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  • thl408
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Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy's most recent game, which is very similar to his other games, versus Lance's two starts. We can see where on the field each QB prefers to throw the ball. Small sample in Lance's case, but that's all we got at the moment. They are nearly polar opposites.




Hmmmm wonder if the play calls are the same (same offense) but just that the QB makes a difference in this

That is a very good question. It is obviously a very different spray pattern so who knows if that is Shanny changing the plays or Trey purely looking down field more?

Me thinks it is the same playbook, different player and trusting his more. So excited for the games to start so we can know for sure.

I also lean towards it being the same/similar playcalls (for passing plays), with Lance showing a preference to target outside the numbers where there is less traffic.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy's most recent game, which is very similar to his other games, versus Lance's two starts. We can see where on the field each QB prefers to throw the ball. Small sample in Lance's case, but that's all we got at the moment. They are nearly polar opposites.




Hmmmm wonder if the play calls are the same (same offense) but just that the QB makes a difference in this

That is a very good question. It is obviously a very different spray pattern so who knows if that is Shanny changing the plays or Trey purely looking down field more?

Me thinks it is the same playbook, different player and trusting his more. So excited for the games to start so we can know for sure.

I also lean towards it being the same/similar playcalls (for passing plays), with Lance showing a preference to target outside the numbers where there is less traffic.

Same. I wonder if Kyle will call more designs where outside is the primary read too.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched a lot of RGIII back in 2012 and 2013. He was great at running those RPO's, throwing screens and hitting wide open receivers off of playaction. When it came to reading defenses and throwing with anticipation he needed a lot of work. Perhaps his injury somehow prevented him from developing those traits but Idk. I will admit that they should have never let him back into that playoff game but RGIII shares some of the blame for that also.

Keep this in mind when ppl say JG is a b for taking himself out.

If indeed he did that.. which maybe he didn't it's not really known.. just rumored from the Pats days.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy's most recent game, which is very similar to his other games, versus Lance's two starts. We can see where on the field each QB prefers to throw the ball. Small sample in Lance's case, but that's all we got at the moment. They are nearly polar opposites.




Hmmmm wonder if the play calls are the same (same offense) but just that the QB makes a difference in this

That is a very good question. It is obviously a very different spray pattern so who knows if that is Shanny changing the plays or Trey purely looking down field more?

Me thinks it is the same playbook, different player and trusting his more. So excited for the games to start so we can know for sure.

I also lean towards it being the same/similar playcalls (for passing plays), with Lance showing a preference to target outside the numbers where there is less traffic.

They may well be the same plays, but I think Kyle put more in the gameplan for Trey with the primary being deeper and outside the numbers.

We've seen how many passes are made targeting a first read, so Jimmy's must have been shallower and over the middle.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy's most recent game, which is very similar to his other games, versus Lance's two starts. We can see where on the field each QB prefers to throw the ball. Small sample in Lance's case, but that's all we got at the moment. They are nearly polar opposites.




Hmmmm wonder if the play calls are the same (same offense) but just that the QB makes a difference in this

That is a very good question. It is obviously a very different spray pattern so who knows if that is Shanny changing the plays or Trey purely looking down field more?

Me thinks it is the same playbook, different player and trusting his more. So excited for the games to start so we can know for sure.

I also lean towards it being the same/similar playcalls (for passing plays), with Lance showing a preference to target outside the numbers where there is less traffic.

They may well be the same plays, but I think Kyle put more in the gameplan for Trey with the primary being deeper and outside the numbers.

We've seen how many passes are made targeting a first read, so Jimmy's must have been shallower and over the middle.

Yeah, a good OC will call the primary to his QB's strengths esp. with Kyle who is a master at getting those open on scheme alone. Now if the play calls were the same including the primary (middle) and we see Trey's eyes moving from inside, hold, and then to outside, that would certainly give us more insight into the same play calls with Trey himself, choosing to go outside the numbers instead with a second or third read or ad lib.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched a lot of RGIII back in 2012 and 2013. He was great at running those RPO's, throwing screens and hitting wide open receivers off of playaction. When it came to reading defenses and throwing with anticipation he needed a lot of work. Perhaps his injury somehow prevented him from developing those traits but Idk. I will admit that they should have never let him back into that playoff game but RGIII shares some of the blame for that also.

Keep this in mind when ppl say JG is a b for taking himself out.

If indeed he did that.. which maybe he didn't it's not really known.. just rumored from the Pats days.

Why? Their injuries were no where near similar.
our defense should be best in the league as long as Bosa stays healthy

hope we just run it down opponent's throats, at least for the start of the season while Trey builds confidence
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
our defense should be best in the league as long as Bosa stays healthy

hope we just run it down opponent's throats, at least for the start of the season while Trey builds confidence

I don't think there's any doubt that's the plan.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
our defense should be best in the league as long as Bosa stays healthy

hope we just run it down opponent's throats, at least for the start of the season while Trey builds confidence

I don't think there's any doubt that's the plan.

Without a doubt.
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
our defense should be best in the league as long as Bosa stays healthy

hope we just run it down opponent's throats, at least for the start of the season while Trey builds confidence

I don't think there's any doubt that's the plan.

Without a doubt.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
our defense should be best in the league as long as Bosa stays healthy

hope we just run it down opponent's throats, at least for the start of the season while Trey builds confidence

I don't think there's any doubt that's the plan.

Without a doubt.


Another facet of that dynamic is, and one that I worry about, "at least for the start of the season while [Kyle] builds confidence [in Trey]."

I'm not taking a swipe at Shanahan (clealy, he's a great coach), but it is an odd quirk of--maybe even compulsion within--that clever brain of his that he has a hard time trusting younger players.

It'll be an interesting September.
[ Edited by BubbaParisMVP on Jul 17, 2022 at 2:01 PM ]
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched a lot of RGIII back in 2012 and 2013. He was great at running those RPO's, throwing screens and hitting wide open receivers off of playaction. When it came to reading defenses and throwing with anticipation he needed a lot of work. Perhaps his injury somehow prevented him from developing those traits but Idk. I will admit that they should have never let him back into that playoff game but RGIII shares some of the blame for that also.

Keep this in mind when ppl say JG is a b for taking himself out.

If indeed he did that.. which maybe he didn't it's not really known.. just rumored from the Pats days.

Why? Their injuries were no where near similar.

Yeah. That's a really odd comparison.

As for the OP's question...the offense better look different with Lance, otherwise what was the point of drafting him (don't say because JG is oft injured, because the 49ers could have solved that issue for far less than what Lance cost)?
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched a lot of RGIII back in 2012 and 2013. He was great at running those RPO's, throwing screens and hitting wide open receivers off of playaction. When it came to reading defenses and throwing with anticipation he needed a lot of work. Perhaps his injury somehow prevented him from developing those traits but Idk. I will admit that they should have never let him back into that playoff game but RGIII shares some of the blame for that also.

Keep this in mind when ppl say JG is a b for taking himself out.

If indeed he did that.. which maybe he didn't it's not really known.. just rumored from the Pats days.

Why? Their injuries were no where near similar.

Just saying you can't have it both ways. You can't say RG3 is to blame cuz he didn't take himself out. Then say JG is a b cuz he did. That's having it both ways.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I watched a lot of RGIII back in 2012 and 2013. He was great at running those RPO's, throwing screens and hitting wide open receivers off of playaction. When it came to reading defenses and throwing with anticipation he needed a lot of work. Perhaps his injury somehow prevented him from developing those traits but Idk. I will admit that they should have never let him back into that playoff game but RGIII shares some of the blame for that also.

Keep this in mind when ppl say JG is a b for taking himself out.

If indeed he did that.. which maybe he didn't it's not really known.. just rumored from the Pats days.

Why? Their injuries were no where near similar.

Just saying you can't have it both ways. You can't say RG3 is to blame cuz he didn't take himself out. Then say JG is a b cuz he did. That's having it both ways.

I am the one who stated that RGIII shares some of the blame for not taking himself out. I also never called Jimmy G a b***h. Jimmy came back too soon from that high ankle sprain in 2020 and he played 4 straight games with a thumb and shoulder injury from week 17 through the playoffs. I would never call Jimmy a b***h.
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