At what salary would you be OK keeping Jimmy for 2022?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Its a concern of mine. I know I pushed for Jimmy to start Last year, but in the back of my mind i was actually hoping this great talent would unseat jimmy amd take over. It didn't happen, and I was disappointed.

You do realize he wasn't even given the opportunity to do that, right? You don't get to unseat the starter as the scout QB throughout the yr. You don't get to unseat the starter when you're given next to nothing in 1st string reps from day 1 of camp.

Not allowing Lance to an opportunity to compete with Jimmy since day 1 was part of the problem. All that valuable experience he kissed out on because the 9ers decided to roll the dice with Jimmy for yet another year, when all those reps should have gone to Lance Imo.

Lance was pretty much redshirted. It's been known since he was drafted. What's so hard to understand?

Redshirted by Kyle because he preferred to stick with an average QB all season? The same QB most are blaming for the NFCCG loss. Jimmy missing all those throws against the Rams Isn't something new..

Kyle wanted him to learn.

Everything else you said is opinion and irrelevant. Pretty much grasping for anything. This isn't hard. He was to sit and learn.

I don't see how I'm grasping at anything when you keep mentioning that the reason we lost to the Rams was because of one person... Which to me, that person shouldn't have even been starting to begin with... And most of what's said on here Is based on Opinions... It's a forum.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Its a concern of mine. I know I pushed for Jimmy to start Last year, but in the back of my mind i was actually hoping this great talent would unseat jimmy amd take over. It didn't happen, and I was disappointed.

You do realize he wasn't even given the opportunity to do that, right? You don't get to unseat the starter as the scout QB throughout the yr. You don't get to unseat the starter when you're given next to nothing in 1st string reps from day 1 of camp.

But isn't that on Kyle? I pushed for Jimmy to start because given everything I knew about Trey at the time, it would have set the team back last year. But not even giving trey the opportunity to fight for the job? That's all on Kyle.

But various reports show that Trey had really exceeded expectations at first, and then he leveled off. That's not inline with the position that he wasn't even give a chance to compete.

Leveled off?

care to show these reports?

there's actually film, videos and reports that's say a lot different

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-trey-lance-without-doubt-ready-start-week-1-2022-nfl-season?amp

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152371-49ers-shanahan-responds-report-leveled-confidence-strong-training/

Do you just read headlines. Lol

I read the article. Thats Kyle's way of saying yes he leveled off without saying he leveled off.

Do you always take everything thats said to media so literally? He basically said yes there's some truth to the report as he's had ups and downs. If treyncontinued to blow them out of the water he would have been starting.

And that's from nate silver. He's extremely connected to the niners organization. But people keep believing what they want to believe.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
But isn't that on Kyle? I pushed for Jimmy to start because given everything I knew about Trey at the time, it would have set the team back last year. But not even giving trey the opportunity to fight for the job? That's all on Kyle.

But various reports show that Trey had really exceeded expectations at first, and then he leveled off. That's not inline with the position that he wasn't even give a chance to compete.

Yes I blame Kyle for the slow play in development.

if you paid attention to reps from camp you will see he had next to nothing with the 1st string. Not in joint practices or in preseason for the most part. So yeah there was no chance to compete and kyle said as much…no need to makeup what happened. It was Jimmy season from the beginning of camp all the way until his last INT in the playoffs. Good bad whatever. Now it's 2022 and it's Lance's team, Jimmy doesn't want to be here either man.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I read the article. Thats Kyle's way of saying yes he leveled off without saying he leveled off.

Do you always take everything thats said to media so literally? He basically said yes there's some truth to the report as he's had ups and downs. If treyncontinued to blow them out of the water he would have been starting.

And that's from nate silver. He's extremely connected to the niners organization. But people keep believing what they want to believe.

Who is nate silver?

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Its a concern of mine. I know I pushed for Jimmy to start Last year, but in the back of my mind i was actually hoping this great talent would unseat jimmy amd take over. It didn't happen, and I was disappointed.

You do realize he wasn't even given the opportunity to do that, right? You don't get to unseat the starter as the scout QB throughout the yr. You don't get to unseat the starter when you're given next to nothing in 1st string reps from day 1 of camp.

Not allowing Lance to an opportunity to compete with Jimmy since day 1 was part of the problem. All that valuable experience he kissed out on because the 9ers decided to roll the dice with Jimmy for yet another year, when all those reps should have gone to Lance Imo.

Lance was pretty much redshirted. It's been known since he was drafted. What's so hard to understand?

Redshirted by Kyle because he preferred to stick with an average QB all season? The same QB most are blaming for the NFCCG loss. Jimmy missing all those throws against the Rams Isn't something new..

Kyle wanted him to learn.

Everything else you said is opinion and irrelevant. Pretty much grasping for anything. This isn't hard. He was to sit and learn.

I don't see how I'm grasping at anything when you keep mentioning that the reason we lost to the Rams was because of one person... Which to me, that person shouldn't have even been starting to begin with... And most of what's said on here Is based on Opinions... It's a forum.

Jimmy was the guy, win or lose. adding/grasping the rams game is irrelevant to Lance sitting

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Its a concern of mine. I know I pushed for Jimmy to start Last year, but in the back of my mind i was actually hoping this great talent would unseat jimmy amd take over. It didn't happen, and I was disappointed.

You do realize he wasn't even given the opportunity to do that, right? You don't get to unseat the starter as the scout QB throughout the yr. You don't get to unseat the starter when you're given next to nothing in 1st string reps from day 1 of camp.

But isn't that on Kyle? I pushed for Jimmy to start because given everything I knew about Trey at the time, it would have set the team back last year. But not even giving trey the opportunity to fight for the job? That's all on Kyle.

But various reports show that Trey had really exceeded expectations at first, and then he leveled off. That's not inline with the position that he wasn't even give a chance to compete.

Leveled off?

care to show these reports?

there's actually film, videos and reports that's say a lot different

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-trey-lance-without-doubt-ready-start-week-1-2022-nfl-season?amp

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152371-49ers-shanahan-responds-report-leveled-confidence-strong-training/

Do you just read headlines. Lol

I read the article. Thats Kyle's way of saying yes he leveled off without saying he leveled off.

Do you always take everything thats said to media so literally? He basically said yes there's some truth to the report as he's had ups and downs. If treyncontinued to blow them out of the water he would have been starting.

And that's from nate silver. He's extremely connected to the niners organization. But people keep believing what they want to believe.

If you read the article, Kyle says Lance wasn't different than what any other player went through.

it's a non-story. Only to bait people for clicks and miss information

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Its a concern of mine. I know I pushed for Jimmy to start Last year, but in the back of my mind i was actually hoping this great talent would unseat jimmy amd take over. It didn't happen, and I was disappointed.

You do realize he wasn't even given the opportunity to do that, right? You don't get to unseat the starter as the scout QB throughout the yr. You don't get to unseat the starter when you're given next to nothing in 1st string reps from day 1 of camp.

But isn't that on Kyle? I pushed for Jimmy to start because given everything I knew about Trey at the time, it would have set the team back last year. But not even giving trey the opportunity to fight for the job? That's all on Kyle.

But various reports show that Trey had really exceeded expectations at first, and then he leveled off. That's not inline with the position that he wasn't even give a chance to compete.

Leveled off?

care to show these reports?

there's actually film, videos and reports that's say a lot different

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-trey-lance-without-doubt-ready-start-week-1-2022-nfl-season?amp

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152371-49ers-shanahan-responds-report-leveled-confidence-strong-training/

Do you just read headlines. Lol

I read the article. Thats Kyle's way of saying yes he leveled off without saying he leveled off.

Do you always take everything thats said to media so literally? He basically said yes there's some truth to the report as he's had ups and downs. If treyncontinued to blow them out of the water he would have been starting.

And that's from nate silver. He's extremely connected to the niners organization. But people keep believing what they want to believe.

If you read the article, Kyle says Lance wasn't different than what any other player went through.

it's a non-story. Only to bait people for clicks and miss information

Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

Look the whole point of me bringing that article up is that trey did have the opportunity to unseat jimmy. But even if you took the literal translation of what kyle said, trey had some bad weeks. I.would assume if Trey kept having great weeks. Shanahan would have started him.

Lance was ready and if it weren't for deebo, Jimmy would never be heard from again

https://ninernoise.com/2022/02/01/trey-lance-49ers-close-starting-middle/amp/

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Its a concern of mine. I know I pushed for Jimmy to start Last year, but in the back of my mind i was actually hoping this great talent would unseat jimmy amd take over. It didn't happen, and I was disappointed.

You do realize he wasn't even given the opportunity to do that, right? You don't get to unseat the starter as the scout QB throughout the yr. You don't get to unseat the starter when you're given next to nothing in 1st string reps from day 1 of camp.

But isn't that on Kyle? I pushed for Jimmy to start because given everything I knew about Trey at the time, it would have set the team back last year. But not even giving trey the opportunity to fight for the job? That's all on Kyle.

But various reports show that Trey had really exceeded expectations at first, and then he leveled off. That's not inline with the position that he wasn't even give a chance to compete.

Leveled off?

care to show these reports?

there's actually film, videos and reports that's say a lot different

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-trey-lance-without-doubt-ready-start-week-1-2022-nfl-season?amp

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152371-49ers-shanahan-responds-report-leveled-confidence-strong-training/

Do you just read headlines. Lol

I read the article. Thats Kyle's way of saying yes he leveled off without saying he leveled off.

Do you always take everything thats said to media so literally? He basically said yes there's some truth to the report as he's had ups and downs. If treyncontinued to blow them out of the water he would have been starting.

And that's from nate silver. He's extremely connected to the niners organization. But people keep believing what they want to believe.

If you read the article, Kyle says Lance wasn't different than what any other player went through.

it's a non-story. Only to bait people for clicks and miss information

Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

Look the whole point of me bringing that article up is that trey did have the opportunity to unseat jimmy. But even if you took the literal translation of what kyle said, trey had some bad weeks. I.would assume if Trey kept having great weeks. Shanahan would have started him.

I think you can only read what you think you want to read. Kyle counters your view. Lance was supposed to sit no matter what. Almost started, but Deebo saved jimmy yet again

https://ninernoise.com/2022/02/01/trey-lance-49ers-close-starting-middle/amp/

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
But isn't that on Kyle? I pushed for Jimmy to start because given everything I knew about Trey at the time, it would have set the team back last year. But not even giving trey the opportunity to fight for the job? That's all on Kyle.

But various reports show that Trey had really exceeded expectations at first, and then he leveled off. That's not inline with the position that he wasn't even give a chance to compete.

Yes I blame Kyle for the slow play in development.

if you paid attention to reps from camp you will see he had next to nothing with the 1st string. Not in joint practices or in preseason for the most part. So yeah there was no chance to compete and kyle said as much…no need to makeup what happened. It was Jimmy season from the beginning of camp all the way until his last INT in the playoffs. Good bad whatever. Now it's 2022 and it's Lance's team, Jimmy doesn't want to be here either man.

Yeah It seemed to me that Kyle wanted Jimmy from the start, but Kyle should have gone in with an open mind. You never know what you have unless you give him a shot. Even in the cardinals game it seemed Kyle didn't believe trey was ready by the way he called that game.

But why was Kyle so stuck on going with Jimmy?
Was it a promise he made to Jimmy? The players? Ownership? Does kyle teuly believe in a developmental year? I find it hard to believe that he would shut the door from the get go without a valid reason.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
But isn't that on Kyle? I pushed for Jimmy to start because given everything I knew about Trey at the time, it would have set the team back last year. But not even giving trey the opportunity to fight for the job? That's all on Kyle.

But various reports show that Trey had really exceeded expectations at first, and then he leveled off. That's not inline with the position that he wasn't even give a chance to compete.

Yes I blame Kyle for the slow play in development.

if you paid attention to reps from camp you will see he had next to nothing with the 1st string. Not in joint practices or in preseason for the most part. So yeah there was no chance to compete and kyle said as much…no need to makeup what happened. It was Jimmy season from the beginning of camp all the way until his last INT in the playoffs. Good bad whatever. Now it's 2022 and it's Lance's team, Jimmy doesn't want to be here either man.

Yeah It seemed to me that Kyle wanted Jimmy from the start, but Kyle should have gone in with an open mind. You never know what you have unless you give him a shot. Even in the cardinals game it seemed Kyle didn't believe trey was ready by the way he called that game.

But why was Kyle so stuck on going with Jimmy?
Was it a promise he made to Jimmy? The players? Ownership? Does kyle teuly believe in a developmental year? I find it hard to believe that he would shut the door from the get go without a valid reason.

That's a good question. We've seen Kyle cut ties and dog house players very quickly. Especially at WR/RB.

Imo, idk if this is right or not, but Kyle seems like he's always had a good idea of the locker room chemistry. One thing I can't deny about Jimmy is that he was liked a lot in the locker room, even by players on defense. So I think Kyle took that into consideration.

Then part of it has to be financials and keeping Jimmy's value up, that's more of a fact than an opinion...FO doesn't want to see a guy making 27 mil sitting on the bench, and we were obviously trying to trade Jimmy this offseason, so you can't have him get beat out by a rookie and keep his value high.

Locker room chemistry I'm sure played apart in it, but most likely it was more about the financials/business side/trade value.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
But why was Kyle so stuck on going with Jimmy?
Was it a promise he made to Jimmy? The players? Ownership? Does kyle teuly believe in a developmental year? I find it hard to believe that he would shut the door from the get go without a valid reason.

As I said b4 the season last year, he'll be stuck on protective his prize investment. That's really it.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
And that's from nate silver. He's extremely connected to the niners organization. But people keep believing what they want to believe.

lol what?

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Yeah It seemed to me that Kyle wanted Jimmy from the start, but Kyle should have gone in with an open mind. You never know what you have unless you give him a shot. Even in the cardinals game it seemed Kyle didn't believe trey was ready by the way he called that game.

But why was Kyle so stuck on going with Jimmy?
Was it a promise he made to Jimmy? The players? Ownership? Does kyle teuly believe in a developmental year? I find it hard to believe that he would shut the door from the get go without a valid reason.

You're right he wasn't given a shot and judging from the AZ game wasn't even given proper reps or practicing with the active starters. He was doing what I said he doing, being a scout QB pretending to be the weekly opponent QB. His job was to help the defense see certain plays and how the Qb sees coverages (according to film), not learn our offense (at least in practice). He's gotta get reps to improve there.

Kyle said his ideal scenario was what KC did. He wasn't gonna force Lance to step in and learn it all right off the bat. They made Jimmy the 5th highest paid player last yr and road him good or bad.

FWIW Jim Trotter said Lance was almost named starter at the beginning of the yr, but his finger injury is what held him back. Matt Barrows said it wasn't fully healed for some time and gripping the ball was an issue (like Jimmy when he was banged up). Towards the 2nd half of the season he said if all clicked for Lance. There's no underwhelmed s**t going on, them trying to move Jimmy is proof of that.

3 threads now for a player that won't even be on the roster next year. Jesus people have a hard time letting go.