QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lance could sling it downfield off balance. He could throw it on a rope. He had other issues that only playing could help.

Brock's arm is bottom tier among starters, but again he has other attributes that help him be successful.

Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, a couple of them thrown from the opposite hash. Double

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Um, I wouldn't say it has next to nothing to do with arm strength in a football game. It's a way to measure just that.

Different sport and different ball but it stands to reason that a guy who throws a baseball 100 mph (or more) at his top speed probably has a stronger arm than a guy throwing 94.

But it's also possible that the control and movement with the guy throwing 94 is superior so he's more effective.

I get what you're saying but it seems to me that ball velocity is actually a pretty good indicator of arm strength. Yes you need a strong arm to be able to stand and throw the football 60-70 yards down the field and not everyone can do that. But you're also not going to be doing that very many times in a football game. What you probably will have to do several times in a football game is have the zip to fit the ball into a tight window, either in the middle of the field or along the sidelines on an intermediate length pass.

But while it's just a mistake, your saying that people are saying/thinking Purdy has a stronger arm than Herbert is actually fake news when they say Purdy's ball velocity is 56-57 mph and Herbert's is 60 mph. So no, obviously, it wasn't indicated in any way that Purdy has a stronger arm than Herbert.

Baseball isn't the same at all imo. You get to have the same throwing motion as you would when you are trying to throw it as hard as you can to see your MPH. People are coming at you or forcing you off your spot all game. Like I said if they really measured arm strength then colt McCoy would have a stronger arm than Flacco and Herbert. So would Brock actually, which we know simply isn't true.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, some throw from the opposite hash. Double

What passes are you talking about? I can and have shown passes downfield that were underthrown. Name me 5 starting NFL QBs that have weaker arms than him?

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
NFL teams losing to Brock's Cup O'Noodles lol

Like I said it isn't the only thing that matters…everyone gets all uptight because he isn't great at one thing lol. Ya'll are so emotional

Originally posted by Cg9erSF:
Simply put Purdy is doing a fine job. He's only played 8 games 3 of them Playoff. The kid is pretty good. All this talk about arm strength is kind of mute. Kyles offense doesn't need a cannon for an arm, accuracy and timing do!!!! I remember they said Montana had a weak arm that's why he lasted to the 3rd round. Look at Allen last night and he can throw 70-80yds. I think Purdy will be just fine and will get better the more he plays. JMHO…….Go Niners

And that's the thing. Josh Allen was almost the prototype coming out of college in terms of size, arm strength, and running ability. Maybe not the prototype because he doesn't have Lamar Jackson/Michael Vick/Justin Fields/Anthony Richardson speed. But the size, arm strength, and what he can do with his feet and legs, like a bigger stronger Aaron Rodgers.

But, I fully expected him to bust because he played awful against better competition in college and completed a low percentage of his passes.

That he ascended into being one of the best in the league is credit to an obviously tremendous work ethic and desire to simply not fail.

But guys with great God given ability oft times fall back on that first and foremost more so than proper mechanics or playing smart. Because it's suited them well at every level of football and still can in the NFL. But they can also get burned by it more often in the NFL. Throwing 40 plus yards flat footed and off balance is impressive. It also probably doesn't have the highest rate of success.

Give me a guy like Purdy over a guy who's heady over a guy who's the prototype but does some boneheaded things.

That's not to say Purdy is already better than Josh Allen. Just a general statement. Obviously, if you can have a heady/smart guy who's the prototype than you have pretty much a Hall of Famer.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, some throw from the opposite hash. Double

What passes are you talking about? I can and have shown passes downfield that were underthrown. Name me 5 starting NFL QBs that have weaker arms than him?

🤣 If you haven't seen those throws I am referring to than you haven't been watching Brock Purdy play. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Purdy, keep proving the doubters wrong with that "noodle" arm of yours

Who said he has a noodle arm? Embellishing

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, some throw from the opposite hash. Double

What passes are you talking about? I can and have shown passes downfield that were underthrown. Name me 5 starting NFL QBs that have weaker arms than him?

The funny thing is you never said he has a bad arm. You said he doesn't have a plus arm (I interpreted that as a rocket arm etc) I didn't even think you were insulting him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think people misunderstand what arm strength is. Going up to a MPH machine and tossing it as hard as you can in a controlled setting is not the same as throwing a rope off one foot or not having to reset your feet and step into a throw. Being able to toss a ball 40+ with flick of a wrist… Some dudes have that skill set. It's not all that matters, but acting like it doesn't matter at all just because our guy doesn't have that is being naive.

I love Brock just like everyone…he keeps playing like this then none of it matters. Also I didn't bring it up, someone else did (which had zero to do with what I posted).

Arm strength like that takes you from top 10 to top 5. But being top 10 is good enough. Or let me put it like this: having everything else but not having elite arm strength is ten times better than having elite arm strength and not everything else. I'm sure you'll agree.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Um, I wouldn't say it has next to nothing to do with arm strength in a football game. It's a way to measure just that.

Different sport and different ball but it stands to reason that a guy who throws a baseball 100 mph (or more) at his top speed probably has a stronger arm than a guy throwing 94.

But it's also possible that the control and movement with the guy throwing 94 is superior so he's more effective.

I get what you're saying but it seems to me that ball velocity is actually a pretty good indicator of arm strength. Yes you need a strong arm to be able to stand and throw the football 60-70 yards down the field and not everyone can do that. But you're also not going to be doing that very many times in a football game. What you probably will have to do several times in a football game is have the zip to fit the ball into a tight window, either in the middle of the field or along the sidelines on an intermediate length pass.

But while it's just a mistake, your saying that people are saying/thinking Purdy has a stronger arm than Herbert is actually fake news when they say Purdy's ball velocity is 56-57 mph and Herbert's is 60 mph. So no, obviously, it wasn't indicated in any way that Purdy has a stronger arm than Herbert.

Baseball isn't the same at all imo. You get to have the same throwing motion as you would when you are trying to throw it as hard as you can to see your MPH. People are coming at you or forcing you off your spot all game. Like I said if they really measured arm strength then colt McCoy would have a stronger arm than Flacco and Herbert. So would Brock actually, which we know simply isn't true.

Again, I'm not entirely disagreeing. But you're conveniently ignoring that Herbert's velocity is higher than Brock's in somehow saying that 56-57 mph is greater than 60 mph. I mean you're kind of just on respond without even reading and discerning mode. Or at least overlooking things.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
🤣 If you haven't seen those throws I am referring to than you haven't been watching Brock Purdy play. Plain and simple.

Show me. I want to see what you consider "arm strength" vs a pass that every NFL QB can make….I've watched damn near every 49er game for the past 10 yrs. I've watched every Brock game that's for sure. Like I said I can and have shown underthrows. It's not the end all be all, he clearly does a lot of other s**t well. I'm happy he's our guy.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Bottom tier arm strength but the guy has made several deep passes down the sideline, some throw from the opposite hash. Double

What passes are you talking about? I can and have shown passes downfield that were underthrown. Name me 5 starting NFL QBs that have weaker arms than him?

The funny thing is you never said he has a bad arm. You said he doesn't have a plus arm (I interpreted that as a rocket arm etc) I didn't even think you were insulting him.

look a post above yours.. he says name 5 starters that have a weaker arm. he said his arm is bottom tier among starters

I don't care enough to argue about the arm at this point.

He's already shown he can attack every level of the field with the arm he has, whatever tf anyone wants to refer to it as.

He has no fear of attacking deep if it's there, and he can make all the NFL throws while also giving us a mobile element we didn't have with Jimmy. Dude is just a baller.

Gonna be real interesting how he stacks up statistically at the end of the year.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
What posters have been saying all offseason but some didn't want to hear it. They would rather talk about his "noodle arm". It's as if there is more to being QB than arm strength.

Some people want to see it play out before proclaiming him "the one" fans are so short sighted and instant gratification based. 200 passing attempts against poor defenses (for the most part) wasn't gonna put me over the edge to be fully on board. Sorry if that bothered you. I never said he stunk or anything.

I'll root for him every step of the way and I've talked about how I like his moxie. Not a single person said he didn't have that quality.

Yes he does have a subpar arm, that isn't gonna change and even he's stated he doesn't have that tool in his tool belt. Arm ability matters when you play QB at the highest level in the world. It just does regardless of how hard you want to poo poo it. No it's clearly not the only thing that matters, we've seen plenty of successful QBs not have that. It is however a part of playing the position. Same s**t with Jimmy not being mobile or really able to extend plays. You s**t on that ability because he doesn't possess it…Brock does and ya'll love it. Funny how that works.

like Eric Crocker said…Speed doesn't matter until you need it. Same thing with arm strength.

I'm not gonna start some baloney argument…Great first week by the whole team including the QB. Let's keep it going in the right direction!

what kinda arm strength are you looking for that will make you feel better ?

Not bottom tier among starting NFL QBs. Like I said it's only one thing, he does a bunch of other stuff well

Not sure how you can justify your claim by using someone else's ranking.

what has Brock done to show he doesn't have arm strength or what would you like him to do to show arm strength?

JTO pointed one out in his latest review, which was mostly positive for Brock. On throws where you CAN'T rely on anticipation, such as choice routes to the outside, having great arm strength matters. In one he threw, which JTO pointed out, because of the presumed choice route, and the consequent difficulty in anticipating, the ball petered out.

BUT, and here's the thing, while Christian wasn't able to get the RAC he would have had Purdy had a stronger arm, he still got the first down. Again, plus arm strength is a bonus, but not a requirement to move the chains.