Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
It's disappointing, but I can understand backups & 3rd Stringers playing like backups and 3rd stringers. They'll lose Kyle's trust, so that's on them to get even less playing time or passes thrown their way.
But Jonny you seemed to downplay Jimmy missed deep throw to Aiyuk. Brandon had his man beat for a potential TD, but Jimmy under threw it. That potential TD was needed in this kind of a game.
As well as that fourth down pass to Deebo who was clearly covered. Even if they are playing zone, shouldn't Jimmy have went to the next option which is Aiyuk that was behind him open for a 1st down?
I don't feel Jimmy played well or good. He had some good plays, and had two key drops that could've been big plays....he played like Jimmy.... . but still, I would hope he could get some points in the second half when he STILL has a Deebo, Aiyuk, and Kittle. Few teams have those kinds of weapons. The fact we didn't get any points in the second half is just worrying.
Going into this game, it was obvious that our offense needed to help our defense out. And I don't feel they did. Bad on bad was expected from the defense. They had backups, and didn't have the opportunity to keep the dline fresh like usual.
First, that deep ball, you can't expect a pinpoint throw on 50+ yards. I watch BUF and KC's tape and those kind of routes are thrown just like that a ton. Tyreek went and made catches on balls like that and even more underthrown all the time. If a receiver requires his QB to put a ball in a trash can that far downfield, that's unrealistic. If you look back on it, Jimmy is throwing as Aiyuk is breaking.
On the last play, those weren't my words, I took that from Kyle's presser. He said they were expecting man and had a man beater called and they came with zone. The bigger issue are the 2 plays before it. That's why I focused on those. Shouldn't even come down to the 4th down play.
It doesn't have to be a throw in a "trash can", i think that's a little disingenuous, it just has to be a throw that leads Aiyuk more to the sidelines. The ball was clearly under thrown. Not an easy throw by any means. But in the Denver game, you said something like, "Just because Jimmy had a bad read, doesn't mean we should excuse Aiyuk for his bad rep"
So how is this any different? Just because Aiyuk doesn't jump up and make the catch, that doesn't mean Jimmy couldn't have made a better throw.
I don't think the two are equal. There are different degrees of difficulty and also in comparison with the league.
Like I said, I see Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers throw these balls just like this all the time, more often than not. I could easily find 10 examples of Tyreek slowing up and making a high point catch in KC.
You can make the argument, "well they lead their guys into space better more often" well, can't we give Jimmy some space since he dropped 3 big time deep throws right on the money in the game, a 4th one can be just a tad off? You're asking for 100% perfection, which no QB in the league will provide. I'm asking for Aiyuk to elevate to a top tier WR because he's a 1st round pick and when you look around at the top, explosive offenses you will see guys who separate, make contested catches and high point deep balls. They make their QB's look a lot better. How different does Aaron Rodgers look this year without Davante Adams? Rodgers didn't get worse, Adams isn't there who is an absolute stud.
I want Aiyuk to be Adams. It's a high bar, but one I think he has all the tools to be. You can't ask your QB to be perfect in the deep passing game. There's not a single QB in the league that will meet that threshold. I sure hope Trey isn't held to that standard.