CMC, Elite RB who will start!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Tman:
Your emojis, lols and capitals took a significant jump in that last post

We have gone back and forth a few times over the years, been on this board for well over a decade my friend

I know you are content with just a good offense, and JWJ is just fine for you. I believe we have an elite defense (when healthy), a mid tier qb and a running game that needs a jolt if we have any expectations of making any noise in the playoffs.

Also I am looking at this season as a whole, not just the falcons game. The falcons game was trash, JWJ was completely ineffective in that game along with our entire run game....Jimmy should have played better, the clock management at the end was trash and the defense was so banged up we couldn't stop anything without the benefit of the Falcons committing offensive penalties.

You reference the OZ as the reason why JWJ has such a low yards after contact, and thats just not the truth.....the numbers are the numbers....we currently rank near the bottom of the league in rushing EPA and thats because we dont have a back that can get it done, not because the blocking is subpar or the qb is terrible. This offense is at its best when it can rip off chunk runs with a back that really threatens the defense.

Then you should know that's how I talk. I never take s**t too seriously in here.

Why is that not the truth? Explain. If your job is to use vision and speed NOT tackle breaking then who cares if you're breaking tackles for a scheme that doesn't totally require that of their RBs. Also if you do want to talk about tackle breaking Mitchell was actually better than CMC. Both are always hurt, who cares.

RB isn't the issue which is my whole damn point. Pretending that it's because you want a flashy name is silly

Yea I know how you post, pretty easy to see when the trigger happens

So what your telling me is an RB should go down after contact quicker in an OZ scheme as opposed to another scheme? Shouldn't an RB try their very best to not go down on any sort of contact lol

The truth is JWJ has one of the worst yards after contact in the league regardless of scheme (many teams also run the OZ), that needs to be better for our offense to function better. So you should care if you want to see a better offense.

The offense has a lot more juice to it when Mitchell is the RB because of his superior skills as a runner and his "yards after contact" but can not be counted on as a bell cow back. So RB is an issue, the numbers clearly show it. Pairing him with an elite back with the skills of CMC would take this offense to another level while reducing the wear and tear on both of them. If one of them goes down for a while you still have the other and JWJ can back them up as the serviceable back up.

We dont agree on this and its ok, I think elite running backs are valuable and you don't.

Hopefully we can get him at a reasonable price (although I dont think we will) and we can see for ourselves if it makes a difference

Originally posted by Tman:
I fully expect Carolina to not trade CMC, if they do and getting him for a 3rd rounder would be awesome but I highly doubt they do.

I think that they will actually. Maybe not to us, but to some AFC team prolly. Think about it. He's been with them since 2017. They saw the highs and lows with him. They saw how good they could be with him (11-5 and first round playoff exit) and there's no real plan on the horizon to get better. They can draft a QB this year, but he will take another 2-3 years to develop. By that time CMC will probably be declining. And the elephant in the room, he's extremely injury prone. Why wouldn't the Panthers try to gain some capital while he is still in his prime...ish? Someone will bite on him

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i asked the question first..member ?

And I explained it. Now answer mine. Why isn't Deebo working this yr?

Originally posted by Tman:
Yea I know how you post, pretty easy to see when the trigger happens

So what your telling me is an RB should go down after contact quicker in an OZ scheme as opposed to another scheme? Shouldn't an RB try their very best to not go down on any sort of contact lol

The truth is JWJ has one of the worst yards after contact in the league regardless of scheme (many teams also run the OZ), that needs to be better for our offense to function better. So you should care if you want to see a better offense.

The offense has a lot more juice to it when Mitchell is the RB because of his superior skills as a runner and his "yards after contact" but can not be counted on as a bell cow back. So RB is an issue, the numbers clearly show it. Pairing him with an elite back with the skills of CMC would take this offense to another level while reducing the wear and tear on both of them. If one of them goes down for a while you still have the other and JWJ can back them up as the serviceable back up.

We dont agree on this and its ok, I think elite running backs are valuable and you don't.

Hopefully we can get him at a reasonable price (although I dont think we will) and we can see for ourselves if it makes a difference

Lol if you think I get triggered over anything in here than that's on you. I don't take half the s**t people say in here seriously, a lot of posters are just emotional Instant gratification fans.

yes we will disagree. Dynamic running backs aren't winning Super Bowls. We most certainly don't have a RB issue. There are without a doubt other needs that should take precedent to make the team better. That said as a fantasy fan sure why not.

Is the running back bringing a center and a guard with him?

SF fans: why in the world would would we ever draft a RB in the 3rd! We can and do fine quality RBs late or even undrafted! Why spend money on RBs! Ugh we just burn thru RBs, they're always hurt!

also SF fans: Please trade for a "elite" RB who will WANT GTD $ wherever he goes. Please take our 3rd rd picks and more. Oh he's a payed 16 games in 2 in a half yrs and half? Sounds great!

lol you can't make this stuff up.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i asked the question first..member ?

And I explained it. Now answer mine. Why isn't Deebo working this yr?

explained what.. i just went back and looked. no answer. It's a yes or no question

Originally posted by lamontb:
Is the running back bringing a center and a guard with him?

Center is the real issue. We need a starting caliber DB. We need depth at DT with AA/Kin basically out for multiple weeks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Is the running back bringing a center and a guard with him?

Center is the real issue. We need a starting caliber DB. We need depth at DT with AA/Kin basically out for multiple weeks.

Yea center and DT are real concerns. We have 0 depth behind AA or Kinlaw. DB wise one of these dudes gotta step up. In reality it just doesn't look like Lenior, Thomas, or Womack are capable right now. Thomas has been a pretty big disappointment

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
explained what.. i just went back and looked. no answer. It's a yes or no question

He added juice to the run game. He is NOT a RB, the most carries in a game he had was 8. A big part of it was yes Deebo and the fact the it put defenses under a tom stress to defend (because the personnel that had to put on the field vs ours).

NOW explain to me why our dynamic runner and those plays aren't working? Since it's all because of him according to you?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
explained what.. i just went back and looked. no answer. It's a yes or no question

He added juice to the run game. He is NOT a RB, the most carries in a game he had was 8. A big part of it was yes Deebo and the fact the it put defenses under a tom stress to defend (because the personnel that had to put on the field vs ours).

NOW explain to me why our dynamic runner and those plays aren't working? Since it's all because of him according to you?

so is that a yes ?

confirmed

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Is the running back bringing a center and a guard with him?

Center is the real issue. We need a starting caliber DB. We need depth at DT with AA/Kin basically out for multiple weeks.

"Center" has been an Issue since the beginning of time.

We all thought or at least expected the team to address the situation through the draft or free agency.

Maybe Kyle and Lynch will eventually see what the rest of us have been seeing for the last few years or so and actually draft or sign a quality center.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea center and DT are real concerns. We have 0 depth behind AA or Kinlaw. DB wise one of these dudes gotta step up. In reality it just doesn't look like Lenior, Thomas, or Womack are capable right now. Thomas has been a pretty big disappointment

We have depth and rotational guys. Not dudes you want taking starter reps though.

lenior/Womack are okay in the slot. Thomas outside is sketchy. I would hope they make a play for a DB.

Originally posted by Sickaa:
"Center" has been an Issue since the beginning of time.

We all thought or at least expected the team to address the situation through the draft or free agency.

Maybe Kyle and Lynch will eventually see what the rest of us have been seeing for the last few years or so and actually draft or sign a quality center.

Richburg was a quality signing. Injuries destroyed that. He was good when he played. Whole Mack wasn't an all-pro last yr, he knows this scheme and was a general in regards to calling protections.

regardless I don't see how you could think Brendel a career backup would all of a sudden rise to the occasion. What's crazier is he's PBLK better than RBLK this yr. Actually doing better than guys like Frank Ragnow, Mitch Morse, David Andrews etc there