CMC, Elite RB who will start!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If teams didn't respect our running game they wouldn't be stacking the box at a higher rate then just about every team in football…for years

which would create not so favorable run block PFF stats

We need jimmy to cook and not check down so much

Yeah it's a lot of things. Just looking at Jonny's film from ATL you can see some whiffs on that IOL

so many guys the OL have to account for.. can't stop everyone all the time.. Would be nice to show run then line up to spread the Defense and get those mismatches

run blocking suppose to be the easiest to execute compared to PP.. but for some reason the strength of our team has flipped ..

if the IOL is terrible, they should be worse at PP

You'd think but Kyle actually changed it up and got college players better at PP this time. Brendel too.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If teams didn't respect our running game they wouldn't be stacking the box at a higher rate then just about every team in football…for years

which would create not so favorable run block PFF stats

We need jimmy to cook and not check down so much

Yeah it's a lot of things. Just looking at Jonny's film from ATL you can see some whiffs on that IOL

so many guys the OL have to account for.. can't stop everyone all the time.. Would be nice to show run then line up to spread the Defense and get those mismatches

run blocking suppose to be the easiest to execute compared to PP.. but for some reason the strength of our team has flipped ..

if the IOL is terrible, they should be worse at PP

The difference is the many angles Shanahan's running game seeks to create. Looking at some of the work Jonnydel has done gets your head spinning as you watch all the lateral movement of the OL. At least in PP an individual lineman only has a relatively small area to patrol. In the run game, it is common to see an OT pull all the way down the line to cut off backside pursuit. The timing of all that takes many snaps to reach efficiency.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
so many guys the OL have to account for.. can't stop everyone all the time.. Would be nice to show run then line up to spread the Defense and get those mismatches

run blocking suppose to be the easiest to execute compared to PP.. but for some reason the strength of our team has flipped ..

if the IOL is terrible, they should be worse at PP

It's not even having too many people to block. It's whiffing on their initial block. Or not getting to the second level quick enough. you can be a good run blocking and not good at pass blocking…just ask McG.

I wouldn't saying run blocking is easier either. We got a bunch of moving parts and new faces (plus a s**tty center) gonna take a little time.

Originally posted by dj43:
The difference is the many angles Shanahan's running game seeks to create. Looking at some of the work Jonnydel has done gets your head spinning as you watch all the lateral movement of the OL. At least in PP an individual lineman only has a relatively small area to patrol. In the run game, it is common to see an OT pull all the way down the line to cut off backside pursuit. The timing of all that takes many snaps to reach efficiency.

Agreed

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Aside from OLine issues, this offense would benefit from a supertar running back like D. Henry, N Chubb, etc. Shanahan's offense is predicated toward the run game yet in 6 drafts we have not been able to draft top tier running back, but we have been able to make decent use of udfa or low round picks. We failed so far in higher round running back picks..

Yes Mitchell is a good back. Is he elite? I'm not sure.

But think what this offense can do with that type of back.

That's what I'm sayin

And with an All-Pro back possibly available with the vision and lateral ability of CMC the dude would just feast.

Lets trade the Panthers Kinlaw, Lance, and next years 2nd for CMC and Burns.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:
Despite their relative lack of experience, our IOL is relatively decent in PP. It is their RBLK that fails, not the PP.

Of 37 centers rated, Brendel is #21 in PP and #30 in RBLK.
Of 75 guards rated, Banks is #23 in PP and #53 in RBLK.
Burford is #30 in PP, #64 in RBLK

Ugh yea that's rough….hopefully they will improve as the season goes along or we can find an upgrade or 2 here

I expect Banks to improve a fair bit based on his college DNA. Burford may be slower. Brendel is who he is. I don't expect a lot more from him.

All of this brings me back to whether or not we can afford to bring in a top-tier RB given the limitations of our IOL. The operative word is cost.

For sure

Whats your thoughts on realistic compensation for a dude like McCaffrey? Saw a beat writer give a 2nd, 5th and TDP…..that seems a little rich for my blood

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:
Despite their relative lack of experience, our IOL is relatively decent in PP. It is their RBLK that fails, not the PP.

Of 37 centers rated, Brendel is #21 in PP and #30 in RBLK.
Of 75 guards rated, Banks is #23 in PP and #53 in RBLK.
Burford is #30 in PP, #64 in RBLK

Ugh yea that's rough….hopefully they will improve as the season goes along or we can find an upgrade or 2 here

I expect Banks to improve a fair bit based on his college DNA. Burford may be slower. Brendel is who he is. I don't expect a lot more from him.

All of this brings me back to whether or not we can afford to bring in a top-tier RB given the limitations of our IOL. The operative word is cost.

For sure

Whats your thoughts on realistic compensation for a dude like McCaffrey? Saw a beat writer give a 2nd, 5th and TDP…..that seems a little rich for my blood

The situation with CMC is unique. There is no comp deal that I recall that would suggest his price. I suggested earlier that I thought the discussion would begin with a 3rd and a 5th and proceed from there. If I were Carolina I would demand a quality young replacement for CMC be included. TDP fits the description. Now we move on to picks. Carolina would likely want two picks rather than one. Hence, something in the range of what that writer suggested would not surprise me. If we could make that deal for a 3rd plus another pick I would smile.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:
Despite their relative lack of experience, our IOL is relatively decent in PP. It is their RBLK that fails, not the PP.

Of 37 centers rated, Brendel is #21 in PP and #30 in RBLK.
Of 75 guards rated, Banks is #23 in PP and #53 in RBLK.
Burford is #30 in PP, #64 in RBLK

Ugh yea that's rough….hopefully they will improve as the season goes along or we can find an upgrade or 2 here

I expect Banks to improve a fair bit based on his college DNA. Burford may be slower. Brendel is who he is. I don't expect a lot more from him.

All of this brings me back to whether or not we can afford to bring in a top-tier RB given the limitations of our IOL. The operative word is cost.

For sure

Whats your thoughts on realistic compensation for a dude like McCaffrey? Saw a beat writer give a 2nd, 5th and TDP…..that seems a little rich for my blood

The situation with CMC is unique. There is no comp deal that I recall that would suggest his price. I suggested earlier that I thought the discussion would begin with a 3rd and a 5th and proceed from there. If I were Carolina I would demand a quality young replacement for CMC be included. TDP fits the description. Now we move on to picks. Carolina would likely want two picks rather than one. Hence, something in the range of what that writer suggested would not surprise me. If we could make that deal for a 3rd plus another pick I would smile.

I think I'm right there with you

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:
Despite their relative lack of experience, our IOL is relatively decent in PP. It is their RBLK that fails, not the PP.

Of 37 centers rated, Brendel is #21 in PP and #30 in RBLK.
Of 75 guards rated, Banks is #23 in PP and #53 in RBLK.
Burford is #30 in PP, #64 in RBLK

Ugh yea that's rough….hopefully they will improve as the season goes along or we can find an upgrade or 2 here

I expect Banks to improve a fair bit based on his college DNA. Burford may be slower. Brendel is who he is. I don't expect a lot more from him.

All of this brings me back to whether or not we can afford to bring in a top-tier RB given the limitations of our IOL. The operative word is cost.

For sure

Whats your thoughts on realistic compensation for a dude like McCaffrey? Saw a beat writer give a 2nd, 5th and TDP…..that seems a little rich for my blood

The situation with CMC is unique. There is no comp deal that I recall that would suggest his price. I suggested earlier that I thought the discussion would begin with a 3rd and a 5th and proceed from there. If I were Carolina I would demand a quality young replacement for CMC be included. TDP fits the description. Now we move on to picks. Carolina would likely want two picks rather than one. Hence, something in the range of what that writer suggested would not surprise me. If we could make that deal for a 3rd plus another pick I would smile.

I think I'm right there with you

To be clear, I intended to mean we would give the Panthers TDP, a 3rd, and another pick.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:
Despite their relative lack of experience, our IOL is relatively decent in PP. It is their RBLK that fails, not the PP.

Of 37 centers rated, Brendel is #21 in PP and #30 in RBLK.
Of 75 guards rated, Banks is #23 in PP and #53 in RBLK.
Burford is #30 in PP, #64 in RBLK

Ugh yea that's rough….hopefully they will improve as the season goes along or we can find an upgrade or 2 here

I expect Banks to improve a fair bit based on his college DNA. Burford may be slower. Brendel is who he is. I don't expect a lot more from him.

All of this brings me back to whether or not we can afford to bring in a top-tier RB given the limitations of our IOL. The operative word is cost.

For sure

Whats your thoughts on realistic compensation for a dude like McCaffrey? Saw a beat writer give a 2nd, 5th and TDP…..that seems a little rich for my blood

The situation with CMC is unique. There is no comp deal that I recall that would suggest his price. I suggested earlier that I thought the discussion would begin with a 3rd and a 5th and proceed from there. If I were Carolina I would demand a quality young replacement for CMC be included. TDP fits the description. Now we move on to picks. Carolina would likely want two picks rather than one. Hence, something in the range of what that writer suggested would not surprise me. If we could make that deal for a 3rd plus another pick I would smile.

I think I'm right there with you

To be clear, I intended to mean we would give the Panthers TDP, a 3rd, and another pick.

Right, if the coaching staff is big on Mason to develop then that would seem appropriate.

CMC, Mitchell with the 1-2 punch. JWJ as a serviceable backup and Mason to develop. Let's go

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by dj43:
Despite their relative lack of experience, our IOL is relatively decent in PP. It is their RBLK that fails, not the PP.

Of 37 centers rated, Brendel is #21 in PP and #30 in RBLK.
Of 75 guards rated, Banks is #23 in PP and #53 in RBLK.
Burford is #30 in PP, #64 in RBLK

Ugh yea that's rough….hopefully they will improve as the season goes along or we can find an upgrade or 2 here

I expect Banks to improve a fair bit based on his college DNA. Burford may be slower. Brendel is who he is. I don't expect a lot more from him.

All of this brings me back to whether or not we can afford to bring in a top-tier RB given the limitations of our IOL. The operative word is cost.

For sure

Whats your thoughts on realistic compensation for a dude like McCaffrey? Saw a beat writer give a 2nd, 5th and TDP…..that seems a little rich for my blood

The situation with CMC is unique. There is no comp deal that I recall that would suggest his price. I suggested earlier that I thought the discussion would begin with a 3rd and a 5th and proceed from there. If I were Carolina I would demand a quality young replacement for CMC be included. TDP fits the description. Now we move on to picks. Carolina would likely want two picks rather than one. Hence, something in the range of what that writer suggested would not surprise me. If we could make that deal for a 3rd plus another pick I would smile.

I think I'm right there with you

To be clear, I intended to mean we would give the Panthers TDP, a 3rd, and another pick.

Right, if the coaching staff is big on Mason to develop then that would seem appropriate.

CMC, Mitchell with the 1-2 punch. JWJ as a serviceable backup and Mason to develop. Let's go

EASIER said than done.. don't forget how KS10 will use Lil Mac as a DECOY and get the ball to Deevah and let him run the OFF TACKLE TOSS..

Originally posted by dj43:
The situation with CMC is unique. There is no comp deal that I recall that would suggest his price. I suggested earlier that I thought the discussion would begin with a 3rd and a 5th and proceed from there. If I were Carolina I would demand a quality young replacement for CMC be included. TDP fits the description. Now we move on to picks. Carolina would likely want two picks rather than one. Hence, something in the range of what that writer suggested would not surprise me. If we could make that deal for a 3rd plus another pick I would smile.

It has been reported they want multiple 1sts. While I don't see that as likely, they have no reason to move him. He's a young talented player that any new HC would like on his roster. They're stuck with the cap hit regardless and after the GTD cash is gone he can be moved off from for nothing. He can also be traded in the off season.

Originally posted by Tman:
I think I'm right there with you

Why would NC ever do that? If that's all it would take the Bills/Rams would have already had him.

People are wild in here lol. According to ya'll CMC is an elite young dynamic player, who's under contract. Same people think NC is gonna give him away for a 3rd a couple unproven players and some other fluff?

Come on meow.