Will our offense be different with Lance?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
So we are still in here talking about QBs running and getting hurt more than pocket passers in spite of there being zero evidence that QBs who run a lot get injured at a higher rate huh?

Where did you see that?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
So we are still in here talking about QBs running and getting hurt more than pocket passers in spite of there being zero evidence that QBs who run a lot get injured at a higher rate huh?

Where did you see that?

I was wondering the same thing.

You guys were literally discussing Trey's running and hoping he doesnt get injured. Both of you. Cmon guys, obviously you didnt explicitly state "running QBs get hurt more." But the fact that the conversation about him getting hurt is in reference to him running the ball, its clear you guys are concerned about injury from running. Running QBs dont get hurt more. There are zero studies or evidence that is the case.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You guys were literally discussing Trey's running and hoping he doesnt get injured. Both of you. Cmon guys, obviously you didnt explicitly state "running QBs get hurt more." But the fact that the conversation about him getting hurt is in reference to him running the ball, its clear you guys are concerned about injury from running. Running QBs dont get hurt more. There are zero studies or evidence that is the case.

Getting hurt often comes from contact. If you are running more and getting contacted more.. this is just common sense. Do you observe more injury with RBs vs QBs? RBs are usually chewed up and spit out by mid to late 20s. You see a lot of the greats.. Saquon, Gurley, CMC, having issues staying on the field. If he's running like KS had him vs ARZ, TL will not last long.. book it.

You can run without getting lit up.. Mahomes I rarely see get squared up and lit up. Granted he did one time got KO'd out of a playoff game. Slide, go out of bounds, run off schedule, etc. He should be fine if he does all that.

I think a huge component is coaching. The usage from Deebo.. and TL vs ARZ can be troubling at times. Kittle also. These guys take unreal contact over and over. I recall JG choosing to take on defenders when he had the boundary vs KC. Big mistake. We had $137m invested and he had significant injury that could have been avoided with the sideline. I like KS but we need better preservation of our top assets. Can't have Deebo, TL, Kittle, missing games.

Edit to add - Cam Newton, former league MVP, National Champ, Heisman, 15-1 Panthers, etc. He's toast at this point when guys his age or even 8-10 years older are winning MVPs. He was a running QB and all those hits have added up his feet are busted. Not the same guy he was.. he is washed.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You guys were literally discussing Trey's running and hoping he doesnt get injured. Both of you. Cmon guys, obviously you didnt explicitly state "running QBs get hurt more." But the fact that the conversation about him getting hurt is in reference to him running the ball, its clear you guys are concerned about injury from running. Running QBs dont get hurt more. There are zero studies or evidence that is the case.

I did mention him protecting himself better but that was not the main topic of our conversation.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You guys were literally discussing Trey's running and hoping he doesnt get injured. Both of you. Cmon guys, obviously you didnt explicitly state "running QBs get hurt more." But the fact that the conversation about him getting hurt is in reference to him running the ball, its clear you guys are concerned about injury from running. Running QBs dont get hurt more. There are zero studies or evidence that is the case.

I did mention him protecting himself better but that was not the main topic of our conversation.

This. Steve's study is from 1975 too when there were like 3 "mobile QB's" all trying to be reeled in to pro style systems.

Now? Over half the league has mobile QB's. Would it be far fetched to think guys on the move get injured more? Maybe. Maybe not. We'd need to see more current studies and where they got injured.

But I'm just as afraid for in pocket protection (for us) as going solo outside it. Trey got hurt inside and outside the pocket. So

PS: But that's just me being the Harris Barton of the WZ.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Youngone:
God I hope our offense operates better than that AZ game where all Trey did was run the read option all game. That was a horrible offense

I'm confident we won't be seeing that again this season lol . Lance should be better prepared this year and I doubt Kyle wants his franchise running again like he did against the Cardinals

I am not.

"Trey's got more horsepower inside of him than I think he even knows of."

One of the reasons we drafted Trey is because he gives Shanahan a numbers advantage in the run game. I hope Trey has learned how to protect himself because I do not see the RPO's going away anytime soon. This offense will look more like the 2012 Redskins offense than it does the 2019 49ers or 2016 Falcons offenses.

Damn.

Not necessarily a bad thing. Washington was 4th in ppg and 5th in ypg. The one thing the 2012 Washington team was missing was a defense and the 49ers have the potential to be a top 5 unit this seaaon.

It came with a price though. Plus it's boring. LOL

That is why I hope Trey has learned how to protect himself. RGIII never did and it cost him big time. I am not sure why that type of offense is boring, especially since it put them in the top 5 for scoring and yards with a lot of explosive plays to boot.

For sure...and not diving on the backs of OL's legs. LOL

We're already going to be a run-centric team so picturing Trey running up in between the T's too for 3-6 yards also is boring.

The explosives will be nice though!

Trey won't be running between the tackles. He will either hand it off or keep it and run outside the tackles. I think you are mistaking the 2020 Ravens and 2012 Redskins offenses. LOL

Haha. Maybe.

Last year vs Arizona I was baffled by that game plan. He ran way too much, even after NOT having a lot of success and taking plenty of hits. I won't want to see a repeat of that. It was a debacle of a game plan. Excited for the future tho!

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Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Youngone:
God I hope our offense operates better than that AZ game where all Trey did was run the read option all game. That was a horrible offense

I'm confident we won't be seeing that again this season lol . Lance should be better prepared this year and I doubt Kyle wants his franchise running again like he did against the Cardinals

I am not.

"Trey's got more horsepower inside of him than I think he even knows of."

One of the reasons we drafted Trey is because he gives Shanahan a numbers advantage in the run game. I hope Trey has learned how to protect himself because I do not see the RPO's going away anytime soon. This offense will look more like the 2012 Redskins offense than it does the 2019 49ers or 2016 Falcons offenses.

Damn.

Not necessarily a bad thing. Washington was 4th in ppg and 5th in ypg. The one thing the 2012 Washington team was missing was a defense and the 49ers have the potential to be a top 5 unit this seaaon.

It came with a price though. Plus it's boring. LOL

That is why I hope Trey has learned how to protect himself. RGIII never did and it cost him big time. I am not sure why that type of offense is boring, especially since it put them in the top 5 for scoring and yards with a lot of explosive plays to boot.

For sure...and not diving on the backs of OL's legs. LOL

We're already going to be a run-centric team so picturing Trey running up in between the T's too for 3-6 yards also is boring.

The explosives will be nice though!

Trey won't be running between the tackles. He will either hand it off or keep it and run outside the tackles. I think you are mistaking the 2020 Ravens and 2012 Redskins offenses. LOL

Haha. Maybe.

Last year vs Arizona I was baffled by that game plan. He ran way touch, even after NOT having a lot of success and taking plenty of hits. I won't want to see a repeat of that. It was a debacle of a game plan. Excited for the future tho!

A lot was up the gut too, right? In his college film, he had a lot of success running up in between the tackles. Maybe more than any QB I could remember. I found it odd but he did have success there.

So maybe Kyle thought that would be comfortable here for him?

Originally posted by NCommand:
A lot was up the gut too, right? In his college film, he had a lot of success running up in between the tackles. Maybe more than any QB I could remember. I found it odd but he did have success there.

So maybe Kyle thought that would be comfortable here for him?

This kinda stuff makes me want to vomit in terror.

JG remember he got busted before the ink dried on that $137m deal. KS should fine these QBs every time they get hit unnecessarily. They are simply too valuable to take career altering hits.

Keep the QB clean, folks.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A lot was up the gut too, right? In his college film, he had a lot of success running up in between the tackles. Maybe more than any QB I could remember. I found it odd but he did have success there.

So maybe Kyle thought that would be comfortable here for him?

This kinda stuff makes me want to vomit in terror.

JG remember he got busted before the ink dried on that $137m deal. KS should fine these QBs every time they get hit unnecessarily. They are simply too valuable to take career altering hits.

Keep the QB clean, folks.

You are going to have a heart attack when you read what YAC posted a couple pages back about Mike and RGIII on the running topic.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A lot was up the gut too, right? In his college film, he had a lot of success running up in between the tackles. Maybe more than any QB I could remember. I found it odd but he did have success there.

So maybe Kyle thought that would be comfortable here for him?

This kinda stuff makes me want to vomit in terror.

JG remember he got busted before the ink dried on that $137m deal. KS should fine these QBs every time they get hit unnecessarily. They are simply too valuable to take career altering hits.

Keep the QB clean, folks.

You are going to have a heart attack when you read what YAC posted a couple pages back about Mike and RGIII on the running topic.

Don't even need to go back, I remember it well. RG3 I followed his career from college and enjoyed his rookie year in a big way. Perhaps the most irresponsible management of an asset I have ever seen in watching NFL.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A lot was up the gut too, right? In his college film, he had a lot of success running up in between the tackles. Maybe more than any QB I could remember. I found it odd but he did have success there.

So maybe Kyle thought that would be comfortable here for him?

This kinda stuff makes me want to vomit in terror.

JG remember he got busted before the ink dried on that $137m deal. KS should fine these QBs every time they get hit unnecessarily. They are simply too valuable to take career altering hits.

Keep the QB clean, folks.

You are going to have a heart attack when you read what YAC posted a couple pages back about Mike and RGIII on the running topic.

Don't even need to go back, I remember it well. RG3 I followed his career from college and enjoyed his rookie year in a big way. Perhaps the most irresponsible management of an asset I have ever seen in watching NFL.

RGIII pretty much demanded they not run him anymore. Mike told him if he didn't run anymore and didn't make it as a pocket passer that he would be out of the league in 4-5 years. Mike's prediction came true. RGIII never made it as a pure pocket passer.

Personally, I would rather have Trey be a pocket passer who can escape pressure and make plays and not be a RB like Lamar. That Arizona game was very Lamar esque. Trey seemed more comfortable using his legs to ad lib than he did running on designed plays. If Trey can develop as a pocket passer and we only use designed runs occasionally to keep that threat alive that would be my ideal scenario for him.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A lot was up the gut too, right? In his college film, he had a lot of success running up in between the tackles. Maybe more than any QB I could remember. I found it odd but he did have success there.

So maybe Kyle thought that would be comfortable here for him?

This kinda stuff makes me want to vomit in terror.

JG remember he got busted before the ink dried on that $137m deal. KS should fine these QBs every time they get hit unnecessarily. They are simply too valuable to take career altering hits.

Keep the QB clean, folks.

You are going to have a heart attack when you read what YAC posted a couple pages back about Mike and RGIII on the running topic.

Don't even need to go back, I remember it well. RG3 I followed his career from college and enjoyed his rookie year in a big way. Perhaps the most irresponsible management of an asset I have ever seen in watching NFL.

RGIII pretty much demanded they not run him anymore. Mike told him if he didn't run anymore and didn't make it as a pocket passer that he would be out of the league in 4-5 years. Mike's prediction came true. RGIII never made it as a pure pocket passer.

Personally, I would rather have Trey be a pocket passer who can escape pressure and make plays and not be a RB like Lamar. That Arizona game was very Lamar esque. Trey seemed more comfortable using his legs to ad lib than he did running on designed plays. If Trey can develop as a pocket passer and we only use designed runs occasionally to keep that threat alive that would be my ideal scenario for him.

Here's a link. That convo if true.. took place after RG3 suffered career altering injury. The convo is also rumored to be Dan Snyder using RG3 as a mouthpiece. The link details it.

He was not the same player after the injury, from the pocket or otherwise.

https://www.sbnation.com/2015/9/1/9232961/robert-griffin-iii-washington-jay-gruden-dan-snyder-mike-shanahan-injury-concussion

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A lot was up the gut too, right? In his college film, he had a lot of success running up in between the tackles. Maybe more than any QB I could remember. I found it odd but he did have success there.

So maybe Kyle thought that would be comfortable here for him?

This kinda stuff makes me want to vomit in terror.

JG remember he got busted before the ink dried on that $137m deal. KS should fine these QBs every time they get hit unnecessarily. They are simply too valuable to take career altering hits.

Keep the QB clean, folks.

You are going to have a heart attack when you read what YAC posted a couple pages back about Mike and RGIII on the running topic.

Don't even need to go back, I remember it well. RG3 I followed his career from college and enjoyed his rookie year in a big way. Perhaps the most irresponsible management of an asset I have ever seen in watching NFL.

RGIII pretty much demanded they not run him anymore. Mike told him if he didn't run anymore and didn't make it as a pocket passer that he would be out of the league in 4-5 years. Mike's prediction came true. RGIII never made it as a pure pocket passer.

Personally, I would rather have Trey be a pocket passer who can escape pressure and make plays and not be a RB like Lamar. That Arizona game was very Lamar esque. Trey seemed more comfortable using his legs to ad lib than he did running on designed plays. If Trey can develop as a pocket passer and we only use designed runs occasionally to keep that threat alive that would be my ideal scenario for him.

Here's a link. That convo if true.. took place after RG3 suffered career altering injury. The convo is also rumored to be Dan Snyder using RG3 as a mouthpiece. The link details it.

He was not the same player after the injury, from the pocket or otherwise.

https://www.sbnation.com/2015/9/1/9232961/robert-griffin-iii-washington-jay-gruden-dan-snyder-mike-shanahan-injury-concussion

I watched a lot of RGIII back in 2012 and 2013. He was great at running those RPO's, throwing screens and hitting wide open receivers off of playaction. When it came to reading defenses and throwing with anticipation he needed a lot of work. Perhaps his injury somehow prevented him from developing those traits but Idk. I will admit that they should have never let him back into that playoff game but RGIII shares some of the blame for that also.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy's most recent game, which is very similar to his other games, versus Lance's two starts. We can see where on the field each QB prefers to throw the ball. Small sample in Lance's case, but that's all we got at the moment. They are nearly polar opposites.

Hmmmm wonder if the play calls are the same (same offense) but just that the QB makes a difference in this

That is a very good question. It is obviously a very different spray pattern so who knows if that is Shanny changing the plays or Trey purely looking down field more?

Me thinks it is the same playbook, different player and trusting his more. So excited for the games to start so we can know for sure.