CMC, Elite RB who will start!

Originally posted by Tman:
Lol

Its the qb, wait no it's the blocking, wait no it's the running scheme. Every point you have tried to make has been invalidated, except the "it's not fantasy football"

Numbers are number dude, JWJ is getting better blocking then most of the league and doing less with it. More then a full yard then CMC.

You are basically proving my point anyways, if this running scheme is that good that it allows mediocre rbs to average nearly 5 yards a carry, an elite back would do that much better and take it to another level.

And I haven't even touched on his value as a receiver

WTF are you talking about? There's is nothing invalid that I have said, when it comes to the running offense. YES QB play matters. You don't think that then this convo is over. YES scheme and how you block matter when running the ball (and stats like YAC/per) . You don't think that the convo is over.

you pretending that CMC is gonna get over 6 yards per carry ROS is comical. That's literally NEVER happened.

my point is the RBs are NOT the f**king issue. When your backup is getting almost 5 ypc that is all you need to know. THAT is f**king fact! They don't have A rushing issue. When they get behind quickly like last game the running game goes out the window. Plain and simple. Got watch the damn film. They aren't executing and stack up up f**k up on top of f**k ups. That has zero to do with the RB position.

all I've said is yes his true value is as a pass catcher…but guess what we have all kinds of those on the team currently. You and others will cry that Kittle isn't getting 10 targets a game or Deebo or BA or CMC. Take your pick. There's only one football and we're one of the slowest offenses in the league.

so yeah it does come down to fantasy football bias. CMC is forced fed the ball on a trash team for years. Fans see that and think that will transfer to any team he goes to. He's constantly hurt, will actually cost legit compensation regardless to what you're fabricating AND will demand MORE GTD cash.

A f**king RB 😂 😂

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
I just want to clarify what you're saying in the bolded above.

You think CMC being in a different offensive scheme is the reason he more yards after contact… basically because contact comes sooner? You think Mitchell and Wilson are better at making the correct read/cut than CMC? You think CMCs only worth is as a third down receiver?

Im just wondering, because that's what you posted. It would be a pretty bold opinion to think that CMC wouldn't be an upgrade over our RBs in every category.

I do not think adding him as a runner will make this rushing offense worlds better, no. We're already getting almost 5 ypc from our backup. Like I said adding CMC is like adding another good LBer. We DO NOT need that. That is not the issue. Would be fun but almost a waste of compensation and money that could be used for real needs.

yes OZ is all about finding the hole and going. It's not about breaking tackles and dancing around. I never said CMC has poor vision or wouldn't be a fit, I said tackle breaking isn't a necessity with OZ. Speed and vision are.

yes his true value is as a pass catcher that can lineup in the slot and create all kinds of havoc for defenses. I think he's a very good but often injured player. I do not value the running back position overall. You do not need to spend up or have to have some elite RB to win a ton of games. That's the truth of it.

Speaking of fantasy….who wins this trade????

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Speaking of fantasy….who wins this trade????

As someone who has both Harris and Gibson I'd say Hill makes it a win for whoever gets him, Harris and Gibson have been awful .

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Speaking of fantasy….who wins this trade????

As someone who has both Harris and Gibson I'd say Hill makes it a win for whoever gets him, Harris and Gibson have been awful .

Yeah Harris is killing me. I got Hall/hunt/and Walker for RBs (Mitchell on IR) WRs are Diggs/DK/JuJu and a collection of depth. Hill is what I need, his best RB is Gibson lol woof

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Tman:
Lol

Its the qb, wait no it's the blocking, wait no it's the running scheme. Every point you have tried to make has been invalidated, except the "it's not fantasy football"

Numbers are number dude, JWJ is getting better blocking then most of the league and doing less with it. More then a full yard then CMC.

You are basically proving my point anyways, if this running scheme is that good that it allows mediocre rbs to average nearly 5 yards a carry, an elite back would do that much better and take it to another level.

And I haven't even touched on his value as a receiver

WTF are you talking about? There's is nothing invalid that I have said, when it comes to the running offense. YES QB play matters. You don't think that then this convo is over. YES scheme and how you block matter when running the ball (and stats like YAC/per) . You don't think that the convo is over.

you pretending that CMC is gonna get over 6 yards per carry ROS is comical. That's literally NEVER happened.

my point is the RBs are NOT the f**king issue. When your backup is getting almost 5 ypc that is all you need to know. THAT is f**king fact! They don't have A rushing issue. When they get behind quickly like last game the running game goes out the window. Plain and simple. Got watch the damn film. They aren't executing and stack up up f**k up on top of f**k ups. That has zero to do with the RB position.

all I've said is yes his true value is as a pass catcher…but guess what we have all kinds of those on the team currently. You and others will cry that Kittle isn't getting 10 targets a game or Deebo or BA or CMC. Take your pick. There's only one football and we're one of the slowest offenses in the league.

so yeah it does come down to fantasy football bias. CMC is forced fed the ball on a trash team for years. Fans see that and think that will transfer to any team he goes to. He's constantly hurt, will actually cost legit compensation regardless to what you're fabricating AND will demand MORE GTD cash.

A f**king RB 😂 😂

TRIGGERD lol

Sorry the numbers go against your narrative, never said he would do that just said if you used yards before contact JWJ gets and the yards after contact CMC gets its ALMOST 6 yards a carry, I also included the words "obviously not fully transferable" but you might not have read that part before getting triggered

Acting like CMC is only good in fantasy and wouldn't immediately upgrade this offense is comical

The niners are not the only team that runs OZ yet we block it better then anybody and Wilson is near the worst in the league in yards after contact, if you can't see how that can be improved then thats a you problem

Originally posted by Tman:
TRIGGERD lol

Sorry the numbers go against your narrative, never said he would do that just said if you used yards before contact JWJ gets and the yards after contact CMC gets its ALMOST 6 yards a carry, I also included the words "obviously not fully transferable" but you might not have read that part before getting triggered

Acting like CMC is only good in fantasy and wouldn't immediately upgrade this offense is comical

The niners are not the only team that runs OZ yet we block it better then anybody and Wilson is near the worst in the league in yards after contact, if you can't see how that can be improved then thats a you problem

Lol nope that's just how I talk….you new in here HA?

No they don't. 5 ypc is 5 ypc anyway you slice it. Ain't nobody going for over 6 ypc in the NFL over the course of a season. Never happened.

What's comical is thinking we're a RB away from being some great offense 💀 😂 RB is NOT the issue. Stop pretending it is. Ya it is fantasy football on the brain. I'm not saying he's not talented or isn't better than our backup RB, no one is saying that. RB is not the issue though. Pretend NC would take a random 3rd for your favorite RB is comical too. Can't have it both ways dude.

we also don't just run OZ buzzy. More than most sure….Just tell me you don't watch the film because you don't clearly. Johnny went over what went wrong last week. Wasn't the RB overall.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Tman:
TRIGGERD lol

Sorry the numbers go against your narrative, never said he would do that just said if you used yards before contact JWJ gets and the yards after contact CMC gets its ALMOST 6 yards a carry, I also included the words "obviously not fully transferable" but you might not have read that part before getting triggered

Acting like CMC is only good in fantasy and wouldn't immediately upgrade this offense is comical

The niners are not the only team that runs OZ yet we block it better then anybody and Wilson is near the worst in the league in yards after contact, if you can't see how that can be improved then thats a you problem

Lol nope that's just how I talk….you new in here HA?

No they don't. 5 ypc is 5 ypc anyway you slice it. Ain't nobody going for over 6 ypc in the NFL over the course of a season. Never happened.

What's comical is thinking we're a RB away from being some great offense 💀 😂 RB is NOT the issue. Stop pretending it is. Ya it is fantasy football on the brain. I'm not saying he's not talented or isn't better than our backup RB, no one is saying that. RB is not the issue though. Pretend NC would take a random 3rd for your favorite RB is comical too. Can't have it both ways dude.

we also don't just run OZ buzzy. More than most sure….Just tell me you don't watch the film because you don't clearly. Johnny went over what went wrong last week. Wasn't the RB overall.

Your emojis, lols and capitals took a significant jump in that last post

We have gone back and forth a few times over the years, been on this board for well over a decade my friend

I know you are content with just a good offense, and JWJ is just fine for you. I believe we have an elite defense (when healthy), a mid tier qb and a running game that needs a jolt if we have any expectations of making any noise in the playoffs.

Also I am looking at this season as a whole, not just the falcons game. The falcons game was trash, JWJ was completely ineffective in that game along with our entire run game....Jimmy should have played better, the clock management at the end was trash and the defense was so banged up we couldn't stop anything without the benefit of the Falcons committing offensive penalties.

You reference the OZ as the reason why JWJ has such a low yards after contact, and thats just not the truth.....the numbers are the numbers....we currently rank near the bottom of the league in rushing EPA and thats because we dont have a back that can get it done, not because the blocking is subpar or the qb is terrible. This offense is at its best when it can rip off chunk runs with a back that really threatens the defense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Tman:
TRIGGERD lol

Sorry the numbers go against your narrative, never said he would do that just said if you used yards before contact JWJ gets and the yards after contact CMC gets its ALMOST 6 yards a carry, I also included the words "obviously not fully transferable" but you might not have read that part before getting triggered

Acting like CMC is only good in fantasy and wouldn't immediately upgrade this offense is comical

The niners are not the only team that runs OZ yet we block it better then anybody and Wilson is near the worst in the league in yards after contact, if you can't see how that can be improved then thats a you problem

Lol nope that's just how I talk….you new in here HA?

No they don't. 5 ypc is 5 ypc anyway you slice it. Ain't nobody going for over 6 ypc in the NFL over the course of a season. Never happened.

What's comical is thinking we're a RB away from being some great offense 💀 😂 RB is NOT the issue. Stop pretending it is. Ya it is fantasy football on the brain. I'm not saying he's not talented or isn't better than our backup RB, no one is saying that. RB is not the issue though. Pretend NC would take a random 3rd for your favorite RB is comical too. Can't have it both ways dude.

we also don't just run OZ buzzy. More than most sure….Just tell me you don't watch the film because you don't clearly. Johnny went over what went wrong last week. Wasn't the RB overall.

So deebo had no effect in reviving the Offense last year, and i guess Mostert/breida and their big runs was just fantasy football in 2019

our offense is fine.. we can always rely on the defense to win it for us

I fully expect Carolina to not trade CMC, if they do and getting him for a 3rd rounder would be awesome but I highly doubt they do.

Originally posted by Tman:
Your emojis, lols and capitals took a significant jump in that last post

We have gone back and forth a few times over the years, been on this board for well over a decade my friend

I know you are content with just a good offense, and JWJ is just fine for you. I believe we have an elite defense (when healthy), a mid tier qb and a running game that needs a jolt if we have any expectations of making any noise in the playoffs.

Also I am looking at this season as a whole, not just the falcons game. The falcons game was trash, JWJ was completely ineffective in that game along with our entire run game....Jimmy should have played better, the clock management at the end was trash and the defense was so banged up we couldn't stop anything without the benefit of the Falcons committing offensive penalties.

You reference the OZ as the reason why JWJ has such a low yards after contact, and thats just not the truth.....the numbers are the numbers....we currently rank near the bottom of the league in rushing EPA and thats because we dont have a back that can get it done, not because the blocking is subpar or the qb is terrible. This offense is at its best when it can rip off chunk runs with a back that really threatens the defense.

Then you should know that's how I talk. I never take s**t too seriously in here.

Why is that not the truth? Explain. If your job is to use vision and speed NOT tackle breaking then who cares if you're breaking tackles for a scheme that doesn't totally require that of their RBs. Also if you do want to talk about tackle breaking Mitchell was actually better than CMC. Both are always hurt, who cares.

RB isn't the issue which is my whole damn point. Pretending that it's because you want a flashy name is silly

Kyle likes to run on 1st and 2nd down.....and we face a lot of 3rd and longs, wonder what the problem might be?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So deebo had no effect in reviving the Offense last year, and i guess Mostert/breida and their big runs was just fantasy football in 2019

our offense is fine.. we can always rely on the defense to win it for us

You keep saying this and then don't answer my question. Deebo was not a RB, most carries he had in a game was 8. That was scheme related. He's talented no doubt but not a RB.

why isn't Deebo working back there this yr? Please answer or stop tossing that out as a rebuttal.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So deebo had no effect in reviving the Offense last year, and i guess Mostert/breida and their big runs was just fantasy football in 2019

our offense is fine.. we can always rely on the defense to win it for us

You keep saying this and then don't answer my question. Deebo was not a RB, most carries he had in a game was 8. That was scheme related. He's talented no doubt but not a RB.

why isn't Deebo working back there this yr? Please answer or stop tossing that out as a rebuttal.

i asked the question first..member ?

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
The team needs to rejuvenate itself, what they have isn't producing. Mostert was a homerun threat and better than anyone here, but they let him walk. CMC would add juice to the lineup. Time to shake things up.

So you're telling me you were not complaining the entire time about how Mostert is always getting injured?