QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
He's playing on a much better team with better players and a better coach than he had at Iowa State. It's amazing how much better a QB can look when he plays on a good team.

I mean Matt Campbell is a really good HC. People in the NFL have been trying to get him as a HC for years. That Iowa state team has had NFL caliber talent. No it's not OSU or Bama, but not many places in college are.

I just credit Brock for being prepared, yes the roster/coaching staff being elite around him, and him just busting his butt to improve.

Lol people still thinking they got the timeline all figured out when it already got delayed and the surgery didn't even happen yet

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
He's playing on a much better team with better players and a better coach than he had at Iowa State. It's amazing how much better a QB can look when he plays on a good team.

I mean Matt Campbell is a really good HC. People in the NFL have been trying to get him as a HC for years. That Iowa state team has had NFL caliber talent. No it's not OSU or Bama, but not many places in college are.

I just credit Brock for being prepared, yes the roster/coaching staff being elite around him, and him just busting his butt to improve.

You can't compare the talent he had at Iowa State with the Niners. Plus it's well known that Kyle's system is QB friendly. It's made for players like JG and Purdy who don't have great athleticism but can throw accurately. The majority of QBs in the NFL fall into this category. There aren't many in the Mahomes/Herbert category that have the whole package or nearly the whole package. I'll repeat this again. If Purdy had the size and athleticism that the top guys have he would have been a 1st round pick. His other traits are undeniable and he would be a true franchise QB.

the 49ers players health is a f**kin clown show. why would FAs wanna come here if its almost guaranteed they will get injured an damage not just their body but their career

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
the 49ers players health is a f**kin clown show. why would FAs wanna come here if its almost guaranteed they will get injured an damage not just their body but their career

What specifically is it that the 9er are doing that is causing that more than other team? Be specific.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
the 49ers players health is a f**kin clown show. why would FAs wanna come here if its almost guaranteed they will get injured an damage not just their body but their career

What specifically is it that the 9er are doing that is causing that more than other team? Be specific.

I mentioned a long time ago with Steve Young's commentary. Young said a QB, particularly early in his tenure, wants to 'run thru a wall' for his teammates. You see your teammates blocking, breaking tackles, and you want to show you are a 'football player' that will 'lay it on the line'.

This is Young's commentary not mine, I am just paraphrasing Young's comments.

I think we saw JG and TL do just that. They wanted to run thru the wall and show they are willing to mix it up. JG had the sideline, chose contact. TL had the ability to go to ground, didn't. I do feel onus is on the HC, when you spend $137m on one guy, and 3 ones on the other, to grab that dude all offseason by the shoulders and say look you are too valuable to get hit with dumb, avoidable contact. KC, the Chiefs, openly said after the JG injury that he should have gone out of bounds, it was avoidable. He didn't go out so they hit him.

So those are two that if we drilled in some self preservation, may not have occurred. Brock's was nothing to do with self preservation really, it's debatable on the blocking scheme, Howie Long at halftime said it was pretty poor on our part, I've seen experts like Joe Thomas disagree on that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I mentioned a long time ago with Steve Young's commentary. Young said a QB, particularly early in his tenure, wants to 'run thru a wall' for his teammates. You see your teammates blocking, breaking tackles, and you want to show you are a 'football player' that will 'lay it on the line'.

This is Young's commentary not mine, I am just paraphrasing Young's comments.

I think we saw JG and TL do just that. They wanted to run thru the wall and show they are willing to mix it up. JG had the sideline, chose contact. TL had the ability to go to ground, didn't. I do feel onus is on the HC, when you spend $137m on one guy, and 3 ones on the other, to grab that dude all offseason by the shoulders and say look you are too valuable to get hit with dumb, avoidable contact. KC, the Chiefs, openly said after the JG injury that he should have gone out of bounds, it was avoidable. He didn't go out so they hit him.

So those are two that if we drilled in some self preservation, may not have occurred. Brock's was nothing to do with self preservation really, it's debatable on the blocking scheme, Howie Long at halftime said it was pretty poor on our part, I've seen experts like Joe Thomas disagree on that.

Yes yes every bad decision a 9ers player ever makes is Kyles fault.

Was asking him though

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I mentioned a long time ago with Steve Young's commentary. Young said a QB, particularly early in his tenure, wants to 'run thru a wall' for his teammates. You see your teammates blocking, breaking tackles, and you want to show you are a 'football player' that will 'lay it on the line'.

This is Young's commentary not mine, I am just paraphrasing Young's comments.

I think we saw JG and TL do just that. They wanted to run thru the wall and show they are willing to mix it up. JG had the sideline, chose contact. TL had the ability to go to ground, didn't. I do feel onus is on the HC, when you spend $137m on one guy, and 3 ones on the other, to grab that dude all offseason by the shoulders and say look you are too valuable to get hit with dumb, avoidable contact. KC, the Chiefs, openly said after the JG injury that he should have gone out of bounds, it was avoidable. He didn't go out so they hit him.

So those are two that if we drilled in some self preservation, may not have occurred. Brock's was nothing to do with self preservation really, it's debatable on the blocking scheme, Howie Long at halftime said it was pretty poor on our part, I've seen experts like Joe Thomas disagree on that.

Yes yes every bad decision a 9ers player ever makes is Kyles fault.

Was asking him though

I gave a detailed post with specifics which you asked for. It's more shades of gray. It's not black and white like you try to make it. No one is to blame and I am sure no one takes QB injury harder than KS and our players. Self preservation is a thing, Rice was a legend at it and he prolonged his career a great deal through conditioning and sliding to get down or going out of bounds. Tyler Lockett is a great example of an active WR who goes to ground a lot to avoid contact.. I respect it, he will be helping that team for a long time to come. Some of this comes from the player, some I would say can be coached up.

In any event, with the QB injuries we are having, I would bet that there are discussions on how to limit or minimize going forward taking place in the bldg. It's costing us Super Bowls at this point.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
the 49ers players health is a f**kin clown show. why would FAs wanna come here if its almost guaranteed they will get injured an damage not just their body but their career

What specifically is it that the 9er are doing that is causing that more than other team? Be specific.

He has no idea. Nobody does. Other than the fact that they have drafted or signed players that had an injury history, there is no reason for having more injuries.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You can't compare the talent he had at Iowa State with the Niners. Plus it's well known that Kyle's system is QB friendly. It's made for players like JG and Purdy who don't have great athleticism but can throw accurately. The majority of QBs in the NFL fall into this category. There aren't many in the Mahomes/Herbert category that have the whole package or nearly the whole package. I'll repeat this again. If Purdy had the size and athleticism that the top guys have he would have been a 1st round pick. His other traits are undeniable and he would be a true franchise QB.

Not just a 1st round pick, according to a recent ESPN re-drafting of 2022, Purdy would be the #4 OVERALL draft, despite his lack of "size and athleticism."

What makes Purdy so good is what is between his ears, not his size or athleticism. He is big enough and agile/athletic enough to make plays. However, it is his ability to not just see but to understand what he sees that makes him good.

BP is a unicorn. He sees the game like a 6-year pro. It isn't just Kyle's system that elevated the 49er offense by an average of 10 points per game. It was the operator.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I gave a detailed post with specifics which you asked for. It's more shades of gray. It's not black and white like you try to make it. No one is to blame and I am sure no one takes QB injury harder than KS and our players. Self preservation is a thing, Rice was a legend at it and he prolonged his career a great deal through conditioning and sliding to get down or going out of bounds. Tyler Lockett is a great example of an active WR who goes to ground a lot to avoid contact.. I respect it, he will be helping that team for a long time to come. Some of this comes from the player, some I would say can be coached up.

In any event, with the QB injuries we are having, I would bet that there are discussions on how to limit or minimize going forward taking place in the bldg. It's costing us Super Bowls at this point.

You are using a quote from Steve Young about HIS experiences and then translating that into the thoughts of both Jimmy and Trey. That's not a shade of grey, thats complete speculation used to push an agenda that their injuries were a result of the coach not telling them to protect themselves.

Rampant speculation isn't a detailed post. It's just rampant speculation.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I gave a detailed post with specifics which you asked for. It's more shades of gray. It's not black and white like you try to make it. No one is to blame and I am sure no one takes QB injury harder than KS and our players. Self preservation is a thing, Rice was a legend at it and he prolonged his career a great deal through conditioning and sliding to get down or going out of bounds. Tyler Lockett is a great example of an active WR who goes to ground a lot to avoid contact.. I respect it, he will be helping that team for a long time to come. Some of this comes from the player, some I would say can be coached up.

In any event, with the QB injuries we are having, I would bet that there are discussions on how to limit or minimize going forward taking place in the bldg. It's costing us Super Bowls at this point.

You are using a quote from Steve Young about HIS experiences and then translating that into the thoughts of both Jimmy and Trey. That's not a shade of grey, thats complete speculation used to push an agenda that their injuries were a result of the coach not telling them to protect themselves.

Rampant speculation isn't a detailed post. It's just rampant speculation.

In fairness, the context of the Young comments was after week 1 and he was talking about TL running. It was KNBR radio after the CHI game. He was discussing our team with his experiences and his understanding of the game, but def discussing the 2022 49ers as he does a lot on KNBR. This was early season, so Purdy not on the radar yet it was about TL mostly.

Not pushing any agenda, I literally said above it's shades of gray, and no one is to blame. KS doing his best as are all our guys. No one wants injury. I shared comments of Steve also Howie Long / Joe Thomas about Brock's injury. These guys do understand the game a bit, they were all legends.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
In fairness, the context of the Young comments was after week 1 and he was talking about TL running. It was KNBR radio after the CHI game. He was discussing our team with his experiences and his understanding of the game, but def discussing the 2022 49ers as he does a lot on KNBR. This was early season, so Purdy not on the radar yet it was about TL mostly.

Not pushing any agenda, I literally said above it's shades of gray, and no one is to blame. KS doing his best as are all our guys. No one wants injury. I shared comments of Steve also Howie Long / Joe Thomas about Brock's injury. These guys do understand the game a bit, they were all legends.

Yet it's all speculation because no one is in the room. Jimmy not running out of bounds was on Jimmy more than anyone else. Trey not protecting himself was on Trey more than anyone else. It's not some equal thing. Players are responsible for their decisions when it comes to their bodies.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Great article on the S2 test and Brock in the Athletic

https://theathletic.com/4226466/2023/02/24/nfl-quarterbacks-s2-cognition-test/?source=user_shared_article

If you watched Brock Purdy at last year's NFL Scouting Combine, you would have seen a quarterback with below-average height, a merely adequate arm and foot speed that, while good, didn't separate him from the pack.

The test he absolutely aced — and one that predicted his brilliant rookie season for the 49ers — was administered out of public view. Purdy landed in the mid 90s on something called the S2 Cognition test, a score you might consider Drew Brees-like.

Trey Lance also reportedly had a great cognition test.. fields was also elite there too.love to hear that. It showed on the field for Brock

According to that article, Trey was above average, but not elite, "he scored well" The elites on that test were Mahomes, Allen, and Purdy. I don't believe that Fields did well. This test deals with a lot of visual timing and perception. Fields hasn't shown he can see more than half the field.

Pasting in case you can't see the article. It's worth signing up for the Athletic btw.

He couldn't give out Purdy's exact score because it's privileged information but said it was in the "mid 90s." That's about where Brees, the former Saints quarterback famous for lightning-fast decision-making, scored and where two of the top passers in the league now, the Chiefs' Patrick Mahomes and the Bills' Josh Allen, also landed. The Bengals' Joe Burrow took the test while at LSU and agreed to allow S2 to disclose the information.

Of course he did — he scored in the 97th percentile.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You can't compare the talent he had at Iowa State with the Niners. Plus it's well known that Kyle's system is QB friendly. It's made for players like JG and Purdy who don't have great athleticism but can throw accurately. The majority of QBs in the NFL fall into this category. There aren't many in the Mahomes/Herbert category that have the whole package or nearly the whole package. I'll repeat this again. If Purdy had the size and athleticism that the top guys have he would have been a 1st round pick. His other traits are undeniable and he would be a true franchise QB.

Not just a 1st round pick, according to a recent ESPN re-drafting of 2022, Purdy would be the #4 OVERALL draft, despite his lack of "size and athleticism."

What makes Purdy so good is what is between his ears, not his size or athleticism. He is big enough and agile/athletic enough to make plays. However, it is his ability to not just see but to understand what he sees that makes him good.

BP is a unicorn. He sees the game like a 6-year pro. It isn't just Kyle's system that elevated the 49er offense by an average of 10 points per game. It was the operator.

The bolded is so true but overall this is just such a great post. You can train in the weight room and improve speed, strength and quickness.

What you can't do is obtain those elite cognitive skills during off-season camp. His ability to slow the game down and see the entire field so quickly allow him to make great decisions.

Did he make a couple bad throws? Of course he did but the only game he lost as a rookie was the NFC championship and he only lost that due to injury.

My hope is he can heal and have a great follow up season and most importantly, stay healthy. Then the next off season he can work more on strength training which would make him even more of a threat.

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