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Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.

True, but on short yardage we need to use Mason like other big backs are used imo. Not saying Mason is unstoppable but his YPC are reliable. Kyle might need to keep it simple in short yardage situations, especially now with Brock being injured.

It's easy to second guess after games, but CMC getting less damage should be on Kyles radar and Mason has stepped up when his number has been called.

I agree with you though, there's something that's keeping him off the field, he (Mason) needs to get it fixed.
Originally posted by Patton:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.

True, but on short yardage we need to use Mason like other big backs are used imo. Not saying Mason is unstoppable but his YPC are reliable. Kyle might need to keep it simple in short yardage situations, especially now with Brock being injured.

It's easy to second guess after games, but CMC getting less damage should be on Kyles radar and Mason has stepped up when his number has been called.

I agree with you though, there's something that's keeping him off the field, he (Mason) needs to get it fixed.

i agree with that. i dont have a problem with Mason being the ball carrier in tush push situations. would prefer it. Brock shouldn't QB sneak in obvious situations anymore.
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.

No one is CMC, but with the way Mitchell is performing, I don't think Mason is a liability in the pass game like people assume he is, especially compared to Mitchell right now.

He looked good running route(s) a couple weeks ago.

Kyle is a great coach, but he's had issues with his RB usage.

Remember Mostert's performance in the SB.... or lack thereof? Now he's balling in Miami.

If Kyle truly doesn't trust him, he should trade for Patterson from the Falcons. Get someone in here that can actually take reps away from CMC.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.

No one is CMC, but with the way Mitchell is performing, I don't think Mason is a liability in the pass game like people assume he is, especially compared to Mitchell right now.

He looked good running route(s) a couple weeks ago.

Kyle is a great coach, but he's had issues with his RB usage.

Remember Mostert's performance in the SB.... or lack thereof? Now he's balling in Miami.

If Kyle truly doesn't trust him, he should trade for Patterson from the Falcons. Get someone in here that can actually take reps away from CMC.

Mason's lack of pass pro awareness directly led to an intentional grounding in the CLE loss while the Niners had the lead. that kind of stuff is just not gonna fly with Kyle. while Mitchell looks like a shell of his former self as a runner, he's still a better blocker right now.
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.

No one is CMC, but with the way Mitchell is performing, I don't think Mason is a liability in the pass game like people assume he is, especially compared to Mitchell right now.

He looked good running route(s) a couple weeks ago.

Kyle is a great coach, but he's had issues with his RB usage.

Remember Mostert's performance in the SB.... or lack thereof? Now he's balling in Miami.

If Kyle truly doesn't trust him, he should trade for Patterson from the Falcons. Get someone in here that can actually take reps away from CMC.

Mason's lack of pass pro awareness directly led to an intentional grounding in the CLE loss while the Niners had the lead. that kind of stuff is just not gonna fly with Kyle. while Mitchell looks like a shell of his former self as a runner, he's still a better blocker right now.

I wonder how many pass blocking reps he's had though. It can't be more than a handful.

I understand if he's proven over and over he can't do it, but you don't get better at something by sitting on the bench.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.

No one is CMC, but with the way Mitchell is performing, I don't think Mason is a liability in the pass game like people assume he is, especially compared to Mitchell right now.

He looked good running route(s) a couple weeks ago.

Kyle is a great coach, but he's had issues with his RB usage.

Remember Mostert's performance in the SB.... or lack thereof? Now he's balling in Miami.

If Kyle truly doesn't trust him, he should trade for Patterson from the Falcons. Get someone in here that can actually take reps away from CMC.

Mason's lack of pass pro awareness directly led to an intentional grounding in the CLE loss while the Niners had the lead. that kind of stuff is just not gonna fly with Kyle. while Mitchell looks like a shell of his former self as a runner, he's still a better blocker right now.

I wonder how many pass blocking reps he's had though. It can't be more than a handful.

I understand if he's proven over and over he can't do it, but you don't get better at something by sitting on the bench.

lol you also dont continue to put your QB in harms way hoping a kid will figure it out. this is the NFL not a developmental league.

all of this will be less of an issue when Deebo returns. he's the real #2 RB in this offense.
[ Edited by boast on Oct 26, 2023 at 4:14 PM ]
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I used to really like Elijah Mitchell, but I am getting to the point where I am over him. I want Mason to get 5 or so carries a game.

I've been at that point since week 1. Mason is by far the most underutilized player on the team.


Originally posted by bud49:
I want to see more Mason and less Mitchell.

I mean, how much Mitchell have you guys been seeing? Over the past two games I think I can count on one hand the amount of carries he got

Nonetheless, I would love to see more Mason as well. He should be the one running up the gut, not freaking CMC

You can count on one hand the amount of carries Mason has had too.
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.

No one is CMC, but with the way Mitchell is performing, I don't think Mason is a liability in the pass game like people assume he is, especially compared to Mitchell right now.

He looked good running route(s) a couple weeks ago.

Kyle is a great coach, but he's had issues with his RB usage.

Remember Mostert's performance in the SB.... or lack thereof? Now he's balling in Miami.

If Kyle truly doesn't trust him, he should trade for Patterson from the Falcons. Get someone in here that can actually take reps away from CMC.

Mason's lack of pass pro awareness directly led to an intentional grounding in the CLE loss while the Niners had the lead. that kind of stuff is just not gonna fly with Kyle. while Mitchell looks like a shell of his former self as a runner, he's still a better blocker right now.

I wonder how many pass blocking reps he's had though. It can't be more than a handful.

I understand if he's proven over and over he can't do it, but you don't get better at something by sitting on the bench.

lol you also dont continue to put your QB in harms way hoping a kid will figure it out. this is the NFL not a development league.

all of this will be less of an issue when Deebo returns. he's the real #2 RB in this offense.

Kyle's been more than comfortable with offensive lineman and tight end's who are dreadful at pass blocking.

I just watched our backup TE (warner?) in the backfield completely whiff on his assignment in the A gap, I'm sure he's getting plenty of playing time next week as well.

There's a balance between having your best blockers vs best runners in the game. Kyle can't have everything. Sometimes you need to sacrifice something. And right now he's sacrificing his the playmaking aspect because he believes Mitchell is a better blocker.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.

No one is CMC, but with the way Mitchell is performing, I don't think Mason is a liability in the pass game like people assume he is, especially compared to Mitchell right now.

He looked good running route(s) a couple weeks ago.

Kyle is a great coach, but he's had issues with his RB usage.

Remember Mostert's performance in the SB.... or lack thereof? Now he's balling in Miami.

If Kyle truly doesn't trust him, he should trade for Patterson from the Falcons. Get someone in here that can actually take reps away from CMC.

Mason's lack of pass pro awareness directly led to an intentional grounding in the CLE loss while the Niners had the lead. that kind of stuff is just not gonna fly with Kyle. while Mitchell looks like a shell of his former self as a runner, he's still a better blocker right now.

I wonder how many pass blocking reps he's had though. It can't be more than a handful.

I understand if he's proven over and over he can't do it, but you don't get better at something by sitting on the bench.

lol you also dont continue to put your QB in harms way hoping a kid will figure it out. this is the NFL not a development league.

all of this will be less of an issue when Deebo returns. he's the real #2 RB in this offense.

Kyle's been more than comfortable with offensive lineman and tight end's who are dreadful at pass blocking.

I just watched our backup TE (warner?) in the backfield completely whiff on his assignment in the A gap, I'm sure he's getting plenty of playing time next week as well.

There's a balance between having your best blockers vs best runners in the game. Kyle can't have everything. Sometimes you need to sacrifice something. And right now he's sacrificing his the playmaking aspect because he believes Mitchell is a better blocker.

I was gonna say, when has Kyle given a rip about unit pass protection. Haha. J/k
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.

No one is CMC, but with the way Mitchell is performing, I don't think Mason is a liability in the pass game like people assume he is, especially compared to Mitchell right now.

He looked good running route(s) a couple weeks ago.

Kyle is a great coach, but he's had issues with his RB usage.

Remember Mostert's performance in the SB.... or lack thereof? Now he's balling in Miami.

If Kyle truly doesn't trust him, he should trade for Patterson from the Falcons. Get someone in here that can actually take reps away from CMC.

Mason's lack of pass pro awareness directly led to an intentional grounding in the CLE loss while the Niners had the lead. that kind of stuff is just not gonna fly with Kyle. while Mitchell looks like a shell of his former self as a runner, he's still a better blocker right now.

I wonder how many pass blocking reps he's had though. It can't be more than a handful.

I understand if he's proven over and over he can't do it, but you don't get better at something by sitting on the bench.

lol you also dont continue to put your QB in harms way hoping a kid will figure it out. this is the NFL not a development league.

all of this will be less of an issue when Deebo returns. he's the real #2 RB in this offense.

Kyle's been more than comfortable with offensive lineman and tight end's who are dreadful at pass blocking.

I just watched our backup TE (warner?) in the backfield completely whiff on his assignment in the A gap, I'm sure he's getting plenty of playing time next week as well.

There's a balance between having your best blockers vs best runners in the game. Kyle can't have everything. Sometimes you need to sacrifice something. And right now he's sacrificing his the playmaking aspect because he believes Mitchell is a better blocker.

the performances at other positions have nothing to do with the RB position. again, JP is a liability. it's up to him to improve to see more snaps.

Kyle is doing what he feels is best for his offense.

"Kyle cant have everything" lol NT never change.
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.

No one is CMC, but with the way Mitchell is performing, I don't think Mason is a liability in the pass game like people assume he is, especially compared to Mitchell right now.

He looked good running route(s) a couple weeks ago.

Kyle is a great coach, but he's had issues with his RB usage.

Remember Mostert's performance in the SB.... or lack thereof? Now he's balling in Miami.

If Kyle truly doesn't trust him, he should trade for Patterson from the Falcons. Get someone in here that can actually take reps away from CMC.

Mason's lack of pass pro awareness directly led to an intentional grounding in the CLE loss while the Niners had the lead. that kind of stuff is just not gonna fly with Kyle. while Mitchell looks like a shell of his former self as a runner, he's still a better blocker right now.

I wonder how many pass blocking reps he's had though. It can't be more than a handful.

I understand if he's proven over and over he can't do it, but you don't get better at something by sitting on the bench.

lol you also dont continue to put your QB in harms way hoping a kid will figure it out. this is the NFL not a development league.

all of this will be less of an issue when Deebo returns. he's the real #2 RB in this offense.

Kyle's been more than comfortable with offensive lineman and tight end's who are dreadful at pass blocking.

I just watched our backup TE (warner?) in the backfield completely whiff on his assignment in the A gap, I'm sure he's getting plenty of playing time next week as well.

There's a balance between having your best blockers vs best runners in the game. Kyle can't have everything. Sometimes you need to sacrifice something. And right now he's sacrificing his the playmaking aspect because he believes Mitchell is a better blocker.

the performances at other positions have nothing to do with the RB position. again, JP is a liability. it's up to him to improve to see more snaps.

Kyle is doing what he feels is best for his offense.

"Kyle cant have everything" lol NT never change.

LOL being wrong and condescending at the same time - I call that the "Boast special".

Your argument was, "you dont continue to put your QB in harms way hoping a kid will figure it out. this is the NFL not a development league."

That same logic can be applied to Charlie Warner in the backfield. Why does he continue to have growing pains and get playing time? It's not apples to apples but your statement is wrong. Kyle's very patient with players who get our QB killed, that can be applied to other positions, why couldn't it be?

And of course Kyle is doing what he feels is best for the offense. But I provided the Mostert example and I could find plenty more of Kyle making mistakes with his RB usage over the years. This scheme is legendary for running RBs into the ground. That has to be scrutinized with the caliber of player like CMC until we win a SB.

Please put me on mute if you can't go two posts without being condescending or grow up.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Patton:
^ Good point on the amount of plays regarding Mason. Either way, Mason needs more carries if for nothing more than to give CMC a break. Mitchell for whatever reason isn't producing. Maybe Mason isn't up to par on his protection assignments, if that's the case in Kyles mind, he needs to use Mason solely as a runner. He's earned the chance to get more plays.

the offense is predicated on play action. it'll become apparent to defenses that theyre gonna run the ball with Mason. Kyle's not one to tip his hand.

look i think JP is a hell of a runner but he still has deficiencies that will keep him from getting significant touches unless injuries force it.

No one is CMC, but with the way Mitchell is performing, I don't think Mason is a liability in the pass game like people assume he is, especially compared to Mitchell right now.

He looked good running route(s) a couple weeks ago.

Kyle is a great coach, but he's had issues with his RB usage.

Remember Mostert's performance in the SB.... or lack thereof? Now he's balling in Miami.

If Kyle truly doesn't trust him, he should trade for Patterson from the Falcons. Get someone in here that can actually take reps away from CMC.

Mason's lack of pass pro awareness directly led to an intentional grounding in the CLE loss while the Niners had the lead. that kind of stuff is just not gonna fly with Kyle. while Mitchell looks like a shell of his former self as a runner, he's still a better blocker right now.

I wonder how many pass blocking reps he's had though. It can't be more than a handful.

I understand if he's proven over and over he can't do it, but you don't get better at something by sitting on the bench.

lol you also dont continue to put your QB in harms way hoping a kid will figure it out. this is the NFL not a development league.

all of this will be less of an issue when Deebo returns. he's the real #2 RB in this offense.

Kyle's been more than comfortable with offensive lineman and tight end's who are dreadful at pass blocking.

I just watched our backup TE (warner?) in the backfield completely whiff on his assignment in the A gap, I'm sure he's getting plenty of playing time next week as well.

There's a balance between having your best blockers vs best runners in the game. Kyle can't have everything. Sometimes you need to sacrifice something. And right now he's sacrificing his the playmaking aspect because he believes Mitchell is a better blocker.

the performances at other positions have nothing to do with the RB position. again, JP is a liability. it's up to him to improve to see more snaps.

Kyle is doing what he feels is best for his offense.

"Kyle cant have everything" lol NT never change.

LOL being wrong and condescending at the same time - I call that the "Boast special".

Your argument was, "you dont continue to put your QB in harms way hoping a kid will figure it out. this is the NFL not a development league."

That same logic can be applied to Charlie Warner in the backfield. Why does he continue to have growing pains and get playing time? It's not apples to apples but your statement is wrong. Kyle's very patient with players who get our QB killed, that can be applied to other positions, why couldn't it be?

And of course Kyle is doing what he feels is best for the offense. But I provided the Mostert example and I could find plenty more of Kyle making mistakes with his RB usage over the years. This scheme is legendary for running RBs into the ground. That has to be scrutinized with the caliber of player like CMC until we win a SB.

Please put me on mute if you can't go two posts without being condescending or grow up.


Woerner is playing because of depth at the position. the team drafted Latu to be #2. Latu is a better blocker than Woerner. Woerner is playing because Latu in unavailable. this is why it doest apply to RB position. Mitchell is available and a better blocker.

CMC is arguably the best player in the NFL and CMC wants to play. you and others are gonna need to accept the dude is going to touch the ball more than anyone else on the team. this isnt the NBA. there is no stupid "load management". you play and try win the game in front of you.

what's more condescending? you telling Kyle what he can or cant have from a computer like you know more than him or me laughing about it?

lol mute yourself dude... you replied to my comment.
Mason should be getting snaps. They need to sit Mitchell and give CMC some breaks.
Originally posted by boast:
Mason's still a liability. he needs to prove to Kyle he can be trusted.

youtu.be/O3TUcmz3UEc?si=ytchPS_KcHCeN1xF&t=1053

pickin his NOSE besides 32 wont help..
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