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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
His reference of ATL doesn't make sense though in the way he was presenting them. He tries to paint them as a pass happy offense, when they were 26th out of 32 in the league in passing attempts and 12th in run attempts. They were literally a running team that got high volume passing yards because of Julio. If the niners get more passing yards it will be because of deeper attempts not because of them throwing the ball significantly more.


Originally posted by NCommand:
I know. I was trying to be nice since he was courteous enough to make the thread-topic.

Literally the only reason I brought up ATL with regard to the pass is being able to utilize the whole field. I have no idea how you two get the the idea of me ever thinking of us being a pass happy offense and would like you guys share my post in this thread or the Gray thread that "presented" this thought. It's either a reading comprehension issue on your part or I didn't post what I meant to say correctly.
^ It starts on page 32 of the Danny Gray thread. Is it because I said he would like an "explosive" offense?
@Memphis, you do realize that an offense can be explosive BECAUSE of the run game don't you? That offense put up points like nobody's business and for ME it was explosive because it could put up points and lots of it in a hurry if need be or even wanted. The play action worked because the run game worked and the QB actually hit those shots. Our offense this far has been more dink and dunk over the middle in large part and would only be "explosive" if the person catching the ball broke tackles and got it all YAC. First post of this thread is what I think and I don't know how to paint a clearer picture for you
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
His reference of ATL doesn't make sense though in the way he was presenting them. He tries to paint them as a pass happy offense, when they were 26th out of 32 in the league in passing attempts and 12th in run attempts. They were literally a running team that got high volume passing yards because of Julio. If the niners get more passing yards it will be because of deeper attempts not because of them throwing the ball significantly more.


Originally posted by NCommand:
I know. I was trying to be nice since he was courteous enough to make the thread-topic.

Literally the only reason I brought up ATL with regard to the pass is being able to utilize the whole field. I have no idea how you two get the the idea of me ever thinking of us being a pass happy offense and would like you guys share my post in this thread or the Gray thread that "presented" this thought. It's either a reading comprehension issue on your part or I didn't post what I meant to say correctly.

TBF, the only time fans bring up ATL and Kyle's teams as a YOLO 'OC' is to justify their thinking Kyle has a pass centric philosophy while not looking at the last 6 years as a 'HC.'

I understand your take. You've actually predicted less passing attempts than me this year.

I agree with your premise of using the full field more (outside the hashes and some deeper shots either by script or off script). For fun, I laid out some individual player predictions to reflect that.

So overall, you believe we'll pass around 480 times but will simply be more "explosive" within those attempts. Is that accurate?

I'm assuming you don't expect around 5K like ATL, right? That that explosiveness will reflect in similar yards as last year but with less attempts? More TD's? Higher Time to Throw but much higher CAY (air yards and average depth of target), higher volume of +15's, etc.?

Would you expect less efficiency on 3rd downs? Lower TOP? More points allowed (as a result)? Less 4 minute drills ending in points? Higher % of RZ scores? More penalties? More 3 and outs? More clunky drives followed by quick-strike explosive scores?

Have any parameters?

Maybe it would be more clear if you defined "explosive" more clearly???

These are the kinds of things I'd love to know what others think for this year.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 30, 2022 at 7:05 AM ]
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think in this day and age of a pass happy NFL, the run game is a bit of a relief from all the NFL fast break offenses. Personally, the Bo Schembechler offense is a pretty boring one from a play-call point of view. It's a very basic simple offense. There isn't much beauty, timing or precision in it's execution versus the way a pass offense incorporates those aspects. The Bo offense is more of a brute on brute/power on power painful kind of offense.

However, Kyle's run offense is wonderfully creative. I think his run offenses have a lot of timing and precision in it's designs. If Alex Gibbs was Bill Walsh's OLine coach - I think Bill would have had a much more creative run game vs the green bay sweeps the employed as counters to defenses loading up on his passing game. Kyle's run game with the bubble screens, draws, sprint outs, counter tosses, windbacks, traps, QB draws and boots, zone runs, and gap blocking is as fun to watch (for me) as Kyle's passing game is.
I agree! Hopefully he's only just getting started.
Maiocco has:

Trey - 3,200 yards | 60% | 90 PRTG | 24 TD's | 12 INT's | 400 yards rushing | 7 TD's
Mitchell - 800 yards, 4 TD's
TDP - 500 yards, 6 TD's
3 Receivers close to 1K each (Aiyuk, Deebo & Kittle)
Originally posted by NCommand:
TBF, the only time fans bring up ATL and Kyle's teams as a YOLO 'OC' is to justify their thinking Kyle has a pass centric philosophy while not looking at the last 6 years as a 'HC.'

I understand your take. You've actually predicted less passing attempts than me this year.

I agree with your premise of using the full field more (outside the hashes and some deeper shots either by script or off script). For fun, I laid out some individual player predictions to reflect that.

So overall, you believe we'll pass around 480 times but will simply be more "explosive" within those attempts. Is that accurate?

I'm assuming you don't expect around 5K like ATL, right? That that explosiveness will reflect in similar yards as last year but with less attempts? More TD's? Higher Time to Throw but much higher CAY (air yards and average depth of target), higher volume of +15's, etc.?

Would you expect less efficiency on 3rd downs? Lower TOP? More points allowed (as a result)? Less 4 minute drills ending in points? Higher % of RZ scores? More penalties? More 3 and outs? More clunky drives followed by quick-strike explosive scores?

Have any parameters?

Maybe it would be more clear if you defined "explosive" more clearly???

These are the kinds of things I'd love to know what others think for this year.

I mean TBF, I could care less about why or when other fans bring up Kyles offense with ATL in this situation because we are talking about why I brought it up. The YOLO OC thing came from your mouth when YOU said I can't use the ATL offense. You and Memphis are saying that I've said things that I didn't and AGAIN you can't point out where I said we would be pass happy or centric because I didn't and never have. To answer a part of your question, by "explosive" in regard to the pass game I simply mean it the way our team and Kyle uses that word "explosives" meaning big plays. I believe we will see bigger plays down the field with Trey vice the main way our explosives came with Jimmy under center which is/was a 10 yard pass going for 40 through YAC. Of course I still expect those with our YAC monsters in Kittle/Deebo etc.. but the simple take is deeper shots and more of them with Trey. I also believe our run game will have more explosives simply for my thoughts of the addition of Trey opening up more of the field and keeping defenses honest with those shots and backing them up when they stack the box. Trey himself will get some big runs with RPOS/Read option plays; something Jimmy never could offer or add to the offense. That in and of itself will make or offense look different to us fans and defensive coordinators around the league now having to game plan for 11 on 11. The beauty in that is that I honestly don't think Trey is a one read and go, run first QB, but teams will still always have to prepare for it
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by NCommand:
TBF, the only time fans bring up ATL and Kyle's teams as a YOLO 'OC' is to justify their thinking Kyle has a pass centric philosophy while not looking at the last 6 years as a 'HC.'

I understand your take. You've actually predicted less passing attempts than me this year.

I agree with your premise of using the full field more (outside the hashes and some deeper shots either by script or off script). For fun, I laid out some individual player predictions to reflect that.

So overall, you believe we'll pass around 480 times but will simply be more "explosive" within those attempts. Is that accurate?

I'm assuming you don't expect around 5K like ATL, right? That that explosiveness will reflect in similar yards as last year but with less attempts? More TD's? Higher Time to Throw but much higher CAY (air yards and average depth of target), higher volume of +15's, etc.?

Would you expect less efficiency on 3rd downs? Lower TOP? More points allowed (as a result)? Less 4 minute drills ending in points? Higher % of RZ scores? More penalties? More 3 and outs? More clunky drives followed by quick-strike explosive scores?

Have any parameters?

Maybe it would be more clear if you defined "explosive" more clearly???

These are the kinds of things I'd love to know what others think for this year.

I mean TBF, I could care less about why or when other fans bring up Kyles offense with ATL in this situation because we are talking about why I brought it up. The YOLO OC thing came from your mouth when YOU said I can't use the ATL offense. You and Memphis are saying that I've said things that I didn't and AGAIN you can't point out where I said we would be pass happy or centric because I didn't and never have. To answer a part of your question, by "explosive" in regard to the pass game I simply mean it the way our team and Kyle uses that word "explosives" meaning big plays. I believe we will see bigger plays down the field with Trey vice the main way our explosives came with Jimmy under center which is/was a 10 yard pass going for 40 through YAC. Of course I still expect those with our YAC monsters in Kittle/Deebo etc.. but the simple take is deeper shots and more of them with Trey. I also believe our run game will have more explosives simply for my thoughts of the addition of Trey opening up more of the field and keeping defenses honest with those shots and backing them up when they stack the box. Trey himself will get some big runs with RPOS/Read option plays; something Jimmy never could offer or add to the offense. That in and of itself will make or offense look different to us fans and defensive coordinators around the league now having to game plan for 11 on 11. The beauty in that is that I honestly don't think Trey is a one read and go, run first QB, but teams will still always have to prepare for it

All good. I understand your take.

And I agree with it as well. Obviously.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Seeing a trend among those that agree with me; waiting for response from those that won't agree cause I think I know who it will be

You were originally trying to prop up the historic ATL offense under Kyle's YOLO OC role and imply that that's what he wants as a HC here, ignoring 6 years of off season team building to the contrary to that where the running game and defense has been front and center. That year, a classic pocket passer, had 536 passing attempts for nearly 5K yards. Nuts. Would that be fun? Hell yeah. But is that how Kyle's built this team thus far? Not so much.

But let's see if it starts to evolve next off season.

I wasn't ignoring anything; you jumped in on my post with Memphis. Prop up? I simply said that I believe the offense he ran/had there was more a reflection of what he wants then the limited one we've had here. Seems like a no s**t sherlock too me; as you said a historic offense with a QB playing at an MVP level and humming run game. The running game was still top notch at that time and the defense was rightfully so on Dan Quinn. You keep throwing out that team building thing; was Trey Lance not a part of it? Oh wait, you answered my question regarding that with a good ol THIS OFF-SEASON

You all over the place man. In Danny Gray thread you saying essentially the offense "6 years team building" is exactly what Kyle wants and it will all be the same and then contradict yourself in this thread

You make zero sense here.

First you tried to imply we'd be a pass centric offense and quickly referenced the ATL as your gold standard. Then you try to pivot to Danny Gray as proof we're moving towards that, once again ignoring that the Aldrick Robinson role is still just a 200-300 yard receiver who helps others too with his speed on ghost routes. That's an important role but not one that signifies Kyle is going OC pass-centric YOLO again. He's got a full team to run here and literally every moves he's made, including this off season where Trey is the clear starting QB, has screamed, "We're a running team ~ John Lynch." 6 years Kyle has had to build his team exactly how he wants.

I simply asked you what evidence do you see that signifies we're moving towards a pass centric offense now that the Garoppolo era is over?

So which is it? Is the entire philosophy changing to a more pass centric offense like in ATL (your reference) and like his predecessors in McVay and LaFleur or is he going to continue with his run-centric offense with a featured FB even with 3 first round picks used on a QB with more mobility?

I'm all ears.

Also, I've stated my projections. Let's see yours. It's all for fun. It's not like we all don't want to see a more explosive and entertaining offense even within a low volume of passing like we've done to date. Also, would love to hear your thoughts on HOW the offense will change with Trey...because it certainly will.

Wow NC, seriously? I make zero sense? You have now gone off the rails with this post man.

1. Show me a single post where I implied that we would move towards a pass centric offense. I've stated the exact opposite both in this thread and the Danny Gray thread. I referenced the ATL offense AS A WHOLE, both pass and run game as the offense that I believe Shanahan wants, one without limitations. An offense in which his QB uses the entire field and is playing at an MVP level while his run game is humming. The Danny Gray thread is where this conversation began and reason I created this thread; YOU are literally the reason I made this thread to begin with. Danny Gray was "pivoted" too because YOU said there was ZERO indication of him changing anything and that I couldn't use the ATL offense as an example because he was a YOLO OC only looking for a HC job. That I couldn't use Lance as indication of wanting change and you meant THIS off-season. So with those stipulations that YOU desired, I used Danny Gray as an indication for THIS off-season as him wanting the deep threat and actually with a QB that will target that deep threat.

2. You asked what? Re-read where it all began and you jumped in my post with Memphis in the Danny Gray thread.

3. You did state your projections; asked for mine; I gave you mine and you literally commented on it in this freaking thread. Seriously brah? My thoughts on how this offense will change is literally how I began this freaking thread. If you'd love to hear it again, rewind to yesterday, start from square one where you put yourself into a conversation with me in Grays thread; take a look at the post where I told you that I'd make a thread for this and you thanked me for it; take it all in; then open this thread again and come at me with something that hasn't already been answered and please reference where I implied we would be a pass centric offense.

Referencing a historic 5K offense is your pass centric offense. When I asked what made you think we were moving in that direction you referenced Trey and Gray.

So again, which way are you leaning now? Based on your one projection of run-pass ratio, you actually think we'll pass LESS than my projection.

So that's why I'm confused with your take. Mine has been very consistent. Run-pass ratio will be roughly the same as in our successful years but there will be many differences within those very low number of passing attempts.

It SOUNDS like you'd wish it would become more pass centric but there doesn't seem to be any real evidence to support that so you guesstimated even less passing attempts than I did. LOL

I like this topic you started and would still like you to expand upon what your expectations will be and what those differences might end up being (I stated mine already in scheme and individual player stats).

The difference is that the passing game itself (the actual PLAYS) will more closely resemble 2016 Atlanta (the frequent PA, more frequent down the field stuff). The main reason is because Trey is more comfortable with intermediate and deep stuff than rhythm stuff.

But that's assuming Trey doesn't progress there. If he progresses to where he is good at the quick game, the passing game will simply attack all levels if the field.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Seeing a trend among those that agree with me; waiting for response from those that won't agree cause I think I know who it will be

You were originally trying to prop up the historic ATL offense under Kyle's YOLO OC role and imply that that's what he wants as a HC here, ignoring 6 years of off season team building to the contrary to that where the running game and defense has been front and center. That year, a classic pocket passer, had 536 passing attempts for nearly 5K yards. Nuts. Would that be fun? Hell yeah. But is that how Kyle's built this team thus far? Not so much.

But let's see if it starts to evolve next off season.

I wasn't ignoring anything; you jumped in on my post with Memphis. Prop up? I simply said that I believe the offense he ran/had there was more a reflection of what he wants then the limited one we've had here. Seems like a no s**t sherlock too me; as you said a historic offense with a QB playing at an MVP level and humming run game. The running game was still top notch at that time and the defense was rightfully so on Dan Quinn. You keep throwing out that team building thing; was Trey Lance not a part of it? Oh wait, you answered my question regarding that with a good ol THIS OFF-SEASON

You all over the place man. In Danny Gray thread you saying essentially the offense "6 years team building" is exactly what Kyle wants and it will all be the same and then contradict yourself in this thread

You make zero sense here.

First you tried to imply we'd be a pass centric offense and quickly referenced the ATL as your gold standard. Then you try to pivot to Danny Gray as proof we're moving towards that, once again ignoring that the Aldrick Robinson role is still just a 200-300 yard receiver who helps others too with his speed on ghost routes. That's an important role but not one that signifies Kyle is going OC pass-centric YOLO again. He's got a full team to run here and literally every moves he's made, including this off season where Trey is the clear starting QB, has screamed, "We're a running team ~ John Lynch." 6 years Kyle has had to build his team exactly how he wants.

I simply asked you what evidence do you see that signifies we're moving towards a pass centric offense now that the Garoppolo era is over?

So which is it? Is the entire philosophy changing to a more pass centric offense like in ATL (your reference) and like his predecessors in McVay and LaFleur or is he going to continue with his run-centric offense with a featured FB even with 3 first round picks used on a QB with more mobility?

I'm all ears.

Also, I've stated my projections. Let's see yours. It's all for fun. It's not like we all don't want to see a more explosive and entertaining offense even within a low volume of passing like we've done to date. Also, would love to hear your thoughts on HOW the offense will change with Trey...because it certainly will.

Wow NC, seriously? I make zero sense? You have now gone off the rails with this post man.

1. Show me a single post where I implied that we would move towards a pass centric offense. I've stated the exact opposite both in this thread and the Danny Gray thread. I referenced the ATL offense AS A WHOLE, both pass and run game as the offense that I believe Shanahan wants, one without limitations. An offense in which his QB uses the entire field and is playing at an MVP level while his run game is humming. The Danny Gray thread is where this conversation began and reason I created this thread; YOU are literally the reason I made this thread to begin with. Danny Gray was "pivoted" too because YOU said there was ZERO indication of him changing anything and that I couldn't use the ATL offense as an example because he was a YOLO OC only looking for a HC job. That I couldn't use Lance as indication of wanting change and you meant THIS off-season. So with those stipulations that YOU desired, I used Danny Gray as an indication for THIS off-season as him wanting the deep threat and actually with a QB that will target that deep threat.

2. You asked what? Re-read where it all began and you jumped in my post with Memphis in the Danny Gray thread.

3. You did state your projections; asked for mine; I gave you mine and you literally commented on it in this freaking thread. Seriously brah? My thoughts on how this offense will change is literally how I began this freaking thread. If you'd love to hear it again, rewind to yesterday, start from square one where you put yourself into a conversation with me in Grays thread; take a look at the post where I told you that I'd make a thread for this and you thanked me for it; take it all in; then open this thread again and come at me with something that hasn't already been answered and please reference where I implied we would be a pass centric offense.

Referencing a historic 5K offense is your pass centric offense. When I asked what made you think we were moving in that direction you referenced Trey and Gray.

So again, which way are you leaning now? Based on your one projection of run-pass ratio, you actually think we'll pass LESS than my projection.

So that's why I'm confused with your take. Mine has been very consistent. Run-pass ratio will be roughly the same as in our successful years but there will be many differences within those very low number of passing attempts.

It SOUNDS like you'd wish it would become more pass centric but there doesn't seem to be any real evidence to support that so you guesstimated even less passing attempts than I did. LOL

I like this topic you started and would still like you to expand upon what your expectations will be and what those differences might end up being (I stated mine already in scheme and individual player stats).

The difference is that the passing game itself (the actual PLAYS) will more closely resemble 2016 Atlanta (the frequent PA, more frequent down the field stuff). The main reason is because Trey is more comfortable with intermediate and deep stuff than rhythm stuff.

But that's assuming Trey doesn't progress there. If he progresses to where he is good at the quick game, the passing game will simply attack all levels if the field.

That'll be a fun side-by-side comparison with dudes like thl, JD and Wrath (passing play parallels). So you're saying the quality of the passes will resemble that ATL offense more than what we've seen to date under Jimmy.

As to the next point, that certainly would be ideal!
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Seeing a trend among those that agree with me; waiting for response from those that won't agree cause I think I know who it will be

You were originally trying to prop up the historic ATL offense under Kyle's YOLO OC role and imply that that's what he wants as a HC here, ignoring 6 years of off season team building to the contrary to that where the running game and defense has been front and center. That year, a classic pocket passer, had 536 passing attempts for nearly 5K yards. Nuts. Would that be fun? Hell yeah. But is that how Kyle's built this team thus far? Not so much.

But let's see if it starts to evolve next off season.

I wasn't ignoring anything; you jumped in on my post with Memphis. Prop up? I simply said that I believe the offense he ran/had there was more a reflection of what he wants then the limited one we've had here. Seems like a no s**t sherlock too me; as you said a historic offense with a QB playing at an MVP level and humming run game. The running game was still top notch at that time and the defense was rightfully so on Dan Quinn. You keep throwing out that team building thing; was Trey Lance not a part of it? Oh wait, you answered my question regarding that with a good ol THIS OFF-SEASON

You all over the place man. In Danny Gray thread you saying essentially the offense "6 years team building" is exactly what Kyle wants and it will all be the same and then contradict yourself in this thread

You make zero sense here.

First you tried to imply we'd be a pass centric offense and quickly referenced the ATL as your gold standard. Then you try to pivot to Danny Gray as proof we're moving towards that, once again ignoring that the Aldrick Robinson role is still just a 200-300 yard receiver who helps others too with his speed on ghost routes. That's an important role but not one that signifies Kyle is going OC pass-centric YOLO again. He's got a full team to run here and literally every moves he's made, including this off season where Trey is the clear starting QB, has screamed, "We're a running team ~ John Lynch." 6 years Kyle has had to build his team exactly how he wants.

I simply asked you what evidence do you see that signifies we're moving towards a pass centric offense now that the Garoppolo era is over?

So which is it? Is the entire philosophy changing to a more pass centric offense like in ATL (your reference) and like his predecessors in McVay and LaFleur or is he going to continue with his run-centric offense with a featured FB even with 3 first round picks used on a QB with more mobility?

I'm all ears.

Also, I've stated my projections. Let's see yours. It's all for fun. It's not like we all don't want to see a more explosive and entertaining offense even within a low volume of passing like we've done to date. Also, would love to hear your thoughts on HOW the offense will change with Trey...because it certainly will.

Wow NC, seriously? I make zero sense? You have now gone off the rails with this post man.

1. Show me a single post where I implied that we would move towards a pass centric offense. I've stated the exact opposite both in this thread and the Danny Gray thread. I referenced the ATL offense AS A WHOLE, both pass and run game as the offense that I believe Shanahan wants, one without limitations. An offense in which his QB uses the entire field and is playing at an MVP level while his run game is humming. The Danny Gray thread is where this conversation began and reason I created this thread; YOU are literally the reason I made this thread to begin with. Danny Gray was "pivoted" too because YOU said there was ZERO indication of him changing anything and that I couldn't use the ATL offense as an example because he was a YOLO OC only looking for a HC job. That I couldn't use Lance as indication of wanting change and you meant THIS off-season. So with those stipulations that YOU desired, I used Danny Gray as an indication for THIS off-season as him wanting the deep threat and actually with a QB that will target that deep threat.

2. You asked what? Re-read where it all began and you jumped in my post with Memphis in the Danny Gray thread.

3. You did state your projections; asked for mine; I gave you mine and you literally commented on it in this freaking thread. Seriously brah? My thoughts on how this offense will change is literally how I began this freaking thread. If you'd love to hear it again, rewind to yesterday, start from square one where you put yourself into a conversation with me in Grays thread; take a look at the post where I told you that I'd make a thread for this and you thanked me for it; take it all in; then open this thread again and come at me with something that hasn't already been answered and please reference where I implied we would be a pass centric offense.

Referencing a historic 5K offense is your pass centric offense. When I asked what made you think we were moving in that direction you referenced Trey and Gray.

So again, which way are you leaning now? Based on your one projection of run-pass ratio, you actually think we'll pass LESS than my projection.

So that's why I'm confused with your take. Mine has been very consistent. Run-pass ratio will be roughly the same as in our successful years but there will be many differences within those very low number of passing attempts.

It SOUNDS like you'd wish it would become more pass centric but there doesn't seem to be any real evidence to support that so you guesstimated even less passing attempts than I did. LOL

I like this topic you started and would still like you to expand upon what your expectations will be and what those differences might end up being (I stated mine already in scheme and individual player stats).

The difference is that the passing game itself (the actual PLAYS) will more closely resemble 2016 Atlanta (the frequent PA, more frequent down the field stuff). The main reason is because Trey is more comfortable with intermediate and deep stuff than rhythm stuff.

But that's assuming Trey doesn't progress there. If he progresses to where he is good at the quick game, the passing game will simply attack all levels if the field.

That'll be a fun side-by-side comparison with dudes like thl, JD and Wrath (passing play parallels). So you're saying the quality of the passes will resemble that ATL offense more than what we've seen to date under Jimmy.

As to the next point, that certainly would be ideal!

No. I mean where the qb chooses to attack, and more pa/rollout stuff
Deep balls, more throws outside the numbers, more aiyuk and deebo catching the ball 20+ yards downfield not 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage and needing to break 10 tackles to get a first down.
Another one.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
No. I mean where the qb chooses to attack, and more pa/rollout stuff

Originally posted by NCommand:
Another one.


Already projected to be better than Jimmy's best season in his first starting season?
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Already projected to be better than Jimmy's best season in his first starting season?

These crazy FF/Madden kids.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 31, 2022 at 12:17 PM ]
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