Week 3 @ Denver Broncos Coaches Film analysis thread

Originally posted by jonnydel:
It's not the game we wanted. It's not the game we deserved, but it's the game we got

Can't break down anything other than what happened.

This and the fallout afterward has really reminded me of last years Colts game. Everyone wanted everyone gone after that game and we were 3-5 and the season seemed lost.

There's a lot not going right. It's easy to grab the low hanging fruit of Garoppolo's play, but it goes beyond that. He played bad, Kyle had some bad calls, other guys had bad plays. We stacked bad on bad all night long.

Your videos are the best. None of the bed wetting and belly aching that characterize so many of the posts in here. As Joe Friday use to say, "Just the facts, ma'am."
I hate losing to Russell Wilson. That guy has owned us since he came into the league. About the only silver lining is that it wasn't a division or conference game. We all knew the team wasn't going to go undefeated this year but you really hate losing games that are clearly winnable. Just makes it that much tougher moving ahead. But, on the other hand, it will now put the onus on them to win the games that they will need to win to prove they are legitimate contenders this year, which means the Rams will need to fall! Go Niners!

Originally posted by jonnydel:
There's a lot not going right. It's easy to grab the low hanging fruit of Garoppolo's play, but it goes beyond that. He played bad, Kyle had some bad calls, other guys had bad plays. We stacked bad on bad all night long.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
O line was trash.

But top to bottom the whole team sucked. These guys needed to play in preseason.

Wrong, the whole team was NOT trash. Defense played their asses off, just could not get a turnover. There were a few balls that hit the ground, but seemed every one bounced Denver's way, in the ones we dropped.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
I have no doubt that the 49ers spent a lot of time practicing the Trey Lance run game this offseason - that stuff was new to the team. That was all a waste of time. This run game needs to shift gears and the OL needs to come together quickly.
If the run game is struggling, I say spread it out and let Jimmy throw it. These condensed formations with two RBs in the backfield do not help a QB that prefers to throw it quick. Going spread will get the offense away from the run/pass neutral formations, but it should help Jimmy get the ball into the YAC Bros hands, and that might be worth considering within the flow of the game, maybe as a plan B. Hard playaction on seven step timing to attack behind the LBs, with Trent now out of the lineup, could lead to bad things in the upcoming weeks.

Totally agree with this. I would love a higher neutral pass rate as well.

AFC West dominating neutral pass rate.

Lamar is a cheat code with Ravens at 4.

Sadly, the Bucs are a run-heavy team?? pic.twitter.com/DnURgWEdgC

— Hayden Winks (@HaydenWinks) September 19, 2022

And if the 49ers decide to spread it out formationally, that doesn't necessarily mean take Juice off the field. Juice just made a tip toe back shoulder catch, he's skilled and should stay on the field to contribute as a pass catcher. Stay in 21 personnel so that the defense is forced to stay in their base, then spread it out. Kyle likes two backs in the backfield because it gives the defense a threat of run, but something needs to change because the 49ers can no longer just line up and run it down the defense's throat. They are missing three key components that were to be counted on in the run game: Lance, Trent, and Eli Mitchell.

These young guards (Banks/Buford) look promising so far, but the cohesion it takes to execute Kyle's run scheme takes time to come together. Add in the fact that the Trey Lance run game is now scrapped, and it might make sense to simplify things and go with a ball control short passing game. It seems backwards to put more on Jimmy's plate, especially with how much he struggled vs DEN, but he's the proven veteran presence in this offense, not the young OLine that is missing Trent Williams. Do what it takes to get the ball into Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, and RayRay's hands.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
O line was trash.

But top to bottom the whole team sucked. These guys needed to play in preseason.

Needed pre-season, Needed the QB who's playing now to have any kind of off-season, need time to gel with the last minute pivot. Jimmy needs to not make bad plays worse. There's lack of trust there between he and Kyle.

Jimmy needs to shut up and step up for once

Solid analysis

jd, do you notice the 49er CBs playing man coverage more frequently when compared to last season? The defense still seems very zone dominant, but it could just be the specific weekly gameplan. I thought the signing of Charvarious Ward could mean some instances of blitzing backed with man, but I don't think I've seen it. The coverage calls seem identical to last season.

Originally posted by thl408:
I have no doubt that the 49ers spent a lot of time practicing the Trey Lance run game this offseason - that stuff was new to the team. That was all a waste of time. This run game needs to shift gears and the OL needs to come together quickly.
If the run game is struggling, I say spread it out and let Jimmy throw it. These condensed formations with two RBs in the backfield do not help a QB that prefers to throw it quick. Going spread will get the offense away from the run/pass neutral formations, but it should help Jimmy get the ball into the YAC Bros hands, and that might be worth considering within the flow of the game, maybe as a plan B. Hard playaction on seven step timing to attack behind the LBs, with Trent now out of the lineup, could lead to bad things in the upcoming weeks.

These are happy

Do it Kyle. You've got nothing to lose.

Originally posted by thl408:
jd, do you notice the 49er CBs playing man coverage more frequently when compared to last season? The defense still seems very zone dominant, but it could just be the specific weekly gameplan. I thought the signing of Charvarious Ward could mean some instances of blitzing backed with man, but I don't think I've seen it. The coverage calls seem identical to last season.

Good question. Seemed like a ton of zone versus the Broncos. Seemed like the pass where Sutton got a nice gain he beat Ward in man

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
O line was trash.

But top to bottom the whole team sucked. These guys needed to play in preseason.

Needed pre-season, Needed the QB who's playing now to have any kind of off-season, need time to gel with the last minute pivot. Jimmy needs to not make bad plays worse. There's lack of trust there between he and Kyle.

Jimmy needs to shut up and step up for once

Solid analysis

it's getting to Alex smith level

There were three consecutive plays in the 1Q (second offense drive) where the 49ers spread the field. When I say "spread" I mean there is one WR lined up outside the numbers to each side of the field, because this forces the defense to also spread out their CBs. What happens with the formation inside of those two WRs, I don't care.

The first play was a completed pass to Deebo for a nice 10+ gain. The second play was Wilson's 37 yard run. The third play was an 8 yard completion to Kittle on a slant from the slot. The drive ended with a touchdown. After that, the next spread formation play was the deep shot to Aiyuk down the sideline, which occurred two drives after the touchdown drive.

Originally posted by thl408:
There were three consecutive plays in the 1Q (second offense drive) where the 49ers spread the field. When I say "spread" I mean there is one WR lined up outside the numbers to each side of the field, because this forces the defense to also spread out their CBs. What happens with the formation inside of those two WRs, I don't care.

The first play was a completed pass to Deebo for a nice 10+ gain. The second play was Wilson's 37 yard run. The third play was an 8 yard completion to Kittle on a slant from the slot. The drive ended with a touchdown. After that, the next spread formation play was the deep shot to Aiyuk down the sideline, which occurred two drives after the touchdown drive.

Yeah, I kept getting irritated with all the condensed sets. That's why you're seeing so many shallow safeties. I was just talking with our old pal niners818 and he had shared something someone said on twitter about how we gotta back the safeties up. "they're begging us to throw". I said, "I don't think he's watching any other games."

I immediately jumped on gamepass and pulled up the coaches film from the Bills/phins, It took me a total of 8 plays to find 4 instances where MIA had 10 guys within 8 yards of the LOS.

I went to the Bucs/Pack game. TB plays a ton of single high but again, took me 6 plays in to TB's offense to see 3 examples of no safety deeper than 12 yards off the LOS.

Went to the CHI/GB game, found 2 examples in the first 8 plays I watched.

Went to the ARI/LA game and the first play of the game LA had 9 guys in the box.

Are we going to say that these teams are daring: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray to throw deep? The common denominator? condensed formations.
They invite the defense into a tighter box which is what the offense will use to attack the edges in the run game as you pull everyone inside to then seal them off and create lots of space outside.

But, if you're trying to operate a quick passing game off of that, it gets pretty muddy.

BUF did it by exploiting MIA in man-cov with lots of shallow crossing routes but still struggled getting rhythm through the game and only scored 16 points.
TB didn't counter it well and only scored 12 points.
GB countered it by transitioning to more spread.
ARI couldn't handle it and only scored 12 points.

Originally posted by thl408:
jd, do you notice the 49er CBs playing man coverage more frequently when compared to last season? The defense still seems very zone dominant, but it could just be the specific weekly gameplan. I thought the signing of Charvarious Ward could mean some instances of blitzing backed with man, but I don't think I've seen it. The coverage calls seem identical to last season.

What I've noticed is more Fangio like palms coverage. Which transitions to man past 8 yards deep. This is what is allowing the safeties to play so aggressively over the middle - think of the big pass break-up by Mooney Ward vs Jeudy. Ward picked him up in man-cov on that deep post beautifully. We're probably playing a tad more man-cov than last year, with the exception of the first GB game, but we used to play a lot more straight C4, now it's matching 4's because we trust the corners.

Originally posted by thl408:
An elite offense in today's NFL needs to get explosives when it's just a "basic" play. Kyle has to scheme explosives because Jimmy creates these at a very low percentage. The last one I remember was Jimmy deep post to Deebo vs CHI last season. What I mean is on typical route plays, hit that deep throw. No QB hits them all, but a good QB needs to hit one or two over the course of a game and Jimmy wasn't able to. A defense that plays man-match can get confused and the 49ers had them confused on a couple plays - once Deebo ran wide open (Kittle and Deebo criss cross in trips bunch), once Aiyuk (safety on trips side rotated down; was a pass to Kittle deflected at line).

This is another (@16:12, slot fade with Aiyuk versus LB in man; just try it put it at the red star). Jimmy's best throw was wasted with the Jennings bobble.

Jimmy isn't the type of QB to flip a switch and it's game on. His lack of camp means he can't rely on timing, and coming back from an injury makes things worse. This was bottom of the sea level Jimmy so he should play better as he gets more time as starter in practice. I don't know why he treats so many passes as fadeaway jump shots. I'm not a QB guru either, but his lower body mechanics are bad, and he doesn't have the arm to make off platform throws past 15 yards. He needs to drive through when he's given the time and room to. But this is who he is at this point.

Shame that the offense clouds the defensive effort. All the chip blocking that the opposing offense is doing makes playing zone easier for the seven in coverage. DEN got some very fortunate bounces - two fumbles that bounced back to them, and a tipped ball high in the air that fell incomplete. Turnovers are luck but the chance for turnovers takes defensive skill. They come in bunches.
Thanks for the video. I don't always listen to in-video promos, but when there's a sack joke, I'm glad I did.

very well put regarding the fadeaway jump shots. his bad habit sticks with him even when he has room to step up and properly drive with his feet. Like, come on dude. recognize when you can and cannot step up. your arm is not Josh Allen's.

Extremely tough to watch how many plays we missed out there. On to next week

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
where is the unbiased film analysis

Me too, I'm waiting on you to start your own channel, "The unbiased 49ers Film channel to rule them all".

Debut episode this Friday?