Week 3 @ Denver Broncos Coaches Film analysis thread

Originally posted by jonnydel:
If we're talking about the miss to Deebo late in the game - there's nothing else he could've done though. I mean, he had an unblocked guy coming right at him. There's maybe 2 or 3 QB's that even get that pass off.

Seems like he could be in better throwing position and not wide open throwing across his body with all arm no?

He does the same thing on the interception.

Very concerning that if he gets rushed he's just gonna wing it all arm down the middle of the field.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If Jimmy needs to learn the playbook again every offseason, after being in the system for 6 years, how long is he actually capable of retaining information for? Is he working with the memory of a goldfish?

I guess Aaron Rodgers is a fool for going through OTA's, mini camps and TC every year. This whole time, I thought it was beneficial for quarterbacks to get practice time in the off-season. Silly me.

Yeah. They had jimmy on a whole different practice area by himself like a pariah and didn't even give him a playbook.

Now people expect him to walk on water and come in and tear it up.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
O line was trash.

But top to bottom the whole team sucked. These guys needed to play in preseason.

Needed pre-season, Needed the QB who's playing now to have any kind of off-season, need time to gel with the last minute pivot. Jimmy needs to not make bad plays worse. There's lack of trust there between he and Kyle.

Jimmy needs to shut up and step up for once

Solid analysis

Sometimes it's just that easy. It's time to stop making excuses

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Yeah. They had jimmy on a whole different practice area by himself like a pariah and didn't even give him a playbook.

Now people expect him to walk on water and come in and tear it up.

Exactly what everyone was predicting all last week. 9ers were better and all.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If Jimmy needs to learn the playbook again every offseason, after being in the system for 6 years, how long is he actually capable of retaining information for? Is he working with the memory of a goldfish?

I guess Aaron Rodgers is a fool for going through OTA's, mini camps and TC every year. This whole time, I thought it was beneficial for quarterbacks to get practice time in the off-season. Silly me.

Yeah. They had jimmy on a whole different practice area by himself like a pariah and didn't even give him a playbook.

Now people expect him to walk on water and come in and tear it up.

I wouldn't call what he did last season walking on water, at all. I don't think asking that is too much. He knows the offense, he knows the receivers, he knows the coach. If not playing in the system for a few months is enough to make him go full potato, then it says a helluva lot about him.

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An elite offense in today's NFL needs to get explosives when it's just a "basic" play. Kyle has to scheme explosives because Jimmy creates these at a very low percentage. The last one I remember was Jimmy deep post to Deebo vs CHI last season. What I mean is on typical route plays, hit that deep throw. No QB hits them all, but a good QB needs to hit one or two over the course of a game and Jimmy wasn't able to. A defense that plays man-match can get confused and the 49ers had them confused on a couple plays - once Deebo ran wide open (Kittle and Deebo criss cross in trips bunch), once Aiyuk (safety on trips side rotated down; was a pass to Kittle deflected at line).

This is another (@16:12, slot fade with Aiyuk versus LB in man; just try it put it at the red star). Jimmy's best throw was wasted with the Jennings bobble.

Jimmy isn't the type of QB to flip a switch and it's game on. His lack of camp means he can't rely on timing, and coming back from an injury makes things worse. This was bottom of the sea level Jimmy so he should play better as he gets more time as starter in practice. I don't know why he treats so many passes as fadeaway jump shots. I'm not a QB guru either, but his lower body mechanics are bad, and he doesn't have the arm to make off platform throws past 15 yards. He needs to drive through when he's given the time and room to. But this is who he is at this point.

Shame that the offense clouds the defensive effort. All the chip blocking that the opposing offense is doing makes playing zone easier for the seven in coverage. DEN got some very fortunate bounces - two fumbles that bounced back to them, and a tipped ball high in the air that fell incomplete. Turnovers are luck but the chance for turnovers takes defensive skill. They come in bunches.
Thanks for the video. I don't always listen to in-video promos, but when there's a sack joke, I'm glad I did.

I have no doubt that the 49ers spent a lot of time practicing the Trey Lance run game this offseason - that stuff was new to the team. That was all a waste of time. This run game needs to shift gears and the OL needs to come together quickly.
If the run game is struggling, I say spread it out and let Jimmy throw it. These condensed formations with two RBs in the backfield do not help a QB that prefers to throw it quick. Going spread will get the offense away from the run/pass neutral formations, but it should help Jimmy get the ball into the YAC Bros hands, and that might be worth considering within the flow of the game, maybe as a plan B. Hard playaction on seven step timing to attack behind the LBs, with Trent now out of the lineup, could lead to bad things in the upcoming weeks.

Agreed with everything that THL said above.

I also think Jimmy's frustrating because he can fit passes into small windows but recently when there's a go route or some sort of delay- go, or a wheel route… we almost always see Jimmy miss badly. That's one of the reasons I've been ready to move off from Jimmy. I don't think the speed of our x receiver is the reason we don't hit those which was a reason I heard someone use. Its not like I think Aiyuk is a top 32 deep threat or anything but IMO he's not the reason Jimmy misses those. It's Jimmy.

I'm also not sure it's fair to say "Brendal caused the fumble". The center and QB are both responsible for the exchange. Jimmy appeared to pull away before the ball was snapped and I agree Brendal clearly snapped the ball on the wrong cadence. I know Kyle will always blame the center over a QB, as he would do the same thing for Trey, but I wouldn't say Jimmy had no affect on that fumble.

To me, Jimmy's never been the same after the ACL injury. He used to be able to trust his feet more to get in position to complete more passes. His quick release is his best weapon. But it does no good if he's locking onto receivers and not trusting his movement skills. I always think of his touchdown pass vs the Jaguars in 2017 to Trent Taylor. That was the Jimmy I loved. Hopefully we see that again soon.

I will never say any game is all the QBs fault. Because it's not and we understand the young interior line is causing issues for the offense. But this game was as close as it gets, even more so than the colts game last year. It's like his field vision has gotten worse and worse.

Also, Kyle has been awful calling plays in moments this year and running our ball carriers into the ground. 1 carry for Mason is a joke. I know we only converted one 3rd down or something like that, but he has to stop being so repetitive in who he gives the ball to. Because soon we'll lose another player like we did Trey, and it will be partly due to the sheer volume of rushes in a short amount of time.

where is the unbiased film analysis

I must have read atleast a half dozen times last year that on a 3x1 set that the primary read is on the 3 wr side. And that is why we never threw to Aiyuk on plays where he would clearly beat his man. That is exactly where Jimmy looked on his drop, to the 3 wr side. You can say he was looking off the middle safety but I don't know. Jimmy was looking hard right and Deebo was open before Jimmy even turned and look at Aiyuk's side. Now cherry picking one play where Aiyuk didn't beat his man is just a bad take imo. Especially since there were 2 defenders in front of him on his release. Also, the Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill's of the league do not beat their man 100% of the time.

As far as this chemistry talk and Jimmy not having an off season. We have seen this same poor QB play since 2020. Jimmy may have a wow play here and there but his wow plays have never outweighed his wtf plays. Everything else in between is just mediocre.

Defenses have figured out how to stop the OZ runs and the Deebo wideback experiment is looking less and less affective each week. If Jimmy doesn't revert back to his 2019 form, this season will be lost. But than again, would Jimmy have been just as good in 2019 if we didn't have a dominant running game?

So how long we thinking a seasoned vet needs to get ready to play on the same team as last 5 years? Asking for our season.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
It's not the game we wanted. It's not the game we deserved, but it's the game we got

Can't break down anything other than what happened.

This and the fallout afterward has really reminded me of last years Colts game. Everyone wanted everyone gone after that game and we were 3-5 and the season seemed lost.

There's a lot not going right. It's easy to grab the low hanging fruit of Garoppolo's play, but it goes beyond that. He played bad, Kyle had some bad calls, other guys had bad plays. We stacked bad on bad all night long.

Thanks for the breakdown, Jonny. It seems that, like the 3-5 start last season, nothing is going right on offense due to poor execution and some bad calls. The problem is, unlike last season, there really isn't much of an easy portion of the schedule to make a run after it gets figured out. Hopefully we keep getting lights out defensive performances until the offense puts it all together.

On the fumbled snap, I wonder if there was some kind of miscommunication. You only see one lineman move before Brendel snaps the ball. I'd think if everyone knew they were going on one, more than one guy would have gone on one.

On the 3rd and 8 play to Deebo to beat a blitz that didn't happen, is that something that Jimmy should recognize and kill/change the play? Jimmy should understand the reason for that play call and recognize there is no blitz coming from where the ball is going and change something at the line, no? Maybe even call a timeout?

Hopefully Jimmy cleans up his poor execution quickly. Of course the blame isn't entirely on him, but a lot of the errors made by others can be masked by him making the plays/throws he should.

As far as the Deebo runs/OZ being 'figured out,' that seems like an overreaction (not that you have said this, but I see others). From what I saw re-watching the run plays, the opportunities are there, the blocking is just bad a lot of the time. It also doesn't help that our stud RB is once again hurt.