CMC, Elite RB who will start!

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by plummerfan:
People forget he put the ball on the ground twice!!!!

So we should get rid of him then?

it may be due to overuse. we need to spread it around and not break our new toy

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
In the case of this play it's more of a pre-snap thing. The Arizona game, the field position was a lot further away from the end zone, giving more space over the middle. In this recent game, he probably chose to go left pre-snap for the same reason he chose to try to throw to Kittle the first time we played the Rams: it seemed there'd be more room (I think it was the Rams-the play where Kittle caught the touchdown but stepped out). Based on the pre-snap look, you knew the Rams were probably blitzing, but you DIDN'T know if there was some disguise going on there, like maybe one of the linebackers would be watching Wilson. So he decided to take what seemed to be less of a risk, throwing to Kittle. The biggest mistake, obviously, came after the snap.

He was wrong in the Rams game too. Gotta see the field and know where your guys are going to be.

What does "wrong" mean here? What he saw presnap is that there was going to be lots of room in the back of the end zone, and he saw that Jalen Ramsey was guarding Aiyuk. In terms of presnap, that's not a bad read.

And as for this particular game, I told you--again--he had to consider the possibility that a linebacker would have occupied the middle or covered Wilson. If you decide you're not sure about that, or that Wilson may not beat his man, and as a consequence you choose left, you're choosing your PROGRESSION dude. You're not going to short circuit the progression unless you're just absurdly good, and he's not.

The reads in both cases are at worst a B. The execution in the first game was an A+, because it was a damn good throw. The execution in the second game was an F- - - - - - - - - - - - because there is only ONE thing you must do above all else in the red zone, and that's protect the ball.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
i think kyle liked the 2 back set with cmc and wilson, i suspect we'll see a lot more of that with mitchell coming back

That is what I was thinking. Keep Deebo out wide a majority of the time. Sometimes run jet motion with him coming through the backfield at the snap to keep defenses off balance.

Nah, one of Deebo or CMC on the slot, the other in the backfield then run RPO bubble screens all day. With Jimmy's quick release the RPO game and check down game is about to get nuts.

Blitz if you want to but you're just gonna get a top 5 YAC guy with the ball in space.

wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy's completion percentage leads the league from here on out.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
i think kyle liked the 2 back set with cmc and wilson, i suspect we'll see a lot more of that with mitchell coming back

That is what I was thinking. Keep Deebo out wide a majority of the time. Sometimes run jet motion with him coming through the backfield at the snap to keep defenses off balance.

Nah, one of Deebo or CMC on the slot, the other in the backfield then run RPO bubble screens all day. With Jimmy's quick release the RPO game and check down game is about to get nuts.

Blitz if you want to but you're just gonna get a top 5 YAC guy with the ball in space.

wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy's completion percentage leads the league from here on out.

Exactly! Keep it simple with Jimmy. When the LBs overcompensate for CMC or Deebo, hit an open Dwelley or Jennings for a big gain (Please no Woerner or Ray Ray, they will definitely drop it). Keep hitting Aiyuk on those quick slants where he jukes the defenders.

Originally posted by plummerfan:
People forget he put the ball on the ground twice!!!!

Only once since the other was an incomplete pass. Also when he fumbles, he makes sure it goes right to his teammate cause he's so good. Wilson on the other hand fumbles on a HB dive trying to get 1 yard and giving the other team 7 points or on the last drive when the game is on the line.

Originally posted by plummerfan:
People forget he put the ball on the ground twice!!!!

it was his first fumble all year, chill

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
i think kyle liked the 2 back set with cmc and wilson, i suspect we'll see a lot more of that with mitchell coming back

That is what I was thinking. Keep Deebo out wide a majority of the time. Sometimes run jet motion with him coming through the backfield at the snap to keep defenses off balance.

Nah, one of Deebo or CMC on the slot, the other in the backfield then run RPO bubble screens all day. With Jimmy's quick release the RPO game and check down game is about to get nuts.

Blitz if you want to but you're just gonna get a top 5 YAC guy with the ball in space.

wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy's completion percentage leads the league from here on out.

I wouldn't mind seeing CMC play some slot. I just think with what we have, we can run anything and everything with our core group of guys.

IMO, the real de facto RB depth chart is:

1) CMC
2) Mitchell
3) TDP
4) Coleman off the PS
5) Mason

Based on what we've seen this season. Might be why they felt OK trading Wilson because Coleman is solid depth with speed and pass catching ability, and bit better ball security -- just crappy vision half the time.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
IMO, the real de facto RB depth chart is:

1) CMC
2) Mitchell
3) TDP
4) Coleman off the PS
5) Mason

Based on what we've seen this season. Might be why they felt OK trading Wilson because Coleman is solid depth with speed and pass catching ability, and bit better ball security -- just crappy vision half the time.

Anyone look at Dameon Pierce and say.. damn..

I watched the HOU v SF preseason and was like that's it I am drafting Pierce in the ol FF.. he can do it all and is tough as nails. They designed the whole O around him already. He was otc.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
In the case of this play it's more of a pre-snap thing. The Arizona game, the field position was a lot further away from the end zone, giving more space over the middle. In this recent game, he probably chose to go left pre-snap for the same reason he chose to try to throw to Kittle the first time we played the Rams: it seemed there'd be more room (I think it was the Rams-the play where Kittle caught the touchdown but stepped out). Based on the pre-snap look, you knew the Rams were probably blitzing, but you DIDN'T know if there was some disguise going on there, like maybe one of the linebackers would be watching Wilson. So he decided to take what seemed to be less of a risk, throwing to Kittle. The biggest mistake, obviously, came after the snap.

He was wrong in the Rams game too. Gotta see the field and know where your guys are going to be.

What does "wrong" mean here? What he saw presnap is that there was going to be lots of room in the back of the end zone, and he saw that Jalen Ramsey was guarding Aiyuk. In terms of presnap, that's not a bad read.

And as for this particular game, I told you--again--he had to consider the possibility that a linebacker would have occupied the middle or covered Wilson. If you decide you're not sure about that, or that Wilson may not beat his man, and as a consequence you choose left, you're choosing your PROGRESSION dude. You're not going to short circuit the progression unless you're just absurdly good, and he's not.

The reads in both cases are at worst a B. The execution in the first game was an A+, because it was a damn good throw. The execution in the second game was an F- - - - - - - - - - - - because there is only ONE thing you must do above all else in the red zone, and that's protect the ball.

Nailed it.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What does "wrong" mean here? What he saw presnap is that there was going to be lots of room in the back of the end zone, and he saw that Jalen Ramsey was guarding Aiyuk. In terms of presnap, that's not a bad read.

And as for this particular game, I told you--again--he had to consider the possibility that a linebacker would have occupied the middle or covered Wilson. If you decide you're not sure about that, or that Wilson may not beat his man, and as a consequence you choose left, you're choosing your PROGRESSION dude. You're not going to short circuit the progression unless you're just absurdly good, and he's not.

The reads in both cases are at worst a B. The execution in the first game was an A+, because it was a damn good throw. The execution in the second game was an F- - - - - - - - - - - - because there is only ONE thing you must do above all else in the red zone, and that's protect the ball.

Then slide right knowing the blitz is coming and see. If Wilson is covered then you throw the ball away.

I posted a video of Nick freaking Mullens doing exactly that. You don't stick with a read with two guys coming unblocked in your face with a slanted line. Move away from the blitz and see what you have. You don't have the physical ability to make that throw.

Execution of the Kittle throw was great but he STILL threw into double coverage. Once he's doubled you should come off him and look elsewhere. Those are the gambling throws he should absolutely not be making. As you said protect the football. I don't want him making those kind of throws even if they succeed once in awhile. Leads to picks like against the Titans last year.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
i think kyle liked the 2 back set with cmc and wilson, i suspect we'll see a lot more of that with mitchell coming back

That is what I was thinking. Keep Deebo out wide a majority of the time. Sometimes run jet motion with him coming through the backfield at the snap to keep defenses off balance.

Nah, one of Deebo or CMC on the slot, the other in the backfield then run RPO bubble screens all day. With Jimmy's quick release the RPO game and check down game is about to get nuts.

Blitz if you want to but you're just gonna get a top 5 YAC guy with the ball in space.

wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy's completion percentage leads the league from here on out.

I wouldn't mind seeing CMC play some slot. I just think with what we have, we can run anything and everything with our core group of guys.

He did run out of the slot a couple times last game. No doubt he'll do more even with Jennings back. I can't wait to see a the combinations.

Poor CMC lol.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Poor CMC lol.

Lol it's like the Brady air high five

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