Week 3 @ Denver Broncos Coaches Film analysis thread

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If Jimmy needs to learn the playbook again every offseason, after being in the system for 6 years, how long is he actually capable of retaining information for? Is he working with the memory of a goldfish?

I guess Aaron Rodgers is a fool for going through OTA's, mini camps and TC every year. This whole time, I thought it was beneficial for quarterbacks to get practice time in the off-season. Silly me.

It's more beneficial to maintain timing and chemistry with his receivers, which Jimmy never had an interest in to begin with. Unless they are installing a new offense every year, how does a QB not remember plays from the previous years?

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If Jimmy needs to learn the playbook again every offseason, after being in the system for 6 years, how long is he actually capable of retaining information for? Is he working with the memory of a goldfish?

I guess Aaron Rodgers is a fool for going through OTA's, mini camps and TC every year. This whole time, I thought it was beneficial for quarterbacks to get practice time in the off-season. Silly me.

It's more beneficial to maintain timing and chemistry with his receivers, which Jimmy never had an interest in to begin with. Unless they are installing a new offense every year, how does a QB not remember plays from the previous years?

Alright, well this is going down a rabbit hole. If you have comments or questions about the coaches film - cool. If not, don't expect a response from me.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
O line was trash.

But top to bottom the whole team sucked. These guys needed to play in preseason.

Needed pre-season, Needed the QB who's playing now to have any kind of off-season, need time to gel with the last minute pivot. Jimmy needs to not make bad plays worse. There's lack of trust there between he and Kyle.

Why did we need Jimmy to have any kind of offseason? We moved on from that dude. Trey got hurt and we should actually be playing with one of the other backups. Sorry if you thought getting Trey was a mistake, but it's the move the team made. Deal with it.

Weird reply considering I have never said getting Trey was a mistake. I'm pretty sure you're reading something in to that.
My point is that the situation is what it is. It would've been good if the QB we have playing could've done that, but he didn't and so here we are. I don't have to deal with anything. Go take that energy somewhere else, smdh.

You said we needed him to have an offseason, even though we had clearly moved on from him.

Again, you'll have to explain where that means I don't want Trey? You may see this as you have to either like Trey or like Jimmy and you can't do both. But I don't.
I'm saying Jimmy needed an off-season because, well, QB's generally do better when they have an off-season.....didn't think that was some sort of shocking insight.

I know we weren't planning on having him. We weren't planning on Trey getting hurt. So, here we are. Whether we should've included Jimmy in TC is a different issue altogether. Saying that Jimmy needed an off-season to be well prepared as a starter this season is separate from that issue. It's stating a fact, not an opinion of what should or shouldn't have happened. It's stating what is.

Maybe I did, if so I apologize. You said we needed him to have an offseason with us, yet he wasn't in our plans. Why would he have an offseason with a team that had no intention of keeping him?

There's a difference between, "should have" and "needed"

Jonny, shouldn't Jimmys crap mechanics be concerning?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Jonny, shouldn't Jimmys crap mechanics be concerning?

Well, Kyle, Steve Young, Troy Aikman and Terry Bradshaw have all talked about how nice of a ball Jimmy throws. I'll defer to them on that since three of those guys have 8 SB's and 3 HOF jackets between them. Their words, not mine.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If Jimmy needs to learn the playbook again every offseason, after being in the system for 6 years, how long is he actually capable of retaining information for? Is he working with the memory of a goldfish?

I guess Aaron Rodgers is a fool for going through OTA's, mini camps and TC every year. This whole time, I thought it was beneficial for quarterbacks to get practice time in the off-season. Silly me.

It's more beneficial to maintain timing and chemistry with his receivers, which Jimmy never had an interest in to begin with. Unless they are installing a new offense every year, how does a QB not remember plays from the previous years?

Alright, well this is going down a rabbit hole. If you have comments or questions about the coaches film - cool. If not, don't expect a response from me.

Sorry Jonny, don't mean to attack you. I love and respect your film breakdowns, and am aware you have a ton more knowledge than me. But I have seen QBs holdout through training camps and preseason, and pick right up where they left off the previous season. I don't think Jimmy missing out on those practices is what led to his abysmal performance the other night. I think it simply amplified problems he already had.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, Kyle, Steve Young, Troy Aikman and Terry Bradshaw have all talked about how nice of a ball Jimmy throws. I'll defer to them on that since three of those guys have 8 SB's and 3 HOF jackets between them. Their words, not mine.

So it doesn't concern you that he threw across his body flat footed with his shoulder nowhere near the target because HOF qbs think he throws a nice ball?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, Kyle, Steve Young, Troy Aikman and Terry Bradshaw have all talked about how nice of a ball Jimmy throws. I'll defer to them on that since three of those guys have 8 SB's and 3 HOF jackets between them. Their words, not mine.

So it doesn't concern you that he threw across his body flat footed with his shoulder nowhere near the target because HOF qbs think he throws a nice ball?

Well, it doesn't seem like you're talking about an isolated play. You're saying, "his crap mechanics". I'm not a mechanics expert. I know how to fix a car, but that's a different story. I defer to guys who did it at a HOF level. JTO has also talked many times about how he thinks Jimmy has some of the best mechanics in the game. Aaron Rodgers has plays with horrible mechanics but great outcomes.
What concerns me more with Jimmy is that he can't be trusted not to make a bad play worse. He's so aggressive in making a play that he tries to jam the ball in when there's no play. We've seen it a lot from him. Somewhere there's a dissonance between him not being willing to punt a play and Kyle trusting him.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If Jimmy needs to learn the playbook again every offseason, after being in the system for 6 years, how long is he actually capable of retaining information for? Is he working with the memory of a goldfish?

I guess Aaron Rodgers is a fool for going through OTA's, mini camps and TC every year. This whole time, I thought it was beneficial for quarterbacks to get practice time in the off-season. Silly me.

It's more beneficial to maintain timing and chemistry with his receivers, which Jimmy never had an interest in to begin with. Unless they are installing a new offense every year, how does a QB not remember plays from the previous years?

Alright, well this is going down a rabbit hole. If you have comments or questions about the coaches film - cool. If not, don't expect a response from me.

Sorry Jonny, don't mean to attack you. I love and respect your film breakdowns, and am aware you have a ton more knowledge than me. But I have seen QBs holdout through training camps and preseason, and pick right up where they left off the previous season. I don't think Jimmy missing out on those practices is what led to his abysmal performance the other night. I think it simply amplified problems he already had.

Sure, but those QB's weren't also coming off of shoulder surgery. I'd like to not make this thread in to another Jimmy G thread. There's just so much of that going around.

I think throwing a "nice ball" and not being fundamentally sound are clearly 2 separate discussions that are forcefully being mixed together. Just different subjects.

When you're lesser of a player and not Rodgers or Mahomes, your mechanics become more important.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If Jimmy needs to learn the playbook again every offseason, after being in the system for 6 years, how long is he actually capable of retaining information for? Is he working with the memory of a goldfish?

I guess Aaron Rodgers is a fool for going through OTA's, mini camps and TC every year. This whole time, I thought it was beneficial for quarterbacks to get practice time in the off-season. Silly me.

It's more beneficial to maintain timing and chemistry with his receivers, which Jimmy never had an interest in to begin with. Unless they are installing a new offense every year, how does a QB not remember plays from the previous years?

Alright, well this is going down a rabbit hole. If you have comments or questions about the coaches film - cool. If not, don't expect a response from me.

Sorry Jonny, don't mean to attack you. I love and respect your film breakdowns, and am aware you have a ton more knowledge than me. But I have seen QBs holdout through training camps and preseason, and pick right up where they left off the previous season. I don't think Jimmy missing out on those practices is what led to his abysmal performance the other night. I think it simply amplified problems he already had.

Sure, but those QB's weren't also coming off of shoulder surgery. I'd like to not make this thread in to another Jimmy G thread. There's just so much of that going around.

Fair enough. What are your thoughts on him throwing into tight coverage, not seeing the open receivers? Do you think he is too locked onto the primary, and not going through progressions? What would be the reason for that, and how can it be corrected?

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, it doesn't seem like you're talking about an isolated play. You're saying, "his crap mechanics". I'm not a mechanics expert. I know how to fix a car, but that's a different story. I defer to guys who did it at a HOF level. JTO has also talked many times about how he thinks Jimmy has some of the best mechanics in the game. Aaron Rodgers has plays with horrible mechanics but great outcomes.
What concerns me more with Jimmy is that he can't be trusted not to make a bad play worse. He's so aggressive in making a play that he tries to jam the ball in when there's no play. We've seen it a lot from him. Somewhere there's a dissonance between him not being willing to punt a play and Kyle trusting him.

Those two 3rd down plays are crap mechanics. The miss to Deebo and the pick. If he's right with the first throw he probably hits it. It's why both throws are so inaccurate.

When he's right they are very good which is why I'm concerned about him getting lazy with them at the most important part of game.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If Jimmy needs to learn the playbook again every offseason, after being in the system for 6 years, how long is he actually capable of retaining information for? Is he working with the memory of a goldfish?

I guess Aaron Rodgers is a fool for going through OTA's, mini camps and TC every year. This whole time, I thought it was beneficial for quarterbacks to get practice time in the off-season. Silly me.

It's more beneficial to maintain timing and chemistry with his receivers, which Jimmy never had an interest in to begin with. Unless they are installing a new offense every year, how does a QB not remember plays from the previous years?

Alright, well this is going down a rabbit hole. If you have comments or questions about the coaches film - cool. If not, don't expect a response from me.

Sorry Jonny, don't mean to attack you. I love and respect your film breakdowns, and am aware you have a ton more knowledge than me. But I have seen QBs holdout through training camps and preseason, and pick right up where they left off the previous season. I don't think Jimmy missing out on those practices is what led to his abysmal performance the other night. I think it simply amplified problems he already had.

Sure, but those QB's weren't also coming off of shoulder surgery. I'd like to not make this thread in to another Jimmy G thread. There's just so much of that going around.

Fair enough. What are your thoughts on him throwing into tight coverage, not seeing the open receivers? Do you think he is too locked onto the primary, and not going through progressions?

Depends on the play. One play it'll be locked on to the primary and trying to execute the play knowing the pre-determined aim of the play - like the DIG to Aiyuk, as an example. Another play it's him trying to make something out of nothing and believing he can make the throw into the tightest of windows.

I think it was his lack of availability and their lack of trust that he wouldn't make a bad play worse that made them want to go get Trey. If you're gonna live with someone who can make a bad play worse, go get someone who will add something to the run game too.

In his defense, we've also seen him make some incredibly tight window throws. Kyle has talked about this too. Last year in the divisional round he made what Kyle called, "the best throw I've ever seen a QB make" when he put the ball on Jennings on a hot play. GB had a guy come through untouched, Jimmy got the ball over an underneath guy on a post to Jennings, but with enough zip to still get it there before the safety and it was 1 foot in front of the numbers to Jennings, 18 yards down field. The window would be like throwing it though a small basketball goal 20 yards down field, while under pressure.
But Kyle then also said, "Jimmy is really aggressive on those and you can get away with them sometimes but eventually someone is gonna make you pay for making those really tight throws. Jimmy is so good he can make them a lot of times and people don't really notice how tight it was but then you do when it doesn't work out."

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, it doesn't seem like you're talking about an isolated play. You're saying, "his crap mechanics". I'm not a mechanics expert. I know how to fix a car, but that's a different story. I defer to guys who did it at a HOF level. JTO has also talked many times about how he thinks Jimmy has some of the best mechanics in the game. Aaron Rodgers has plays with horrible mechanics but great outcomes.
What concerns me more with Jimmy is that he can't be trusted not to make a bad play worse. He's so aggressive in making a play that he tries to jam the ball in when there's no play. We've seen it a lot from him. Somewhere there's a dissonance between him not being willing to punt a play and Kyle trusting him.

Those two 3rd down plays are crap mechanics. The miss to Deebo and the pick. If he's right with the first throw he probably hits it. It's why both throws are so inaccurate.

When he's right they are very good which is why I'm concerned about him getting lazy with them at the most important part of game.

If we're talking about the miss to Deebo late in the game - there's nothing else he could've done though. I mean, he had an unblocked guy coming right at him. There's maybe 2 or 3 QB's that even get that pass off.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If Jimmy needs to learn the playbook again every offseason, after being in the system for 6 years, how long is he actually capable of retaining information for? Is he working with the memory of a goldfish?

I guess Aaron Rodgers is a fool for going through OTA's, mini camps and TC every year. This whole time, I thought it was beneficial for quarterbacks to get practice time in the off-season. Silly me.

It's more beneficial to maintain timing and chemistry with his receivers, which Jimmy never had an interest in to begin with. Unless they are installing a new offense every year, how does a QB not remember plays from the previous years?

Alright, well this is going down a rabbit hole. If you have comments or questions about the coaches film - cool. If not, don't expect a response from me.

Sorry Jonny, don't mean to attack you. I love and respect your film breakdowns, and am aware you have a ton more knowledge than me. But I have seen QBs holdout through training camps and preseason, and pick right up where they left off the previous season. I don't think Jimmy missing out on those practices is what led to his abysmal performance the other night. I think it simply amplified problems he already had.

Sure, but those QB's weren't also coming off of shoulder surgery. I'd like to not make this thread in to another Jimmy G thread. There's just so much of that going around.

Fair enough. What are your thoughts on him throwing into tight coverage, not seeing the open receivers? Do you think he is too locked onto the primary, and not going through progressions?

Depends on the play. One play it'll be locked on to the primary and trying to execute the play knowing the pre-determined aim of the play - like the DIG to Aiyuk, as an example. Another play it's him trying to make something out of nothing and believing he can make the throw into the tightest of windows.

I think it was his lack of availability and their lack of trust that he wouldn't make a bad play worse that made them want to go get Trey. If you're gonna live with someone who can make a bad play worse, go get someone who will add something to the run game too.

In his defense, we've also seen him make some incredibly tight window throws. Kyle has talked about this too. Last year in the divisional round he made what Kyle called, "the best throw I've ever seen a QB make" when he put the ball on Jennings on a hot play. GB had a guy come through untouched, Jimmy got the ball over an underneath guy on a post to Jennings, but with enough zip to still get it there before the safety and it was 1 foot in front of the numbers to Jennings, 18 yards down field. The window would be like throwing it though a small basketball goal 20 yards down field, while under pressure.
But Kyle then also said, "Jimmy is really aggressive on those and you can get away with them sometimes but eventually someone is gonna make you pay for making those really tight throws. Jimmy is so good he can make them a lot of times and people don't really notice how tight it was but then you do when it doesn't work out."

I agree. Collinsworth commented on one on one of the last drives that he thought should have been a pick 6, but turned out to be perfectly placed. This is my frustration with Jimmy, knowing he's capable of doing these things, but not seeing it on anything resembling a consistent basis. Anyways, thank you, as always for your knowledge.