Originally posted by 49ers808:
This was pretty good regarding our OLine
TY! I was going to post this one today. He's spot on with the importance of unity and how he'd rather have 5 quality players than two top end tackles and question marks inside (us currently). Bingo.
ah the perfect roster with top end talent at every position.. never will happen
Bro, do you ever get the point? LOL
please tell me what is the point
He was assessing where our OL is today and as a former professional OL, noted how important continuity and unity (playing with the guy on your right/left/both) is crucial to unit success. You DON'T need to have 5 all pro's but a talented enough unit that can play perfectly in unison. Of that, he'd prefer 5 really solid OL playing together over 2 terrific tackles and 3 meh players...meaning talent is still important and that talent together is even more important. Meaning if the 3 inside stink, the 2 terrific tackles will be moot.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
This was pretty good regarding our OLine
TY! I was going to post this one today. He's spot on with the importance of unity and how he'd rather have 5 quality players than two top end tackles and question marks inside (us currently). Bingo.
ah the perfect roster with top end talent at every position.. never will happen
Bro, do you ever get the point? LOL
please tell me what is the point
He was assessing where our OL is today and as a former professional OL, noted how important continuity and unity (playing with the guy on your right/left/both) is crucial to unit success. You DON'T need to have 5 all pro's but a talented enough unit that can play perfectly in unison. Of that, he'd prefer 5 really solid OL playing together over 2 terrific tackles and 3 meh players...meaning talent is still important and that talent together is even more important. Meaning if the 3 inside stink, the 2 terrific tackles will be moot.
What is solid to some is stinky to others.. and vice versa. I'm still missing the point and what the 2 vs 3 OL scenario has to do with us ?
not too fond of the podcast..was the assesment saying we have 3 guys on the inside that stink ?
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
What is solid to some is stinky to others.. and vice versa. I'm still missing the point and what the 2 vs 3 OL scenario has to do with us ?
not too fond of the podcast..was the assesment saying we have 3 guys on the inside that stink ?
I get what he is saying, but even when they had an elite LT, good RT, very good LG and C and a below average RG that graded out as one of the top overall units that didn't give up many sacks or QB hits, people still s**t on them and talked a out how poor they were.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
What is solid to some is stinky to others.. and vice versa. I'm still missing the point and what the 2 vs 3 OL scenario has to do with us ?
not too fond of the podcast..was the assesment saying we have 3 guys on the inside that stink ?
I get what he is saying, but even when they had an elite LT, good RT, very good LG and C and a below average RG that graded out as one of the top overall units that didn't give up many sacks or QB hits, people still s**t on them and talked a out how poor they were.
every OL needs to play first before we can judge on how they play.. We invested more in homegrown OL in 21 and 22... let them play before we labled them stinky
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
What is solid to some is stinky to others.. and vice versa. I'm still missing the point and what the 2 vs 3 OL scenario has to do with us ?
not too fond of the podcast..was the assesment saying we have 3 guys on the inside that stink ?
I get what he is saying, but even when they had an elite LT, good RT, very good LG and C and a below average RG that graded out as one of the top overall units that didn't give up many sacks or QB hits, people still s**t on them and talked a out how poor they were.
every OL needs to play first before we can judge on how they play.. We invested more in homegrown OL in 21 and 22... let them play before we labled them stinky
There are def some major question marks, so let's hope these guys they invested draft picks in and a C they have confidence in can step up.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
This was pretty good regarding our OLine
TY! I was going to post this one today. He's spot on with the importance of unity and how he'd rather have 5 quality players than two top end tackles and question marks inside (us currently). Bingo.
ah the perfect roster with top end talent at every position.. never will happen
Bro, do you ever get the point? LOL
please tell me what is the point
He was assessing where our OL is today and as a former professional OL, noted how important continuity and unity (playing with the guy on your right/left/both) is crucial to unit success. You DON'T need to have 5 all pro's but a talented enough unit that can play perfectly in unison. Of that, he'd prefer 5 really solid OL playing together over 2 terrific tackles and 3 meh players...meaning talent is still important and that talent together is even more important. Meaning if the 3 inside stink, the 2 terrific tackles will be moot.
What is solid to some is stinky to others.. and vice versa. I'm still missing the point and what the 2 vs 3 OL scenario has to do with us ?
not too fond of the podcast..was the assesment saying we have 3 guys on the inside that stink ?
He was just noting that the 2 + 3 example is where we're currently at. It could end up just great too. Like you said, defining average and above average is pretty much left up to each individual. What's good enough to one might not be to another.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
What is solid to some is stinky to others.. and vice versa. I'm still missing the point and what the 2 vs 3 OL scenario has to do with us ?
not too fond of the podcast..was the assesment saying we have 3 guys on the inside that stink ?
I get what he is saying, but even when they had an elite LT, good RT, very good LG and C and a below average RG that graded out as one of the top overall units that didn't give up many sacks or QB hits, people still s**t on them and talked a out how poor they were.
True. Overall it was an above average unit for sure. Unfortunately, injuries happened again and by the time the playoffs came around, they struggled with run blocking and pass protection (esp. in known situations). You're not going to win a Superbowl with Trent Williams ailing, a 36 year old Mack playing his 20th game and Daniel Brunskill and Tom Compton as your right side. And that's exactly what happened. But that's not to take away from what they accomplished overall.
In fact, if I were ask you at the start of the season how far this team could go with just Daniel Brunskill and Tom Compton starting all year, I'm guessing only 1 person would pick the NFCCG. LOL
[ Edited by NCommand on Jun 17, 2022 at 12:14 PM ]
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
What is solid to some is stinky to others.. and vice versa. I'm still missing the point and what the 2 vs 3 OL scenario has to do with us ?
not too fond of the podcast..was the assesment saying we have 3 guys on the inside that stink ?
I get what he is saying, but even when they had an elite LT, good RT, very good LG and C and a below average RG that graded out as one of the top overall units that didn't give up many sacks or QB hits, people still s**t on them and talked a out how poor they were.
True. Overall it was an above average unit for sure. Unfortunately, injuries happened again and by the time the playoffs came around, they struggled with run blocking and pass protection (esp. in known situations). You're not going to win a Superbowl with Trent Williams ailing, a 36 year old Mack playing his 20th game and Daniel Brunskill and Tom Compton as your right side. And that's exactly what happened. But that's not to take away from what they accomplished overall.
In fact, if I were ask you at the start of the season how far this team could go with just Daniel Brunskill and Tom Compton starting all year, I'm guessing only 1 person would pick the NFCCG. LOL
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
What is solid to some is stinky to others.. and vice versa. I'm still missing the point and what the 2 vs 3 OL scenario has to do with us ?
not too fond of the podcast..was the assesment saying we have 3 guys on the inside that stink ?
NC s**t on Laken for years....dude was the epitome of continuity and unity in SF. Never missed a game and him and Joe/Trent worked that left side for years. Laken is gone and now it's all of a sudden a big deal lol? I always said he was a fine LG and did his job....wasn't enough for some in here and now those same people are complaining he's gone (and got paid). Turns out he might actually be better compared to the rest of the league and what they have on the interior. shocker.
I'm not a massive Banks fan, but I also haven't seen what he's been doing behind the scenes for a year now. I thought he had slow feet and would still get out muscled even though he's bigger than everyone. Maybe a year in the weight room and fixing his body will do the trick (plus being next to Trent). It also looks like they will be running more power/inside to off set how defenses are lining up to stop the wide zone.
I don't think Brunskill is amazing, but he's another guy that fits the whole continuity and unity thing that people are complaining about. Multiple year starter here, been in this scheme even longer.
In a ideal world you get 5 pro-bowl OL that have played together without missing a snap for 3 to 4 years...that in most cases isn't reality.
People want continuity, yet also want SF to get different IOL all the same lol? Hard to have continuity and unity when you also want different players.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
NC s**t on Laken for years....dude was the epitome of continuity and unity in SF. Never missed a game and him and Joe/Trent worked that left side for years. Laken is gone and now it's all of a sudden a big deal lol? I always said he was a fine LG and did his job....wasn't enough for some in here and now those same people are complaining he's gone (and got paid). Turns out he might actually be better compared to the rest of the league and what they have on the interior. shocker.
I'm not a massive Banks fan, but I also haven't seen what he's been doing behind the scenes for a year now. I thought he had slow feet and would still get out muscled even though he's bigger than everyone. Maybe a year in the weight room and fixing his body will do the trick (plus being next to Trent). It also looks like they will be running more power/inside to off set how defenses are lining up to stop the wide zone.
I don't think Brunskill is amazing, but he's another guy that fits the whole continuity and unity thing that people are complaining about. Multiple year starter here, been in this scheme even longer.
In a ideal world you get 5 pro-bowl OL that have played together without missing a snap for 3 to 4 years...that in most cases isn't reality.
People want continuity, yet also want SF to get different IOL all the same lol? Hard to have continuity and unity when you also want different players.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
What is solid to some is stinky to others.. and vice versa. I'm still missing the point and what the 2 vs 3 OL scenario has to do with us ?
not too fond of the podcast..was the assesment saying we have 3 guys on the inside that stink ?
I get what he is saying, but even when they had an elite LT, good RT, very good LG and C and a below average RG that graded out as one of the top overall units that didn't give up many sacks or QB hits, people still s**t on them and talked a out how poor they were.
True. Overall it was an above average unit for sure. Unfortunately, injuries happened again and by the time the playoffs came around, they struggled with run blocking and pass protection (esp. in known situations). You're not going to win a Superbowl with Trent Williams ailing, a 36 year old Mack playing his 20th game and Daniel Brunskill and Tom Compton as your right side. And that's exactly what happened. But that's not to take away from what they accomplished overall.
In fact, if I were ask you at the start of the season how far this team could go with just Daniel Brunskill and Tom Compton starting all year, I'm guessing only 1 person would pick the NFCCG. LOL
Originally posted by NYniner85:
NC s**t on Laken for years....dude was the epitome of continuity and unity in SF. Never missed a game and him and Joe/Trent worked that left side for years. Laken is gone and now it's all of a sudden a big deal lol? I always said he was a fine LG and did his job....wasn't enough for some in here and now those same people are complaining he's gone (and got paid). Turns out he might actually be better compared to the rest of the league and what they have on the interior. shocker.
I'm not a massive Banks fan, but I also haven't seen what he's been doing behind the scenes for a year now. I thought he had slow feet and would still get out muscled even though he's bigger than everyone. Maybe a year in the weight room and fixing his body will do the trick (plus being next to Trent). It also looks like they will be running more power/inside to off set how defenses are lining up to stop the wide zone.
I don't think Brunskill is amazing, but he's another guy that fits the whole continuity and unity thing that people are complaining about. Multiple year starter here, been in this scheme even longer.
In a ideal world you get 5 pro-bowl OL that have played together without missing a snap for 3 to 4 years...that in most cases isn't reality.
People want continuity, yet also want SF to get different IOL all the same lol? Hard to have continuity and unity when you also want different players.
Here we go
Round one……fight!
NC your turn
***Ding Ding***
"Get up you sonofab***h. Mickey loves ya!"
Laken was only crapped on where he crapped the bed...pass protection and key penalties esp. inside the RZ. When you put your QB on I.R. twice in the same year on failed pass protection sets, you've got issues, esp. when playing next to Joe Staley and Trent Williams your entire career. Had that happened to a QB like Brady, Mahomes, Burrow, etc. those coaches would have bought and drafted a new G the following off season.
Oh wait...
On the real, I was all for keeping Laken for the stability, continuity and because we already had enough question marks on the OL with a new QB about to start. He also had his best year overall last year so his steady improvement was encouraging. We were also going to move to more power, gap, Inside zone, pulling, etc. and thought he would be an excellent fit for that. He's our only good pulling guard. He was already an excellent run blocker and this would have given him the chance to play at that new contract.
Brunskill stinks at G (worse at C) and stability is not why one should stick with him. He doesn't have first round talent like Tomlinson did. He's an UDFA, plays like one over time and is best served as a top utility player who can get you through a few games when needed.
Continuity was thrown out the window when they let Tomlinson get away and Mack retired. So that's moot either way.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
NC s**t on Laken for years....dude was the epitome of continuity and unity in SF. Never missed a game and him and Joe/Trent worked that left side for years. Laken is gone and now it's all of a sudden a big deal lol? I always said he was a fine LG and did his job....wasn't enough for some in here and now those same people are complaining he's gone (and got paid). Turns out he might actually be better compared to the rest of the league and what they have on the interior. shocker.
I'm not a massive Banks fan, but I also haven't seen what he's been doing behind the scenes for a year now. I thought he had slow feet and would still get out muscled even though he's bigger than everyone. Maybe a year in the weight room and fixing his body will do the trick (plus being next to Trent). It also looks like they will be running more power/inside to off set how defenses are lining up to stop the wide zone.
I don't think Brunskill is amazing, but he's another guy that fits the whole continuity and unity thing that people are complaining about. Multiple year starter here, been in this scheme even longer.
In a ideal world you get 5 pro-bowl OL that have played together without missing a snap for 3 to 4 years...that in most cases isn't reality.
People want continuity, yet also want SF to get different IOL all the same lol? Hard to have continuity and unity when you also want different players.
