littered with it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree with you on 50/50 balls and completely agree on the variables with each scenario being different. On the topic, admittedly, I have not watched the All-22 for both playoff games and that's the footage that I like most to completely see a play. My statement on Brock getting lucky on possible interceptions is based completely on normal game footage only and maybe I'd change my mind after seeing the All-22.

That is why I was asking how many turnover worthy plays were observed so that I can compare them to what PFF recorded and see if I can determine the difference between what fans on this board saw and what PFF saw. Not trying to be rude but I have yet to see anyone give me a number of turnover worthy plays they have seen over the past 2 games.

This is the only one that pops off the top of my head. The Seattle game I'd have to go back and watch. Is this a turnover worthy play to you and for pff?

#Cowboys CB Trevon Diggs dropped an INT that hit him right in the hands on Sunday.

Coach Al Harris made sure he'll pay for it with sideline push-ups 😂 pic.twitter.com/ka5kaIbqtV

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) January 26, 2023

From that angle, for sure looks like a TWP. Was the ball tipped or were there other variables that we aren't seeing from that particular shot of the play?

It was tipped.