Will our offense be different with Lance?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
All of you guys thinking that there's going to be more passing plays called are gonna be really disappointed. This team is going to run even more than they did with Jimmy.

The odds are in your favor for sure.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
All of you guys thinking that there's going to be more passing plays called are gonna be really disappointed. This team is going to run even more than they did with Jimmy.

The odds are in your favor for sure.

Run the ball more yes in the beginning of the season but more chances of big plays down the field, by mid season it might be a little more mixed with Run and throwing plays.

Originally posted by thl408:
There was a play in the HOU preseason game where they sent two Go routes up the a sidelines, that's it, two Go routes. I've watched a lot of 49er film over the past few seasons and I don't recall that ever happening. I realize it's just preseason. Let's see it in a real game.

Its in Kyle's playbook from 2018. They're Go routes vs bump man and convert to stop-go's vs cushion. We've ran it a number of times. Think of a deep curl route we hit Aiyuk on against the Pats in 2020, was this same play.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
All of you guys thinking that there's going to be more passing plays called are gonna be really disappointed. This team is going to run even more than they did with Jimmy.

It's gonna be more run heavy but when they do pass it won't just be over the middle or behind the line of scrimmage. Every blade of grass has to be accounted for and that includes deep down the sidelines.

My thoughts exactly. All Trey has to do is connect on a couple of deep routes per game to keep the defense honest, and the run game , short and intermediate stuff all becomes even more viable. Kyle will make the opponents defend every inch of the field . Going to run the ball around 50%, but defenses will not be able to tee off on that prospect and crowd the line without paying for it. With a healthy RB stable , Deebo, Kittle,Aiyuk, Danny Gray…Just no clue each play where the ball might go. Should be fun to watch .

Originally posted by Team49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
All of you guys thinking that there's going to be more passing plays called are gonna be really disappointed. This team is going to run even more than they did with Jimmy.

The odds are in your favor for sure.

Run the ball more yes in the beginning of the season but more chances of big plays down the field, by mid season it might be a little more mixed with Run and throwing plays.

No question!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Team49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
All of you guys thinking that there's going to be more passing plays called are gonna be really disappointed. This team is going to run even more than they did with Jimmy.

The odds are in your favor for sure.

Run the ball more yes in the beginning of the season but more chances of big plays down the field, by mid season it might be a little more mixed with Run and throwing plays.

No question!

Agree 💯%, I think the ideal is a very diversified run game - both outside zone, inside zone, and power, then on the passing game, short, medium and long. Specializing in Long (assuming Kyle stays with a predominantly run first philosophy). I"m predicting Trey is going to run a ton of those QB boot passes to the TE/Fullback this season. Hope has done his cardio!

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Its in Kyle's playbook from 2018. They're Go routes vs bump man and convert to stop-go's vs cushion. We've ran it a number of times. Think of a deep curl route we hit Aiyuk on against the Pats in 2020, was this same play.

Saw you on the John Chapman podcast. Good job. Look foward to seeing your film breakdowns this year.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
All of you guys thinking that there's going to be more passing plays called are gonna be really disappointed. This team is going to run even more than they did with Jimmy.

A huge chunk of Jimmy's passes were really glorified runs anyway. Let's not pretend like we had some huge passing offense to begin with.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
All of you guys thinking that there's going to be more passing plays called are gonna be really disappointed. This team is going to run even more than they did with Jimmy.

That would be difficult. I don't see the run/pass ratio changing much, only the distribution between the different ball carriers.

If we do run a lot more, that's probably a good sign for our W/L record.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
All of you guys thinking that there's going to be more passing plays called are gonna be really disappointed. This team is going to run even more than they did with Jimmy.

That would be difficult. I don't see the run/pass ratio changing much, only the distribution between the different ball carriers.

If we do run a lot more, that's probably a good sign for our W/L record.

Jimmy hasn't been a threat to run since early 2018. If Trey has to scramble a lot, that could skew the run:pass ratio.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
It's gonna be more run heavy but when they do pass it won't just be over the middle or behind the line of scrimmage. Every blade of grass has to be accounted for and that includes deep down the sidelines.

Agreed. I was just talking about the guys claiming we were going to air it out now that Trey is starting. It's like they don't know how our coach coaches. He could have the best passer in the history of the NFL and he'd still be a guy who wants to establish the run.

I'd count on Trey getting 20-25 passes a game if Shanahan has his way. The inexperience along the offensive line, combined with Trey still being a bit green dictate that. If we average much more than that, it will be because we are being forced to throw. I believe that is also why we moved on from the smaller backs to hopefully more durable ones.

I think they are going to play it like Pittsburgh did with Roethlisberger (hopefully without the rapey part), lean on the defense, running game, and special teams and give Trey all of the support they can. Which gives Trey the best chance to succeed.

Originally posted by random49er:
A huge chunk of Jimmy's passes were really glorified runs anyway. Let's not pretend like had some huge passing offense to begin with.

Who's pretending?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
All of you guys thinking that there's going to be more passing plays called are gonna be really disappointed. This team is going to run even more than they did with Jimmy.

That would be difficult. I don't see the run/pass ratio changing much, only the distribution between the different ball carriers.

If we do run a lot more, that's probably a good sign for our W/L record.

That last line is why we will run more. Kyle is going to avoid putting it on Trey's shoulders. He doesn't want him under too much pressure while trying to learn the position.

I did a little research this morning. I wanted see where our top 2 WR's stack up against some of the top WR's in the league when it comes to efficiency. I used rates by total targets. These numbers include playoffs and regular season.

Here is another done the same way but with the top TE's in the league.