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Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by jcs:
I wonder how many more prime seasons he has left with Kyle running him into the ground.

Not even one. Guaranteed this poor guy goes down at some point next season. Kyle has Eli and Mason and refuses to use both. What an odd coach…

Yah it blows me away too. Eli will come in and rip off a 15 yarder then won't play again the rest of the game or so it seems.

I recognize CMC is the best, but his usage baffles me at times. I don't think he can survive another season with this utilization without an injury. Spell him more coach, please?
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by jcs:
I wonder how many more prime seasons he has left with Kyle running him into the ground.

Not even one. Guaranteed this poor guy goes down at some point next season. Kyle has Eli and Mason and refuses to use both. What an odd coach…

Yah it blows me away too. Eli will come in and rip off a 15 yarder then won't play again the rest of the game or so it seems.

I recognize CMC is the best, but his usage baffles me at times. I don't think he can survive another season with this utilization without an injury. Spell him more coach, please?

When you have that kind of talent at RB, you use him. Henry has been the guy in TN. Peterson in MN. Lynch with SEA, LT with the chargers, I won't even go into previous eras since it was more of a running league.

What are you saving CMC for? He's got a few years left and that's probably going to be it. It's not like if you give him fewer carriers he will play at a high level into his mid 30s.
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by jcs:
I wonder how many more prime seasons he has left with Kyle running him into the ground.

Not even one. Guaranteed this poor guy goes down at some point next season. Kyle has Eli and Mason and refuses to use both. What an odd coach…

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
When you have that kind of talent at RB, you use him. Henry has been the guy in TN. Peterson in MN. Lynch with SEA, LT with the chargers, I won't even go into previous eras since it was more of a running league.

What are you saving CMC for? He's got a few years left and that's probably going to be it. It's not like if you give him fewer carriers he will play at a high level into his mid 30s.

You use him, but you also do what is known as usage management. We see NBA and MLB do this quite a bit. Teams don't overtax their star pitcher in regular season with major innings. Or if you use him a ton to get a W one start, you give him a lighter start next time. It's all about giving the best odds of having those guys fresh come playoffs.

Being fresh in playoffs is a real thing. One thing in the GB vs SF playoff game, the broadcast talked about Aaron Jones missing time, and how it actually helped in a way. The absence hurt in the regular season, but he was healthy and fresh legs for postseason, and he had a great postseason.

Watching CMC in Carolina, he was the whole O. They would give him like 25-30 touches a game, and he would invariably break down. So that's the concern. There's a pretty high correlation between usage, as defined by touches or carries and RB availability. Last year we had 339 total touches. That's decent. In CAR, he had a year of 400+ and the next two years were disasters with injury. 400 is kind of a scary number you get that high and you are asking for trouble, looking at history.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
When you have that kind of talent at RB, you use him. Henry has been the guy in TN. Peterson in MN. Lynch with SEA, LT with the chargers, I won't even go into previous eras since it was more of a running league.

What are you saving CMC for? He's got a few years left and that's probably going to be it. It's not like if you give him fewer carriers he will play at a high level into his mid 30s.

You use him, but you also do what is known as usage management. We see NBA and MLB do this quite a bit. Teams don't overtax their star pitcher in regular season with major innings. Or if you use him a ton to get a W one start, you give him a lighter start next time. It's all about giving the best odds of having those guys fresh come playoffs.

Being fresh in playoffs is a real thing. One thing in the GB vs SF playoff game, the broadcast talked about Aaron Jones missing time, and how it actually helped in a way. The absence hurt in the regular season, but he was healthy and fresh legs for postseason, and he had a great postseason.

Watching CMC in Carolina, he was the whole O. They would give him like 25-30 touches a game, and he would invariably break down. So that's the concern. There's a pretty high correlation between usage, as defined by touches or carries and RB availability. Last year we had 339 total touches. That's decent. In CAR, he had a year of 400+ and the next two years were disasters with injury. 400 is kind of a scary number you get that high and you are asking for trouble, looking at history.

Ok, this is not the NBA or MLB, and he's not a pitcher lol. I've already given you several examples of teams that do / have done what we're doing and it was fine. You can add others to list as well like Gore, Alexander, Emmitt, and a much longer list pre 90s.

This isn't new what Kyle is doing. He has a special RB and he's gonna use him, can't blame him. I do wish he would use him less and maybe kept him a bit fresher though.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by jcs:
I wonder how many more prime seasons he has left with Kyle running him into the ground.

Not even one. Guaranteed this poor guy goes down at some point next season. Kyle has Eli and Mason and refuses to use both. What an odd coach…

Yah it blows me away too. Eli will come in and rip off a 15 yarder then won't play again the rest of the game or so it seems.

I recognize CMC is the best, but his usage baffles me at times. I don't think he can survive another season with this utilization without an injury. Spell him more coach, please?

When you have that kind of talent at RB, you use him. Henry has been the guy in TN. Peterson in MN. Lynch with SEA, LT with the chargers, I won't even go into previous eras since it was more of a running league.

What are you saving CMC for? He's got a few years left and that's probably going to be it. It's not like if you give him fewer carriers he will play at a high level into his mid 30s.

I want to use him. Thing is he has an injury history from what could have been systemic over utilization and I don't want history to repeat itself.

I would love CMC to win a chip and he is the most important person in our offense. I thonk that just by giving Eli maybe 5-8 touches a game could reduce then wear and tear on arguably the teams most valuable offensive assets.
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Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by jcs:
I wonder how many more prime seasons he has left with Kyle running him into the ground.

Not even one. Guaranteed this poor guy goes down at some point next season. Kyle has Eli and Mason and refuses to use both. What an odd coach…

Yah it blows me away too. Eli will come in and rip off a 15 yarder then won't play again the rest of the game or so it seems.

I recognize CMC is the best, but his usage baffles me at times. I don't think he can survive another season with this utilization without an injury. Spell him more coach, please?

When you have that kind of talent at RB, you use him. Henry has been the guy in TN. Peterson in MN. Lynch with SEA, LT with the chargers, I won't even go into previous eras since it was more of a running league.

What are you saving CMC for? He's got a few years left and that's probably going to be it. It's not like if you give him fewer carriers he will play at a high level into his mid 30s.

Because you have the talent to relieve him. CMC is a top notch player but he isn't backed up by scrubs. Mitchell was our starting RB when we played the Rams in the NFCC game. Mason has proven to be a bruiser. Give the guy a breather some…
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Yah it blows me away too. Eli will come in and rip off a 15 yarder then won't play again the rest of the game or so it seems.

I recognize CMC is the best, but his usage baffles me at times. I don't think he can survive another season with this utilization without an injury. Spell him more coach, please?

When you have a talent like CMC who is heads above the other backs on the roster you Dont take the ball out of his hands. The touches is not what will get him hurt it's the o line is not that good you stick him behind the Lions line who opens he's we're the backs are 5 yard down field before they get hit wouldn't care if he had 25 touches a game.
Not good enough.
Originally posted by Atrain:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Yah it blows me away too. Eli will come in and rip off a 15 yarder then won't play again the rest of the game or so it seems.

I recognize CMC is the best, but his usage baffles me at times. I don't think he can survive another season with this utilization without an injury. Spell him more coach, please?

When you have a talent like CMC who is heads above the other backs on the roster you Dont take the ball out of his hands. The touches is not what will get him hurt it's the o line is not that good you stick him behind the Lions line who opens he's we're the backs are 5 yard down field before they get hit wouldn't care if he had 25 touches a game.

I disagree a little. CMC is light years better than most backs in the NFL and he is arguably the best in his position.

That said Mitchell and Mason are more than competent in the run game but I think Kyle is stubborn and at times straight up dumb.

I watched all the games. I can see at times what looks like a visibly banged up CMC after a nice play but he doesn't spell him. CMC goes right back in. He's gonna grind him to the ground.

I'm all for CMC being the focal.point. He is the teams best offensive weapon. Even if CMC says put me back in coach, it takes a coach to be able to make tough decisions.

I'm a Dodger fan. From So. Cal but it reminds me of Robert's. I hate him as a manager. He wields a traveling all star team but can't win in the playoffs. He's great in the regular season but chokes in the playoffs.

Kershaw can be pitching Like dog crap and he won't pull him because Kershaw calls the shots on his deployment.

To win a championship you need more than great players. The Dodgers and Niners have that. What they don't have is the best of game managent when it matters most.
[ Edited by ninerfan818 on Feb 27, 2024 at 6:59 PM ]
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by jcs:
I wonder how many more prime seasons he has left with Kyle running him into the ground.

Not even one. Guaranteed this poor guy goes down at some point next season. Kyle has Eli and Mason and refuses to use both. What an odd coach…

Yah it blows me away too. Eli will come in and rip off a 15 yarder then won't play again the rest of the game or so it seems.

I recognize CMC is the best, but his usage baffles me at times. I don't think he can survive another season with this utilization without an injury. Spell him more coach, please?

Shanny is autistic in that regard. Mitchell and Mason are proven and wildly talented. Refuses both.
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by jcs:
I wonder how many more prime seasons he has left with Kyle running him into the ground.

Not even one. Guaranteed this poor guy goes down at some point next season. Kyle has Eli and Mason and refuses to use both. What an odd coach…

Yah it blows me away too. Eli will come in and rip off a 15 yarder then won't play again the rest of the game or so it seems.

I recognize CMC is the best, but his usage baffles me at times. I don't think he can survive another season with this utilization without an injury. Spell him more coach, please?

Shanny is autistic in that regard. Mitchell and Mason are proven and wildly talented. Refuses both.

Yeah he does not sub well at all.
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by jcs:
I wonder how many more prime seasons he has left with Kyle running him into the ground.

Not even one. Guaranteed this poor guy goes down at some point next season. Kyle has Eli and Mason and refuses to use both. What an odd coach…

Yah it blows me away too. Eli will come in and rip off a 15 yarder then won't play again the rest of the game or so it seems.

I recognize CMC is the best, but his usage baffles me at times. I don't think he can survive another season with this utilization without an injury. Spell him more coach, please?

Shanny is autistic in that regard. Mitchell and Mason are proven and wildly talented. Refuses both.

Yah it's annoying!
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by jcs:
I wonder how many more prime seasons he has left with Kyle running him into the ground.

Not even one. Guaranteed this poor guy goes down at some point next season. Kyle has Eli and Mason and refuses to use both. What an odd coach…

Yah it blows me away too. Eli will come in and rip off a 15 yarder then won't play again the rest of the game or so it seems.

I recognize CMC is the best, but his usage baffles me at times. I don't think he can survive another season with this utilization without an injury. Spell him more coach, please?

Shanny is autistic in that regard. Mitchell and Mason are proven and wildly talented. Refuses both.

Yah it's annoying!

I thought Kyle would produce a QB factory here where we could develop and sell off for high draft picks.

Instead, he developed a RB factory.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by jcs:
I wonder how many more prime seasons he has left with Kyle running him into the ground.

Not even one. Guaranteed this poor guy goes down at some point next season. Kyle has Eli and Mason and refuses to use both. What an odd coach…

Yah it blows me away too. Eli will come in and rip off a 15 yarder then won't play again the rest of the game or so it seems.

I recognize CMC is the best, but his usage baffles me at times. I don't think he can survive another season with this utilization without an injury. Spell him more coach, please?

Shanny is autistic in that regard. Mitchell and Mason are proven and wildly talented. Refuses both.

Yah it's annoying!

I thought Kyle would produce a QB factory here where we could develop and sell off for high draft picks.

Instead, he developed a RB factory.

I don't know about "sell off for high draft picks", but CJ Beathard, Mullens, Jimmy, all were acquired by other teams and all played last season for their teams. And now Brock looks good. Even Trey had a team that wanted to acquire him.
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