CMC, Elite RB who will start!

ut oh?

CMC would be smart to go for
his bag now, cause after Brock gets paid, guaranteed the high priced RB will be the first on the chopping block. Good for CMC.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
ut oh?

the way the NFL is now, teams aren't getting it correct at RB and TE, they are undervalued to WR, which is overvalued. In what world does Calvin Ridley making more than CMC make any sense, makes more than Kelce also. This is a major reason we just invested in WRs on cost controlled deals.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
CMC would be smart to go for
his bag now, cause after Brock gets paid, guaranteed the high priced RB will be the first on the chopping block. Good for CMC.

Problems with this, 1. the 49ers don't extend players with more than 1yr left on their deal, so I don't see CMC having any leverage on a new deal, this might be like the Frank Gore situation, he held out, but ultimately got something like a new deal, but that was under Balk regime, this regime doesn't do extensions, so 2. the most likely thing is they rework his deal, guarantee his 2024 & 2025 base salaries, likely fully for 2024, and partial fully for 2025, but in no way are the 49ers releasing CMC, or anyone IMO once Brock is extended, the deal won't be structured like ppl think, it'll have low cap numbers for the first 3yrs, including the yr he's extended, so 2025-2027, then it'll jump in 2028, by then CMC & others are either on new deals, or are gone, plus by 2028 the cap should be in the $355M range for 2028.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
ut oh?

the way the NFL is now, teams aren't getting it correct at RB and TE, they are undervalued to WR, which is overvalued. In what world does Calvin Ridley making more than CMC make any sense, makes more than Kelce also. This is a major reason we just invested in WRs on cost controlled deals.

He is def undervalued and Kyle pounded him into oblivion last season so I get it.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Problems with this, 1. the 49ers don't extend players with more than 1yr left on their deal, so I don't see CMC having any leverage on a new deal, this might be like the Frank Gore situation, he held out, but ultimately got something like a new deal, but that was under Balk regime, this regime doesn't do extensions, so 2. the most likely thing is they rework his deal, guarantee his 2024 & 2025 base salaries, likely fully for 2024, and partial fully for 2025, but in no way are the 49ers releasing CMC, or anyone IMO once Brock is extended, the deal won't be structured like ppl think, it'll have low cap numbers for the first 3yrs, including the yr he's extended, so 2025-2027, then it'll jump in 2028, by then CMC & others are either on new deals, or are gone, plus by 2028 the cap should be in the $355M range for 2028.

Makes sense. I want a happy a motivated CMC.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the way the NFL is now, teams aren't getting it correct at RB and TE, they are undervalued to WR, which is overvalued. In what world does Calvin Ridley making more than CMC make any sense, makes more than Kelce also. This is a major reason we just invested in WRs on cost controlled deals.

Didn't you just say WRs who could get open were the most valuable commodities in the league outside of QBs and pass rush?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Didn't you just say WRs who could get open were the most valuable commodities in the league outside of QBs and pass rush?

Obviously the most valuable commodities outside of qbs and pass rush are also overvalued. Makes perfect sense.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
ut oh?

the way the NFL is now, teams aren't getting it correct at RB and TE, they are undervalued to WR, which is overvalued. In what world does Calvin Ridley making more than CMC make any sense, makes more than Kelce also. This is a major reason we just invested in WRs on cost controlled deals.

I agree. The NFL like some other sorts is trendy. If a couple of the top teams do something then all the teams do it. Players should be paid according to their value to their team not according to other players that play the same position. Juice wouldn't even be on the rosterfor a lot of teams but he's valuable to the 49ers. Kyle is using CMC to the max. Maybe even over using him. He should get paid. I like Aiyuk but there are other receivers that can do what he does. How many RBs can do all the things that CMC does in this offense.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the way the NFL is now, teams aren't getting it correct at RB and TE, they are undervalued to WR, which is overvalued. In what world does Calvin Ridley making more than CMC make any sense, makes more than Kelce also. This is a major reason we just invested in WRs on cost controlled deals.

Didn't you just say WRs who could get open were the most valuable commodities in the league outside of QBs and pass rush?

Good to see you are reading my stuff

There are two considerations or types of value. If you look at what GMs value, you can see how they spend their dollars. It's at EDGE or WR after QB. Maybe LT also. Then there is value players generate for their club. RBs (as I already stated) are imo undervalued by the league. To illustrate in numbers per spotrac, Deebo has a cap hit of $28m. CMC is $14m. Probably should be flipped if we were going on value to SF.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Good to see you are reading my stuff

There are two considerations or types of value. If you look at what GMs value, you can see how they spend their dollars. It's at EDGE or WR after QB. Maybe LT also. Then there is value players generate for their club. RBs (as I already stated) are imo undervalued by the league. To illustrate in numbers per spotrac, Deebo has a cap hit of $28m. CMC is $14m. Probably should be flipped if we were going on value to SF.

I just disagree with this on principle. RB's are appropriately valued around the league. Short careers, highly dependent on scheme and teammate production, and pretty easily replaceable with some exception. I think CMC fits that exception because he's such a great pass target, but we also are one of the most equipped teams to not need a star RB due to our coach and scheme. Our offensive production improved when he was acquired, but Purdy's intro is when it really jumped.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I just disagree with this on principle. RB's are appropriately valued around the league. Short careers, highly dependent on scheme and teammate production, and pretty easily replaceable with some exception. I think CMC fits that exception because he's such a great pass target, but we also are one of the most equipped teams to not need a star RB due to our coach and scheme. Our offensive production improved when he was acquired, but Purdy's intro is when it really jumped.

You may be correct, if CMC misses big chunks of 2024, and 2025, we may say he's paid correct, or even overpaid, which is what ppl were in fact saying not long ago. If we isolate 2023, he was a bargain. He was traded for us pretty easily also, bunch of day 2s. Philly mentioned this when the landed Saquon, they said if the league is zigging they want to zag, something to that effect. Howie Roseman.

This is the problem with over using guys like Deebo and CMC. They become entitled and want more. Both Deebo and CMC can run the ball as well as catch it, maybe spread the ball around so that none of these guys feel like we can't live without them?

If anything it could be argued that CMC deserves less based on the RB market value.

It's like he forgot what it was like playing for Carolina. Early exit every year, he should be happy he's with a winning team that is contending. If he isn't, send him on his marry way.
Problem is, RB's trade value isn't very good right now.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
This is the problem with over using guys like Deebo and CMC. They become entitled and want more. Both Deebo and CMC can run the ball as well as catch it, maybe spread the ball around so that none of these guys feel like we can't live without them?

If anything it could be argued that CMC deserves less based on the RB market value.

It's like he forgot what it was like playing for Carolina. Early exit every year, he should be happy he's with a winning team that is contending. If he isn't, send him on his marry way.
Problem is, RB's trade value isn't very good right now.

CMC should honor his contract that he agreed to, but he probably has a gambling problem if he's hurting for cash

I don't think CMC is asking for more. I think he wants more money guaranteed. If he gets a serious injury the Niners could cut him and he gets nothing. So if it's just about the guaranteed money I don't blame him. He gets over 350 touches a year from a position that takes alot of abuse and yet none of his money remaining on his contract is guaranteed. So if this CMC's issue, just give him guaranteed money. Niners are never cutting him anyways unless he has some career altering injury.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I don't think CMC is asking for more. I think he wants more money guaranteed. If he gets a serious injury the Niners could cut him and he gets nothing. So if it's just about the guaranteed money I don't blame him. He gets over 350 touches a year from a position that takes alot of abuse and yet none of his money remaining on his contract is guaranteed. So if this CMC's issue, just give him guaranteed money. Niners are never cutting him anyways unless he has some career altering injury.

Every player on the roster is in the same boat!

Every RB in the league is in the same boat, they aren't valued. I don't like it either but it is what it is. If we give him more guaranteed money we set a precedence that you just hold out and we increase your guaranteed money.

Deebo was in his same position (Runner & Receiver) and held out for a new contract and got called a DIVA. CMC is not even up for a new contract so what does this make him?

CMC is acting like he won us a SB.