Who holds this offense back more?

Jimmy played better than a vast majority of QBs this week in all reality. Guys like Hurts and put up less points against a mediocre team and a few other prominent QBs struggled as well. We turn those 3 fg into 1 or 2 TDs and this game was viewed completely differently.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Well considering the results is 50/50 so far with 86 votes. Kyle and Jimmy are equally being "s**t on".

Edit: not to mention I've praised Jimmy for his game against the Falcons, Panthers, and Rams. But you can lie and say I didn't if that suits your "everyone's mean to Jimmy narrative" while ignoring half of the webzone thinks Kyle is as much to blame.

Just for argument's sake, I'll reiterate my first post: Jimmy's limitations are the big reason why this offense has been held back. Kyle has proven results elsewhere, Jimmy doesn't especially now the league has figured him out. Kyle has to work around these limitations to make things work.

These Jimmy hate complaints are dumb. We can easily say this thread is actually the opposite, and that this is a bashing thread outside of Kyle's thread.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Rodney Harrison just said "Kyle dont trust his QB", fwiw

Kyle picks the QBs.. proceeds not to trust them..

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Well considering the results is 50/50 so far with 86 votes. Kyle and Jimmy are equally being "s**t on".

Edit: not to mention I've praised Jimmy for his game against the Falcons, Panthers, and Rams. But you can lie and say I didn't if that suits your "everyone's mean to Jimmy narrative" while ignoring half of the webzone thinks Kyle is as much to blame.

Just for argument's sake, I'll reiterate my first post: Jimmy's limitations are the big reason why this offense has been held back. Kyle has proven results elsewhere, Jimmy doesn't especially now the league has figured him out. Kyle has to work around these limitations to make things work.

These Jimmy hate complaints are dumb. We can easily say this thread is actually the opposite, and that this is a bashing thread outside of Kyle's thread.

Oh, the question I posted is incredibly simplistic and anyone with one molecule of objectivity can admit there's many factors as to why the offense has struggled, Jimmy and Kyle are just two factors into that equation.

I think the fact that we have essentially 3 rookies or first time starters on the OL + MM who's awful, multiple injuries to skill players, losing our starting QB + having to change our playbook/game plans, and costly penalties are all huge reasons for our offensive struggles.

What I find hilarious is that I posted a 100% unbiased question and yet some have called this a "Jimmy bashing thread" even though Kyle's been in the lead for votes a couple times already. Some have singled out Jimmy, some have singled out Kyle, and some have singled out both. But only the posters who defend Jimmy non stop have called this unbiased thread, biased.

Listen, I'm 100% in agreement with anyone who wants to shame the simplistic nature of my question. It's a stupid question. The real answer is way too complicated to blame one or the other. I'm just on vacation loving every minute this thread, exposing bias after bias after bias.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The poll phrased another way:

Who holds us back more?

1. KS
2. KS inability to find, develop, groom a FQB

The entire league outside of the Chiefs and Bills have a problem with #2.
Sean Payton straight up retired once Brees left, Hoodie is now at the bottom of the NFC East without TB12, Russel Wilson and Aaron Rodgers and Joe Burrow would be lucky to make the playoffs this year.

Playing QB in the NFL is hard.

On the bolded look at SEA, they developed Russ and got a ton out of him including all those draft picks and now Geno is doing very well. They seem to be doing great. MIA McD doing wonders with Tua. Chicago I see Fields developing week to week. In PHI, Hurts has taken off this year. Do you not see QBs developing around the league in other cities?

All those guys are one year wonders right now. If that's the standard then Jimmy has accomplished more than all of them… combined.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Jimmy played better than a vast majority of QBs this week in all reality. Guys like Hurts and put up less points against a mediocre team and a few other prominent QBs struggled as well. We turn those 3 fg into 1 or 2 TDs and this game was viewed completely differently.

The other side of this is look @ the guys he gets to throw to.

It's literally a collection of Pro Bowlers. Why should NOT be playing better than a vast majority of QBs?

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Jimmy played better than a vast majority of QBs this week in all reality. Guys like Hurts and put up less points against a mediocre team and a few other prominent QBs struggled as well. We turn those 3 fg into 1 or 2 TDs and this game was viewed completely differently.

And once AGAIN who's fault is that week in week out?

Not KS, he calls the play but he DOESN'T play on the field.

A coach or playcaller IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PLAYERS AVAILABLE UNDER HIS DISPOSAL, it's up to the players to make the play and make it what it is better or worse, even Jerry Rice is calling out AB to do better and more because Rice see AB with great potential and a higher ceiling, do you see ANYONE calling out Jimmy G to do better when EVERYONE knows Jimmy has already hit his ceiling ages ago and we ALL know his limitations, specifically his lack of arm strength and zero mobility which both limit and shorten the amount of time he has to make throws in the pocket when it's collapsing on passing attempts especially vs a good or great defense.

Jimmy G came back for a reason, to be the HIGHEST PAID BACKUP QB IN THE NFL (mind you, for his own pocket and NO ONE ELSE'S) to Trey because no one wanted to trade for him and he never was voted to a probowl because he already reached his ceiling ages ago because he has great limitations he will NEVER over come as a QB, specifically lack of mobility and great arm strength and he does make some rookie ass bonehead moves when under pressure and needing to carry the team and make comebacks in big games too which is why he choked in the SB and NFCC last season and how he has loss to Denver, ATL, and KC this season, even if Bill Walsh was calling plays, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE 🤣 AGAIN >>>> A coach or playcaller IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PLAYERS AVAILABLE UNDER HIS DISPOSAL.

Originally posted by GetSomeRouteRunners:
Is there anyone in this fan base besides me who realizes that the 49ers lack any receivers who can separate from man coverage with actual route running?

I realize football fans don't do logic well, so let me explain something to you that you don't seem to be aware of.

Your attitude reminds me of a poster a few years ago who thought he knew everything and believed that his purpose in life was to educate the ignorant masses.

He kept coming back so we kept banning him.

Read Rule #1 and be aware that others are entitled to their opinions.

50/50

So basically if we swapped QBs with KC, Pat would be an average QB and Jimmy would be all pro/MVP

Kyle picked Jimmy, then decided he cant be trusted to do things he used to do all the time

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
50/50

So basically if we swapped QBs with KC, Pat would be an average QB and Jimmy would be all pro/MVP

It's interesting that this comment was made because I literally just said, imo, Mahomes wouldn't maybe be quite the same Mahomes here.

He would still be great and maybe one of the league's best if not the league's best. But Kyle would almost assuredly still be run first and even with all the weapons Mahomes maybe wouldn't be putting up his crazy numbers at times.

But as I also said, obviously I, along with everyone, would take him. He would not be an "average QB" here.

I do think it would/will be interesting to see Jimmy go to a decent/good team with some good targets to throw to that is more pass first. Just to see what happens one way or the other.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
50/50

So basically if we swapped QBs with KC, Pat would be an average QB and Jimmy would be all pro/MVP

It's interesting that this comment was made because I literally just said, imo, Mahomes wouldn't maybe be quite the same Mahomes here.

He would still be great and maybe one of the league's best if not the league's best. But Kyle would almost assuredly still be run first and even with all the weapons Mahomes maybe wouldn't be putting up his crazy numbers at times.

But as I also said, obviously I, along with everyone, would take him. He would not be an "average QB" here.

I do think it would/will be interesting to see Jimmy go to a decent/good team with some good targets to throw to that is more pass first. Just to see what happens one way or the other.

Mahomes and Rodgers would be s**t under Nolan, but Jimmy G wouldn't be any better even under Bill Walsh but Alex Smith would be, that's the difference between a probowl QB with talent and a limited none probowl QB.
https://youtu.be/XJCW_mj-DYU

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Rodney Harrison just said "Kyle dont trust his QB", fwiw

Kyle picks the QBs.. proceeds not to trust them..

Um, he started with pretty much nothing, like Hoyer. The team looked to improve obviously, and the chance of Garoppolo for a 2nd was floated and snapped up. In due course, these things taking a little time, it was decided that he was not the man for the future, and a giant trade was arranged for Trey Lance. Right now thanks to injuries it is impossible to make a judgement on him.

So, the only quarterback that Shanahan might have picked and then didn't trust was Garoppolo, which is by no means what you said in your last line. And I don't know what you are expecting. He gave him a shot and he wasn't what was wanted. Then his replacement was injured and bringing Garoppolo back was the best option. I don't know how that reflects negatively on Shanahan which certainly appears to be the spin you are applying.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
50/50

So basically if we swapped QBs with KC, Pat would be an average QB and Jimmy would be all pro/MVP

Insane voting tbh, but it somewhat makes sense since we're on a winning streak and Jimmy has been looking surprisingly good lately. But not sure it's going to last. We'll probably blow a couple of games

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Jimmy played better than a vast majority of QBs this week in all reality. Guys like Hurts and put up less points against a mediocre team and a few other prominent QBs struggled as well. We turn those 3 fg into 1 or 2 TDs and this game was viewed completely differently.

And once AGAIN who's fault is that week in week out?

Not KS, he calls the play but he DOESN'T play on the field.

A coach or playcaller IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PLAYERS AVAILABLE UNDER HIS DISPOSAL, it's up to the players to make the play and make it what it is better or worse, even Jerry Rice is calling out AB to do better and more because Rice see AB with great potential and a higher ceiling, do you see ANYONE calling out Jimmy G to do better when EVERYONE knows Jimmy has already hit his ceiling ages ago and we ALL know his limitations, specifically his lack of arm strength and zero mobility which both limit and shorten the amount of time he has to make throws in the pocket when it's collapsing on passing attempts especially vs a good or great defense.

Jimmy G came back for a reason, to be the HIGHEST PAID BACKUP QB IN THE NFL (mind you, for his own pocket and NO ONE ELSE'S) to Trey because no one wanted to trade for him and he never was voted to a probowl because he already reached his ceiling ages ago because he has great limitations he will NEVER over come as a QB, specifically lack of mobility and great arm strength and he does make some rookie ass bonehead moves when under pressure and needing to carry the team and make comebacks in big games too which is why he choked in the SB and NFCC last season and how he has loss to Denver, ATL, and KC this season, even if Bill Walsh was calling plays, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE 🤣 AGAIN >>>> A coach or playcaller IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PLAYERS AVAILABLE UNDER HIS DISPOSAL.

So why does Shanny have such a dismal record without Jimmy?

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Jimmy played better than a vast majority of QBs this week in all reality. Guys like Hurts and put up less points against a mediocre team and a few other prominent QBs struggled as well. We turn those 3 fg into 1 or 2 TDs and this game was viewed completely differently.

And once AGAIN who's fault is that week in week out?

Not KS, he calls the play but he DOESN'T play on the field.

A coach or playcaller IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PLAYERS AVAILABLE UNDER HIS DISPOSAL, it's up to the players to make the play and make it what it is better or worse, even Jerry Rice is calling out AB to do better and more because Rice see AB with great potential and a higher ceiling, do you see ANYONE calling out Jimmy G to do better when EVERYONE knows Jimmy has already hit his ceiling ages ago and we ALL know his limitations, specifically his lack of arm strength and zero mobility which both limit and shorten the amount of time he has to make throws in the pocket when it's collapsing on passing attempts especially vs a good or great defense.

Jimmy G came back for a reason, to be the HIGHEST PAID BACKUP QB IN THE NFL (mind you, for his own pocket and NO ONE ELSE'S) to Trey because no one wanted to trade for him and he never was voted to a probowl because he already reached his ceiling ages ago because he has great limitations he will NEVER over come as a QB, specifically lack of mobility and great arm strength and he does make some rookie ass bonehead moves when under pressure and needing to carry the team and make comebacks in big games too which is why he choked in the SB and NFCC last season and how he has loss to Denver, ATL, and KC this season, even if Bill Walsh was calling plays, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE 🤣 AGAIN >>>> A coach or playcaller IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PLAYERS AVAILABLE UNDER HIS DISPOSAL.

So you agree that Jimmy played better than most QBs? Hell even this year total he's played better than 2/3 if not more than the league. I understand fans want a super star QB, I do too but people crapping on Jimmy for not being super star is on them, not on Jimmy. He's not a super star gunslinger and never will be. He's a good QB that's will keep you in games then often(not always)make a play(like the 8 minute drive and 3 third down conversions for the lead) when needed. To my point many QBs missed that chance and that's why they lost this weekend.