Will our offense be different with Lance?

At the beginning of the year I expect to see a jimmy type offense with some nuances trickled in.. then once were at the playoff push part of the season we will get more dynamic. So I expect a heavy rushing attack in the beginning then once Trey shows how comfortable he is, we will get the offense we expect when we drafted someone like Trey.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

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Originally posted by 49ers808:
This was pretty good regarding our OLine

TY! I was going to post this one today. He's spot on with the importance of unity and how he'd rather have 5 quality players than two top end tackles and question marks inside (us currently). Bingo.

ah the perfect roster with top end talent at every position.. never will happen

Bro, do you ever get the point? LOL

please tell me what is the point

He was assessing where our OL is today and as a former professional OL, noted how important continuity and unity (playing with the guy on your right/left/both) is crucial to unit success. You DON'T need to have 5 all pro's but a talented enough unit that can play perfectly in unison. Of that, he'd prefer 5 really solid OL playing together over 2 terrific tackles and 3 meh players...meaning talent is still important and that talent together is even more important. Meaning if the 3 inside stink, the 2 terrific tackles will be moot.

Agree with the Video that good, above average, talent across the board on the OLine -- is better than two hall of fame players, and the rest of the OLIne being below average. Specially if they all have played together for a long time. What I will also add is that you can have above average (but not all pro level talent) on that OLine, but if they are smart, that multiplies their talents towards a better level of play. The varied blocks and angles that Kyle uses for his run game is breathtakingly complex and deep. Just the ability to memorize the plays and all the many ways an OLineman can block his defender - with regards to the play call is an important skill too. A big key to Kyle's OLine (as it was with Walsh and McKittrick) is their athleticism *and* their smarts. This is still a timing and precision offense. If Mike Person would been smart and used a cut block on Chris Jones on that 3rd down play in the Lombardi game, and brought Chris' hands down, I think Jimmy completes that slant pass. In other words, being smart -- in Kyle's offensive blocking scheme -- can be a talent multiplier.

Oh for sure. I wish I still had the tweet but an OL expert listed all the different types of running plays Kyle called in one specific game and it was insane.

I fully agree with the athleticism + high football IQ.

That said, if we're moving to more gap, power and IZ, you're going to need stronger players. Mack, Garland, Brunskill, Person, Compton, MM, etc. really struggled holding the point at the LOS against some DL's and specific DL on strength alone. That was one of the reasons they struggled in 3rd and 4th in short and the RZ.

I don't think Kyle's going to be a predominantly Inside Zone or Gap and Power. I think he'll want more of a mix, with the outside zone predominant. I think Trey's mobility plus a slight preponderance of the outside zone will be that sweet spot. One reason is that Steve Young was basically unstoppable on that boot action play back in the days. There will still be a good mixture of inside zone and power, and that will cross up those DLinemen keying in on the outside zone concepts. Trey has an unusual accuracy while on the run, and I think Kyle will take advantage of that.

I don't think Kyle needs to get bigger OLinemen to convert those third or fourth and shorts. Trey is that 11th man on the run that the defenses will have trouble containing if they load up on the run in trying to stop Mitchell and company. However, I think Kyle IS getting bigger OLinemen to Beef up, so to speak, his inside power game. Banks, Zakelj, Sutherland, and Moore are unusually big for Kyle's typical OLinemen. I think, as you said, those bigger and more powerful guards can really do some inside run damage - and they are still athletic enough to run Kyle's outside zone.

P.S. I love Poe's skill set. I'd list him as a TE. He can come in on 3rd and short or Goal line, and make that OLIne unbalanced, and he can come in on other downs without having the refs announce that he's eligible as a pass receiver. Can you imagine Poe - going in motion - and trap blocking Aaron Donald?

I think what type of runs the 49ers use in that day's gameplan will be influenced by what type of defensive front the opponent comes out with. I can imagine Lance having the freedom to check into the type of run play, at the line of scrimmage, that best suits the situation, on a per play basis. Kyle drafting bigger RB/OL will give him the flexibility he wants to execute outside zone and gap concepts. We'll see how well it comes together since he just lost his run game coordinator (McDaniel).

Personally I think Kyle is going to destroy any fast break defenses (i.e. nickel defenses) with the kind of run game he's developing. As for typical Vic Fangio slow 3-4 defenses, I think Kyle's outside zone runs will take care of those kinds of slow - linebacker centric - defenses. All in all, I'm actually more excited for Kyle's run offense vs his pass offense under Trey. Although, I already know Trey is going to turbo charge Kyle's passing game with his god given talents.

Same. I know we hate seeing Lance run the ball, especially with the way he doesn't protect himself, but it's the run game's diversity that I am anxious to see. A QB that is a run threat will open up a new dimension to Kyle's 49er run game. I can see Lance getting some very easy running touchdowns when inside the 5 yard line. He might take a small hit, but as long as he isn't trying to truck defenders I think he'll be fine. Rollouts should now put a lot of stress on defenders with Aiyuk deep, Deebo intermediate, Kittle short, and Lance running as a decent fallback option.

God I hope our offense operates better than that AZ game where all Trey did was run the read option all game. That was a horrible offense

Originally posted by Youngone:
God I hope our offense operates better than that AZ game where all Trey did was run the read option all game. That was a horrible offense

I'm confident we won't be seeing that again this season lol . Lance should be better prepared this year and I doubt Kyle wants his franchise running again like he did against the Cardinals

One Read n Run Offense !!!

Let's go Baby Face !!!!!!

GO NINERSSSS !!!

I feel like where our offense will be better with lance is the ability to extend drives, (especially late in games with a lead). Two areas that I feel like the offense has most struggled the last two years, late in games with a lead and 3rd/4th & short. I think the fact that we have a qb that is a threat to run/scramble and that back that we drafted out of lsu will solve a lot of our squandering leads late in games and not converting those short yardage situations.

I think one of the ways this offense will change is having Anthony Lynn be a *true* Offensive coordinator for Kyle. I think Anthony has the chops to call plays for Kyle - or at least take on all the responsibilities of an offensive coordinator - but calling the plays. Over time, once Kyle get's comfortable with Anthony, I can see him giving more and more responsibility to Anthony - possibly including play calling duties. It won't happen right away, but I can see the Kyle/Anthony coaching relationship evolving in that direction.

"(My head) was spinning earlier, but things have slowed down," Lynn said. "Looking at the whole process and how you want to do it, looking at the play book and the terminology, you know this was obviously Greg Roman's system. I would implement a different system, but I can work within this one, and the coaches around me can, too, so we're doing to make this one work."

That's the elephant in the room. The Bills may have moved on from Roman, but they are still stuck with his system.

"Look man, it's a challenge," Lynn said. "I accept the challenge. Think I'm the right guy for the challenge and I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my responsibility to get us going, and we'll figure it out."
[...]
"Ever since, like I said, three years ago I decided I wanted to be an OC and I had an opportunity to do it and my organization denied me and ever since then I've been preparing and hoping to get another opportunity and it just so happened last week," Lynn said.

Now, Lynn has what he described as a "helluva challenge." But if he's able to navigate this situation, he'll have quite the line on his resume.
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2016/09/buffalo_bills_oc_anthony_lynn_trying_to_make_greg_romans_system_work.html

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think one of the ways this offense will change is having Anthony Lynn be a *true* Offensive coordinator for Kyle. I think Anthony has the chops to call plays for Kyle - or at least take on all the responsibilities of an offensive coordinator - but calling the plays. Over time, once Kyle get's comfortable with Anthony, I can see him giving more and more responsibility to Anthony - possibly including play calling duties. It won't happen right away, but I can see the Kyle/Anthony coaching relationship evolving in that direction.

"(My head) was spinning earlier, but things have slowed down," Lynn said. "Looking at the whole process and how you want to do it, looking at the play book and the terminology, you know this was obviously Greg Roman's system. I would implement a different system, but I can work within this one, and the coaches around me can, too, so we're doing to make this one work."

That's the elephant in the room. The Bills may have moved on from Roman, but they are still stuck with his system.

"Look man, it's a challenge," Lynn said. "I accept the challenge. Think I'm the right guy for the challenge and I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my responsibility to get us going, and we'll figure it out."
[...]
"Ever since, like I said, three years ago I decided I wanted to be an OC and I had an opportunity to do it and my organization denied me and ever since then I've been preparing and hoping to get another opportunity and it just so happened last week," Lynn said.

Now, Lynn has what he described as a "helluva challenge." But if he's able to navigate this situation, he'll have quite the line on his resume.
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2016/09/buffalo_bills_oc_anthony_lynn_trying_to_make_greg_romans_system_work.html

Haha. I can't imagine being stuck with Greg Roman's hodge podge offense. 10,000 pages. All plays. No rhythm.

Reporter: "You seemed to have had success early with the run game and then stopped. Why is that?"
Greg: "We didn't get to those plays in our play script."

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think one of the ways this offense will change is having Anthony Lynn be a *true* Offensive coordinator for Kyle. I think Anthony has the chops to call plays for Kyle - or at least take on all the responsibilities of an offensive coordinator - but calling the plays. Over time, once Kyle get's comfortable with Anthony, I can see him giving more and more responsibility to Anthony - possibly including play calling duties. It won't happen right away, but I can see the Kyle/Anthony coaching relationship evolving in that direction.

"(My head) was spinning earlier, but things have slowed down," Lynn said. "Looking at the whole process and how you want to do it, looking at the play book and the terminology, you know this was obviously Greg Roman's system. I would implement a different system, but I can work within this one, and the coaches around me can, too, so we're doing to make this one work."

That's the elephant in the room. The Bills may have moved on from Roman, but they are still stuck with his system.

"Look man, it's a challenge," Lynn said. "I accept the challenge. Think I'm the right guy for the challenge and I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my responsibility to get us going, and we'll figure it out."
[...]
"Ever since, like I said, three years ago I decided I wanted to be an OC and I had an opportunity to do it and my organization denied me and ever since then I've been preparing and hoping to get another opportunity and it just so happened last week," Lynn said.

Now, Lynn has what he described as a "helluva challenge." But if he's able to navigate this situation, he'll have quite the line on his resume.
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2016/09/buffalo_bills_oc_anthony_lynn_trying_to_make_greg_romans_system_work.html

Haha. I can't imagine being stuck with Greg Roman's hodge podge offense. 10,000 pages. All plays. No rhythm.

Reporter: "You seemed to have success with the run game and then stopped. Why is that?"
Greg: "We didn't have those plays in our play script."

Well at least Anthony Lynn has the Roman offense option, as a surprise package for defenses keying too much on Trey's passes.

I really think Trey, over time, will be a passer in the Drew Brees tier - such that the 49ers run game will be a secondary aspect to Kyle's offense. Till then, Kyle's run game is going to have to bear the 3rd down conversion pressure till Trey get's his 3rd down groove and converts 3rd downs and beats blitzes at Jimmy's level. Key is the OLine, as it always is, also.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think one of the ways this offense will change is having Anthony Lynn be a *true* Offensive coordinator for Kyle. I think Anthony has the chops to call plays for Kyle - or at least take on all the responsibilities of an offensive coordinator - but calling the plays. Over time, once Kyle get's comfortable with Anthony, I can see him giving more and more responsibility to Anthony - possibly including play calling duties. It won't happen right away, but I can see the Kyle/Anthony coaching relationship evolving in that direction.

"(My head) was spinning earlier, but things have slowed down," Lynn said. "Looking at the whole process and how you want to do it, looking at the play book and the terminology, you know this was obviously Greg Roman's system. I would implement a different system, but I can work within this one, and the coaches around me can, too, so we're doing to make this one work."

That's the elephant in the room. The Bills may have moved on from Roman, but they are still stuck with his system.

"Look man, it's a challenge," Lynn said. "I accept the challenge. Think I'm the right guy for the challenge and I'm not going to make any excuses. It's my responsibility to get us going, and we'll figure it out."
[...]
"Ever since, like I said, three years ago I decided I wanted to be an OC and I had an opportunity to do it and my organization denied me and ever since then I've been preparing and hoping to get another opportunity and it just so happened last week," Lynn said.

Now, Lynn has what he described as a "helluva challenge." But if he's able to navigate this situation, he'll have quite the line on his resume.
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2016/09/buffalo_bills_oc_anthony_lynn_trying_to_make_greg_romans_system_work.html

Haha. I can't imagine being stuck with Greg Roman's hodge podge offense. 10,000 pages. All plays. No rhythm.

Reporter: "You seemed to have success with the run game and then stopped. Why is that?"
Greg: "We didn't have those plays in our play script."

Well at least Anthony Lynn has the Roman offense option, as a surprise package for defenses keying too much on Trey's passes.

I really think Trey, over time, will be a passer in the Drew Brees tier - such that the 49ers run game will be a secondary aspect to Kyle's offense. Till then, Kyle's run game is going to have to bear the 3rd down conversion pressure till Trey get's his 3rd down groove and converts 3rd downs and beats blitzes at Jimmy's level. Key is the OLine, as it always is, also.

Wow, that would be fun to evolve into!

More intermediate and deep passes with Trey at the helm.

Originally posted by thl408:
Same. I know we hate seeing Lance run the ball, especially with the way he doesn't protect himself, but it's the run game's diversity that I am anxious to see. A QB that is a run threat will open up a new dimension to Kyle's 49er run game. I can see Lance getting some very easy running touchdowns when inside the 5 yard line. He might take a small hit, but as long as he isn't trying to truck defenders I think he'll be fine. Rollouts should now put a lot of stress on defenders with Aiyuk deep, Deebo intermediate, Kittle short, and Lance running as a decent fallback option.

I can't wait!

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Youngone:
God I hope our offense operates better than that AZ game where all Trey did was run the read option all game. That was a horrible offense

I'm confident we won't be seeing that again this season lol . Lance should be better prepared this year and I doubt Kyle wants his franchise running again like he did against the Cardinals

I am not.

"Trey's got more horsepower inside of him than I think he even knows of."

One of the reasons we drafted Trey is because he gives Shanahan a numbers advantage in the run game. I hope Trey has learned how to protect himself because I do not see the RPO's going away anytime soon. This offense will look more like the 2012 Redskins offense than it does the 2019 49ers or 2016 Falcons offenses.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Youngone:
God I hope our offense operates better than that AZ game where all Trey did was run the read option all game. That was a horrible offense

I'm confident we won't be seeing that again this season lol . Lance should be better prepared this year and I doubt Kyle wants his franchise running again like he did against the Cardinals

I am not.

"Trey's got more horsepower inside of him than I think he even knows of."

One of the reasons we drafted Trey is because he gives Shanahan a numbers advantage in the run game. I hope Trey has learned how to protect himself because I do not see the RPO's going away anytime soon. This offense will look more like the 2012 Redskins offense than it does the 2019 49ers or 2016 Falcons offenses.

Damn.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Youngone:
God I hope our offense operates better than that AZ game where all Trey did was run the read option all game. That was a horrible offense

I'm confident we won't be seeing that again this season lol . Lance should be better prepared this year and I doubt Kyle wants his franchise running again like he did against the Cardinals

I am not.

"Trey's got more horsepower inside of him than I think he even knows of."

One of the reasons we drafted Trey is because he gives Shanahan a numbers advantage in the run game. I hope Trey has learned how to protect himself because I do not see the RPO's going away anytime soon. This offense will look more like the 2012 Redskins offense than it does the 2019 49ers or 2016 Falcons offenses.

Damn.

Not necessarily a bad thing. Washington was 4th in ppg and 5th in ypg. The one thing the 2012 Washington team was missing was a defense and the 49ers have the potential to be a top 5 unit this seaaon.