2022 49ers Training Camp Thread

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Not a negative Nancy at all.

I fully expect plenty of bonehead plays mixed with some 'wow' plays from Lance.

He'll need more than one season as the starting QB to be consistent and reliable.

I guess you (deliberately) missed this part of my post.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Because he's being negative about him. Anyone that's being objective about the situation would understand there's gonna be ups and downs with Lance…anyone expecting greatness day 1 is only fooling themselves. s**t takes time and reps, something he should have gotten last yr imo.

to many people around here have to thin a skin or they think they need to LEAP to the defense of kyle and lynch when anyone voices any sort of concern and they get slapped with a negative nancy label or have thier fandom questioned

Originally posted by Joecool:
Kickers can easily play up to 50. Age isn't the issue, it's paying them the standard salary increases as they stay longer in the league. Why pay a 45 year-old kicker $4M that is solid on FGs when you can pay a younger one a very small percent of that for just a slight downgrade on accuracy, or maybe no downgrade at all.

You lost me at kickers can play to 50 easily. What on earth

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One thing to note.. we are turning into a WR factory... KS knows the position well. We have developed 2 ones.. JJ developing nicely.. now KS working on Gray

Aiyuk is not a 1 yet. I'm a big fan of his, but I need to see it before I anoint him.

What would it take to determine both Deebo and BA were 1s?

1000 yards receiving/rushing is the minimum bar.

I already consider Deebo a #1.

If Deebo gets 990 yards is he back to being a #2? Or is it where once a WR gets 1000 then he is forever considered a #1?

I would just chalk it up to being a down year, or maybe he got injured. But if that keeps happening consistently, then you would hope that its not a sign of decline, or maybe he is phoning it in after getting paid.

Originally posted by Silky:
Yea I would need that Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne type feel. That if a D tried to lockdown one of them, the other would thrive. Reggie and Marvin also had stats and numbers. I believe they both went over 1,000 yds a couple of seasons together.

For the record i'm not a stats guy. I just need to see consistent dominance from both. Even if Aiyuk ends with 40 yds on 3 receptions, how did he impact the defense? Did the D purposefully lock him down and Kittle and Deebo then ate their lunch? That's how I determine what a #1 is.

Agreed. "#1" is a subjective term, and it has to do more with how effective the WR is when there's a situation where a first down/touchdown needs to be had. 1000 yards is a nice benchmark, but there's more to it than that imo. As we watch a 49er WR enough, we'll know whether the player is a "#1", using whatever definition we have.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
What would it take to determine both Deebo and BA were 1s?

It's the eye test. They both pass as #1s in my book. Can you deal with these guys in one on ones? You will get torched all day. Okay that's a one right there.

The eye test seems pretty subjective. I feel like we're approaching FQB waters again…

IMO Deebo & Aiyuk have what it takes to be true #1 WRs, but the great thing is that this offense doesn't require that true #1 WR, but having these two will only help Trey. And as for stats, they're great and all, but it's more than numbers, let's see how they do blocking, how willing they are to take hits, so much more to being a top tier WR than stats IMO.

I think Justin Smith said it best; "Stats are for losers"

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One thing to note.. we are turning into a WR factory... KS knows the position well. We have developed 2 ones.. JJ developing nicely.. now KS working on Gray

Aiyuk is not a 1 yet. I'm a big fan of his, but I need to see it before I anoint him.

What would it take to determine both Deebo and BA were 1s?

1000 yards receiving/rushing is the minimum bar.

I already consider Deebo a #1.

If Deebo gets 990 yards is he back to being a #2? Or is it where once a WR gets 1000 then he is forever considered a #1?

I would just chalk it up to being a down year, or maybe he got injured. But if that keeps happening consistently, then you would hope that its not a sign of decline, or maybe he is phoning it in after getting paid.

Originally posted by Silky:
Yea I would need that Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne type feel. That if a D tried to lockdown one of them, the other would thrive. Reggie and Marvin also had stats and numbers. I believe they both went over 1,000 yds a couple of seasons together.

For the record i'm not a stats guy. I just need to see consistent dominance from both. Even if Aiyuk ends with 40 yds on 3 receptions, how did he impact the defense? Did the D purposefully lock him down and Kittle and Deebo then ate their lunch? That's how I determine what a #1 is.

Agreed. "#1" is a subjective term, and it has to do more with how effective the WR is when there's a situation where a first down/touchdown needs to be had. 1000 yards is a nice benchmark, but there's more to it than that imo. As we watch a 49er WR enough, we'll know whether the player is a "#1", using whatever definition we have.

I never once thought of Crabtree as a #1. He was a 2+ at times, but he never took that leap. I feel like he was the perfect example of the eye test. He had the charisma as a #1, the style of a #1, occasionally had stats like a #1, but in my heart I knew he was no #1 out there.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One thing to note.. we are turning into a WR factory... KS knows the position well. We have developed 2 ones.. JJ developing nicely.. now KS working on Gray

Aiyuk is not a 1 yet. I'm a big fan of his, but I need to see it before I anoint him.

What would it take to determine both Deebo and BA were 1s?

1000 yards receiving/rushing is the minimum bar.

I already consider Deebo a #1.

If Deebo gets 990 yards is he back to being a #2? Or is it where once a WR gets 1000 then he is forever considered a #1?

I would just chalk it up to being a down year, or maybe he got injured. But if that keeps happening consistently, then you would hope that its not a sign of decline, or maybe he is phoning it in after getting paid.

Originally posted by Silky:
Yea I would need that Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne type feel. That if a D tried to lockdown one of them, the other would thrive. Reggie and Marvin also had stats and numbers. I believe they both went over 1,000 yds a couple of seasons together.

For the record i'm not a stats guy. I just need to see consistent dominance from both. Even if Aiyuk ends with 40 yds on 3 receptions, how did he impact the defense? Did the D purposefully lock him down and Kittle and Deebo then ate their lunch? That's how I determine what a #1 is.

Agreed. "#1" is a subjective term, and it has to do more with how effective the WR is when there's a situation where a first down/touchdown needs to be had. 1000 yards is a nice benchmark, but there's more to it than that imo. As we watch a 49er WR enough, we'll know whether the player is a "#1", using whatever definition we have.

I never once thought of Crabtree as a #1. He was a 2+ at times, but he never took that leap. I feel like he was the perfect example of the eye test. He had the charisma as a #1, the style of a #1, occasionally had stats like a #1, but in my heart I knew he was no #1 out there.

What about Anquan Boldin?

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One thing to note.. we are turning into a WR factory... KS knows the position well. We have developed 2 ones.. JJ developing nicely.. now KS working on Gray

Aiyuk is not a 1 yet. I'm a big fan of his, but I need to see it before I anoint him.

What would it take to determine both Deebo and BA were 1s?

1000 yards receiving/rushing is the minimum bar.

I already consider Deebo a #1.

If Deebo gets 990 yards is he back to being a #2? Or is it where once a WR gets 1000 then he is forever considered a #1?

I would just chalk it up to being a down year, or maybe he got injured. But if that keeps happening consistently, then you would hope that its not a sign of decline, or maybe he is phoning it in after getting paid.

Originally posted by Silky:
Yea I would need that Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne type feel. That if a D tried to lockdown one of them, the other would thrive. Reggie and Marvin also had stats and numbers. I believe they both went over 1,000 yds a couple of seasons together.

For the record i'm not a stats guy. I just need to see consistent dominance from both. Even if Aiyuk ends with 40 yds on 3 receptions, how did he impact the defense? Did the D purposefully lock him down and Kittle and Deebo then ate their lunch? That's how I determine what a #1 is.

Agreed. "#1" is a subjective term, and it has to do more with how effective the WR is when there's a situation where a first down/touchdown needs to be had. 1000 yards is a nice benchmark, but there's more to it than that imo. As we watch a 49er WR enough, we'll know whether the player is a "#1", using whatever definition we have.

I never once thought of Crabtree as a #1. He was a 2+ at times, but he never took that leap. I feel like he was the perfect example of the eye test. He had the charisma as a #1, the style of a #1, occasionally had stats like a #1, but in my heart I knew he was no #1 out there.

Yup.. in college he was unreal.. didn't translate to the pros as well. Great hands, but not as physical as other good hands guys like Boldin and not an ankle breaker, hard time getting separation, etc. He was a fine #2.. which is not what you are looking for top 10.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One thing to note.. we are turning into a WR factory... KS knows the position well. We have developed 2 ones.. JJ developing nicely.. now KS working on Gray

Aiyuk is not a 1 yet. I'm a big fan of his, but I need to see it before I anoint him.

What would it take to determine both Deebo and BA were 1s?

1000 yards receiving/rushing is the minimum bar.

I already consider Deebo a #1.

If Deebo gets 990 yards is he back to being a #2? Or is it where once a WR gets 1000 then he is forever considered a #1?

I would just chalk it up to being a down year, or maybe he got injured. But if that keeps happening consistently, then you would hope that its not a sign of decline, or maybe he is phoning it in after getting paid.

Originally posted by Silky:
Yea I would need that Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne type feel. That if a D tried to lockdown one of them, the other would thrive. Reggie and Marvin also had stats and numbers. I believe they both went over 1,000 yds a couple of seasons together.

For the record i'm not a stats guy. I just need to see consistent dominance from both. Even if Aiyuk ends with 40 yds on 3 receptions, how did he impact the defense? Did the D purposefully lock him down and Kittle and Deebo then ate their lunch? That's how I determine what a #1 is.

Agreed. "#1" is a subjective term, and it has to do more with how effective the WR is when there's a situation where a first down/touchdown needs to be had. 1000 yards is a nice benchmark, but there's more to it than that imo. As we watch a 49er WR enough, we'll know whether the player is a "#1", using whatever definition we have.

I never once thought of Crabtree as a #1. He was a 2+ at times, but he never took that leap. I feel like he was the perfect example of the eye test. He had the charisma as a #1, the style of a #1, occasionally had stats like a #1, but in my heart I knew he was no #1 out there.

What about Anquan Boldin?

Hmmmmm that's a tough one. He was a bit older when he joined us. I'd say he was a #1- during that NFCCG year. Bolden still had his name so defenses respected him. I remember him disappearing at times, but defenses still had to account for him. That's part of being a #1.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One thing to note.. we are turning into a WR factory... KS knows the position well. We have developed 2 ones.. JJ developing nicely.. now KS working on Gray

Aiyuk is not a 1 yet. I'm a big fan of his, but I need to see it before I anoint him.

What would it take to determine both Deebo and BA were 1s?

1000 yards receiving/rushing is the minimum bar.

I already consider Deebo a #1.

If Deebo gets 990 yards is he back to being a #2? Or is it where once a WR gets 1000 then he is forever considered a #1?

I would just chalk it up to being a down year, or maybe he got injured. But if that keeps happening consistently, then you would hope that its not a sign of decline, or maybe he is phoning it in after getting paid.

Originally posted by Silky:
Yea I would need that Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne type feel. That if a D tried to lockdown one of them, the other would thrive. Reggie and Marvin also had stats and numbers. I believe they both went over 1,000 yds a couple of seasons together.

For the record i'm not a stats guy. I just need to see consistent dominance from both. Even if Aiyuk ends with 40 yds on 3 receptions, how did he impact the defense? Did the D purposefully lock him down and Kittle and Deebo then ate their lunch? That's how I determine what a #1 is.

Agreed. "#1" is a subjective term, and it has to do more with how effective the WR is when there's a situation where a first down/touchdown needs to be had. 1000 yards is a nice benchmark, but there's more to it than that imo. As we watch a 49er WR enough, we'll know whether the player is a "#1", using whatever definition we have.

I never once thought of Crabtree as a #1. He was a 2+ at times, but he never took that leap. I feel like he was the perfect example of the eye test. He had the charisma as a #1, the style of a #1, occasionally had stats like a #1, but in my heart I knew he was no #1 out there.

What about Anquan Boldin?

Hmmmmm that's a tough one. He was a bit older when he joined us. I'd say he was a #1- during that NFCCG year. Bolden still had his name so defenses respected him. I remember him disappearing at times, but defenses still had to account for him. That's part of being a #1.

Boldin is a no doubt one.. his first career game.. 10 catches 217 yards 2 TDs.. there was quite a rush to the fantasy waiver wire on that day..

If that's not a one I don't know what ya'll are looking at..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One thing to note.. we are turning into a WR factory... KS knows the position well. We have developed 2 ones.. JJ developing nicely.. now KS working on Gray

Aiyuk is not a 1 yet. I'm a big fan of his, but I need to see it before I anoint him.

What would it take to determine both Deebo and BA were 1s?

1000 yards receiving/rushing is the minimum bar.

I already consider Deebo a #1.

If Deebo gets 990 yards is he back to being a #2? Or is it where once a WR gets 1000 then he is forever considered a #1?

I would just chalk it up to being a down year, or maybe he got injured. But if that keeps happening consistently, then you would hope that its not a sign of decline, or maybe he is phoning it in after getting paid.

Originally posted by Silky:
Yea I would need that Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne type feel. That if a D tried to lockdown one of them, the other would thrive. Reggie and Marvin also had stats and numbers. I believe they both went over 1,000 yds a couple of seasons together.

For the record i'm not a stats guy. I just need to see consistent dominance from both. Even if Aiyuk ends with 40 yds on 3 receptions, how did he impact the defense? Did the D purposefully lock him down and Kittle and Deebo then ate their lunch? That's how I determine what a #1 is.

Agreed. "#1" is a subjective term, and it has to do more with how effective the WR is when there's a situation where a first down/touchdown needs to be had. 1000 yards is a nice benchmark, but there's more to it than that imo. As we watch a 49er WR enough, we'll know whether the player is a "#1", using whatever definition we have.

I never once thought of Crabtree as a #1. He was a 2+ at times, but he never took that leap. I feel like he was the perfect example of the eye test. He had the charisma as a #1, the style of a #1, occasionally had stats like a #1, but in my heart I knew he was no #1 out there.

What about Anquan Boldin?

Hmmmmm that's a tough one. He was a bit older when he joined us. I'd say he was a #1- during that NFCCG year. Bolden still had his name so defenses respected him. I remember him disappearing at times, but defenses still had to account for him. That's part of being a #1.

Boldin is a no doubt one.. his first career game.. 10 catches 217 yards 2 TDs.. there was quite a rush to the fantasy waiver wire on that day..

If that's not a one I don't know what ya'll are looking at..

Yea I agree I said he was a 1. With us he was older and not as good as prime Boldin, but he was still a #1. To me he wasn't a Moss, TO, Diggs, Adams #1.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Game Week baby!

🏈

I don't know about this excitement. Last year's preseason felt like a dead zone. Totally different than old preseason, which had a little excitement to it.

Man, if you can't get excited about seeing Trey launching some bombs from his Howitzer arm, I dont know what will excite you.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Man, if you can't get excited about seeing Trey launching some bombs from his Howitzer arm, I dont know what will excite you.

Man the only thing you'll hear me harping on are the high over the middle passes. That will get you picked off, and turnovers will be the determining factor on the upcoming season in my opinion. I do like the progress he is making though. He has been working hard on his footwork, and it's noticeable. He needs to get that release point down so the ball doesn't sail on his throws between the numbers. That should improve with repetition.

The niners are plenty good to carry Trey as long as it takes for him to get it together. Its way too early to be getting shook. Trey isn't Josh Allen, but I see him having a trajectory of Allen or Ben Rapistburger. He just has to not suck this year, and make it too hard on the stout defense that we appear to have.