CMC, Elite RB who will start!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You keep talking CMC. If you post 1000 more anti CMC rants I think the board will get it.

I'm more interested in anyone other than Wilson..

Mason / TDP come to mind. Let the great 49er bellcow back Wilson take a game or two to go into the lab and work on thy ball security. Even the struggling HC in DEN knows that Melvin Gordon if he puts it on the ground twice and costs games.. he sits. He had a fumble housed like Wilson did. Another glaring fumble.. like Wilson did also.

Dude it's literally what we're discussing.

The thread title doesn't mention CMC and the OP said specifically in his post he was avoiding turning this into a CMC thread.. but continue..

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol nope. You searched for any stat that would make you correct, regardless of the outcome that truly matters with a RB, YPC.

I never said blocking was to blame. I said a QB playing out of the gun limits the playbook including the running game. That is actually factual. You talked about play-action and it is most certainly not as affective when you're constantly out of the gun.

yes QB play matters, pretending it doesn't is foolish. We've consistently had some of the most stacked boxes for years because of it. Go look at yr after yr. go look at CMC currently 18.8% of his carries are 8+ men in the box…Wilson is over 27% which is 4th highest in the league.

who cares about having a "bell cow" back? It's 2022 not 1996. You repeating it over and over doesn't make any of it matter more

Oh really

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So show me the RB missing all the holes. Again there's only 4 RBs avging more yards per carry (with as many carries) as Wilson, who not even the starter.

it isn't a Rb issue. It's a constant stacked box and lack of good run blocking issue.

Cant take your posts serious anymore so have yourself a good day my friend

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol nope. You searched for any stat that would make you correct, regardless of the outcome that truly matters with a RB, YPC.

I never said blocking was to blame. I said a QB playing out of the gun limits the playbook including the running game. That is actually factual. You talked about play-action and it is most certainly not as affective when you're constantly out of the gun.

yes QB play matters, pretending it doesn't is foolish. We've consistently had some of the most stacked boxes for years because of it. Go look at yr after yr. go look at CMC currently 18.8% of his carries are 8+ men in the box…Wilson is over 27% which is 4th highest in the league.

who cares about having a "bell cow" back? It's 2022 not 1996. You repeating it over and over doesn't make any of it matter more

Oh really

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So show me the RB missing all the holes. Again there's only 4 RBs avging more yards per carry (with as many carries) as Wilson, who not even the starter.

it isn't a Rb issue. It's a constant stacked box and lack of good run blocking issue.

Cant take your posts serious anymore so have yourself a good day my friend

I've noticed this myself.. it's hard to take serious sometimes.. especially with the bluster and insults.. he called folks that don't happen to share his opinion 'dumb fans' and 'fantasy' footballers.. yeah that'll foster good convo on here..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol nope. You searched for any stat that would make you correct, regardless of the outcome that truly matters with a RB, YPC.

I never said blocking was to blame. I said a QB playing out of the gun limits the playbook including the running game. That is actually factual. You talked about play-action and it is most certainly not as affective when you're constantly out of the gun.

yes QB play matters, pretending it doesn't is foolish. We've consistently had some of the most stacked boxes for years because of it. Go look at yr after yr. go look at CMC currently 18.8% of his carries are 8+ men in the box…Wilson is over 27% which is 4th highest in the league.

who cares about having a "bell cow" back? It's 2022 not 1996. You repeating it over and over doesn't make any of it matter more

Oh really

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So show me the RB missing all the holes. Again there's only 4 RBs avging more yards per carry (with as many carries) as Wilson, who not even the starter.

it isn't a Rb issue. It's a constant stacked box and lack of good run blocking issue.

Cant take your posts serious anymore so have yourself a good day my friend

I've noticed this myself.. it's hard to take serious sometimes.. especially with the bluster and insults.. he called folks that don't happen to share his opinion 'dumb fans' and 'fantasy' footballers.. yeah that'll foster good convo on here..

once he posts something he has to dig in .. right or wrong

I really like the 11 package with Deebo shifting in the backfield. Defense plays run and we've gotten quite a few easy completions to deebo out of the backfield.

We should use that way more - shift Wilson out, if we get an interesting matchup on deebo, like say a LB, have him run a wheel route, or go empty and have him run the seams. otherwise bring Wilson back into the backfield and use him as a fullback in the run game.

We need to get way more creative with Deebo as a receiver out of the backfield. Would open up a lot of options

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
I really like the 11 package with Deebo shifting in the backfield. Defense plays run and we've gotten quite a few easy completions to deebo out of the backfield.

We should use that way more - shift CHRISTIAN MCCAFFEREY out, if we get an interesting matchup on deebo, like say a LB, have him run a wheel route, or go empty and have him run the seams. otherwise bring CHRISTIAN MCCAFFEREY back into the backfield and use him as a fullback in the run game.

We need to get way more creative with Deebo as a receiver out of the backfield. Would open up a lot of options

Originally posted by picklejuice:

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
I really like the 11 package with Deebo shifting in the backfield. Defense plays run and we've gotten quite a few easy completions to deebo out of the backfield.

We should use that way more - shift CHRISTIAN MCCAFFEREY out, if we get an interesting matchup on deebo, like say a LB, have him run a wheel route, or go empty and have him run the seams. otherwise bring CHRISTIAN MCCAFFEREY back into the backfield and use him as a fullback in the run game.

We need to get way more creative with Deebo as a receiver out of the backfield. Would open up a lot of options

Kyle was looking for that type of back when he brought Mckinnon on.. injuries too him away

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
In any of the players currently being on the "so called" trading block, CMC is the only one that could help us this season and the next two seasons

this whole hurt talk is being scared, he aint hurt now and we have no one after Wilson.. we are going to need another dynamic player to help jimmy with his check downs and wilson is not doing it himself

Any player we sign, trade for or draft ain't hurt…how many discussions do we need to have about taking on often injured players before people realize there's usually a correlation?

we're not lacking playmakers. We're lacking in execution from our team overall. Check downs aren't the answer.

Originally posted by Tman:
Oh really

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So show me the RB missing all the holes. Again there's only 4 RBs avging more yards per carry (with as many carries) as Wilson, who not even the starter.

it isn't a Rb issue. It's a constant stacked box and lack of good run blocking issue.

Cant take your posts serious anymore so have yourself a good day my friend

Lol you're a data guy let's checkout our PFF RBLK grades so far.

banks-55.6
Burford-49.2
Brendel-49.6
McG-75
Moore-67

that's far from great dude.

love how you disregard the stack box rates and how that applies to QB play….don't fit the narrative I guess

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
once he posts something he has to dig in .. right or wrong

Pot meet kettle

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The thread title doesn't mention CMC and the OP said specifically in his post he was avoiding turning this into a CMC thread.. but continue..

No one told you to comment on my post. Feel free to make your own and discuss, instead of trying to dictate what we can talk about in a thread. Last I checked you're not a mod. So yes I will carry on

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
once he posts something he has to dig in .. right or wrong

Pot meet kettle

depends on what it is, saying CMC has no value to this offense is not one

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I've noticed this myself.. it's hard to take serious sometimes.. especially with the bluster and insults.. he called folks that don't happen to share his opinion 'dumb fans' and 'fantasy' footballers.. yeah that'll foster good convo on here..

Who are you? I've been talking football with a lot of people in here for almost a decade. You don't want to talk to me, easy mute button…I'm pretty close to doing it to you. Like others have.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
once he posts something he has to dig in .. right or wrong

Pot meet kettle

depends on what it is, saying CMC has no value to this offense is not one

Show me where I said he has no value? I said RBs overall aren't a valuable as some think and our team is a great example of that. I said we need other things and overall our RBs aren't the main issue at all.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Tman:
Oh really

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So show me the RB missing all the holes. Again there's only 4 RBs avging more yards per carry (with as many carries) as Wilson, who not even the starter.

it isn't a Rb issue. It's a constant stacked box and lack of good run blocking issue.

Cant take your posts serious anymore so have yourself a good day my friend

Lol you're a data guy let's checkout our PFF RBLK grades so far.

banks-55.6
Burford-49.2
Brendel-49.6
McG-75
Moore-67

that's far from great dude.

love how you disregard the stack box rates and how that applies to QB play….don't fit the narrative I guess

I haven't disregarded anything, the stacked box just further proves my point of the excellent run blocking JWJ is receiving…don't forget run blocking is a team effort not an individual lineman effort.

Either way you are now a proven liar that will post whatever garbage fits your weak narrative so you can "win". Don't need to engage with you further.