Who holds this offense back more?

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
So why does Shanny have such a dismal record without Jimmy?

You don't follow. Said it before, he was the best QB since KS became 49er HC (at 65 average and 72 at best rarely it doesn't mean much as ALL other 9er QB were 45-55 at best), but after the SB choke and especially the NFCC choke last season, KS and the 9ers are ready to move on and forward with Trey after letting Trey sit and mature for 1 year on the bench, Jimmy was only brought back as the backup, EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, apparently some people are still hiding under a rock or choose to be delusional to the facts.. too bad the ignore list is not unlimited..

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
So why does Shanny have such a dismal record without Jimmy?

You don't follow. Said it before, he was the best QB since KS became 49er HC (at 65 average and 72 at best rarely it doesn't mean much as ALL other 9er QB were 45-55 at best), but after the SB choke and especially the NFCC choke last season, KS and the 9ers are ready to move on and forward with Trey after letting Trey sit and mature for 1 year on the bench, Jimmy was only brought back as the backup, EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, apparently some people are still hiding under a rock or choose to be delusional to the facts.. too bad the ignore list is not unlimited..

I think you're being disingenuous about the backup thing and that there more to the story such as injuries that stopped the trade. If Jimmy stays healthy... That a big if... He will be brought in somewhere

As I said he's playing better than a lot of starters in this league right now. He's nowhere near top echelon, comparing him to Mahomes is absurd, but he's easily in the top 8-15 range.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
I think you're being disingenuous about the backup thing and that there more to the story such as injuries that stopped the trade. If Jimmy stays healthy... That a big if... He will be brought in somewhere

As I said he's playing better than a lot of starters in this league right now. He's nowhere near top echelon, comparing him to Mahomes is absurd, but he's easily in the top 8-15 range.

Bye, drop a less active miserable malcontent to mute you, less ridiculousness to see.
Jimmy G is not a probowler and never will be, move on and enjoy a team win and hope the TEAM can win a SB cause Jimmy aint carrying at QB1.
https://youtu.be/9Tg24wYguMo
https://youtu.be/XJCW_mj-DYU

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
I think you're being disingenuous about the backup thing and that there more to the story such as injuries that stopped the trade. If Jimmy stays healthy... That a big if... He will be brought in somewhere

As I said he's playing better than a lot of starters in this league right now. He's nowhere near top echelon, comparing him to Mahomes is absurd, but he's easily in the top 8-15 range.

Bye, drop a less active miserable malcontent to mute you, less ridiculousness to see.
Jimmy G is not a probowler and never will be, move on and enjoy a team win and hope the TEAM can win a SB cause Jimmy aint carrying at QB1.
https://youtu.be/9Tg24wYguMo
https://youtu.be/XJCW_mj-DYU

Ok?

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Rodney Harrison just said "Kyle dont trust his QB", fwiw

Kyle picks the QBs.. proceeds not to trust them..

Um, he started with pretty much nothing, like Hoyer. The team looked to improve obviously, and the chance of Garoppolo for a 2nd was floated and snapped up. In due course, these things taking a little time, it was decided that he was not the man for the future, and a giant trade was arranged for Trey Lance. Right now thanks to injuries it is impossible to make a judgement on him.

So, the only quarterback that Shanahan might have picked and then didn't trust was Garoppolo, which is by no means what you said in your last line. And I don't know what you are expecting. He gave him a shot and he wasn't what was wanted. Then his replacement was injured and bringing Garoppolo back was the best option. I don't know how that reflects negatively on Shanahan which certainly appears to be the spin you are applying.

English, the most tired thing on here imo is ppl saying KS can't get aggressive or go for it on 4th (I hear this endlessly) cuz of JG. Can't throw downfield cuz of JG.

Have to ask yourself, where did JG come from? He didn't pick himself or roster himself. Kyle picks the offensive guys. Could have had Brady, Mahomes, Hurts, if KS wanted it and had the foresight / wisdom to make that type of move. All KS has done is draft Beathard, Lance, Purdy, and maintain status quo with JG. If you don't like JG realize that's on the guy who sets the roster on offense which is KS I am told JL defers in large part of offense to KS.

In 6 years at the games most important position... the best KS can do is JG. That's a KS problem, if you don't like JG. Not a JG problem. If you want JG gone, KS needs to pick or find someone better.

If KS doesn't trust JG then it means he doesnt trust his own ability to develop or find talent at the position.. and frankly at this point neither do I

Kyle is the real QB here. Kyle runs this b***h...it all starts and ends with him as the offensive GM, OC and HC.

If there is any limitations, he's done it to himself. Period.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
English, the most tired thing on here imo is ppl saying KS can't get aggressive or go for it on 4th (I hear this endlessly) cuz of JG. Can't throw downfield cuz of JG.

Have to ask yourself, where did JG come from? He didn't pick himself or roster himself. Kyle picks the offensive guys. Could have had Brady, Mahomes, Hurts, if KS wanted it and had the foresight / wisdom to make that type of move. All KS has done is draft Beathard, Lance, Purdy, and maintain status quo with JG. If you don't like JG realize that's on the guy who sets the roster on offense which is KS I am told JL defers in large part of offense to KS.

In 6 years at the games most important position... the best KS can do is JG. That's a KS problem, if you don't like JG. Not a JG problem. If you want JG gone, KS needs to pick or find someone better.

Kyle the GM has always been s**t, and no one ever doubted that. He still drafts running backs in the 3rd round and gadget players like Jalen Hurd. No one wants to hold him accountable because they're too scared. Thats always been the problem when they hired JL and he had no experience. Kyle feels like he has to do everything, including scouting.

Still, as a play designer and an offense coordinator, he's probably above average. Thats why hes still respected and fans are hesitant to put the blame on him. Also this doesn't change anything about JG. A guy that the rest of the league doesn't even want because they probably know that JG is only propped up here because of the supporting talent around him. He'd be a disaster in Carolina

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the real QB here. Kyle runs this b***h...it all starts and ends with him as the offensive GM, OC and HC.

If there is any limitations, he's done it to himself. Period.

LMAO.. Again KS DOES NOT PLAY ON THE FIELD 🤣
Enjoy a Good Team win and hope the TEAM can go deep into the play offs and win a SB cause we ALL know Jimmy G ain't carrying at QB1 and that's already a proven FACT 🤣

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If KS doesn't trust JG then it means he doesnt trust his own ability to develop or find talent at the position.. and frankly at this point neither do I

shoots if only we made the SB and NFCG int he two full seasons with Jimmy G

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the real QB here. Kyle runs this b***h...it all starts and ends with him as the offensive GM, OC and HC.

If there is any limitations, he's done it to himself. Period.

we are top 5 in yards/game since CMC came here still top 6 in season in yards/play. We have the 3rd least 3 and out in NFL

We are moving the ball better than almost all teams in the league.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the real QB here. Kyle runs this b***h...it all starts and ends with him as the offensive GM, OC and HC.

If there is any limitations, he's done it to himself. Period.

LMAO.. Again KS DOES NOT PLAY ON THE FIELD 🤣
Enjoy a Good Team win and hope the TEAM can go deep into the play offs and win a SB cause we ALL know Jimmy G ain't carrying at QB1 and that's already a proven FACT 🤣

You can shift to any QB you want under Kyle. At the end of the day, Kyle picked him and rides with him. By default, Kyle is his own limitation. If you wanna pivot to "execution" that too is on him esp. after 6 years. If you want to pivot to other issues such annual penalties, drops, injuries, special teams, etc. that's on him. If you want to reference the players for shooting-yourself-in-the-foot each week, that culture is also on Kyle. All of these issues have been here no matter the "QB" you're trying to pivot too.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the real QB here. Kyle runs this b***h...it all starts and ends with him as the offensive GM, OC and HC.

If there is any limitations, he's done it to himself. Period.

we are top 5 in yards/game since CMC came here still top 6 in season in yards/play. We have the 3rd least 3 and out in NFL

We are moving the ball better than almost all teams in the league.

But we've fallen off a cliff in the RZ. That's where he and McDaniels feasted last year. If you don't finish, it's just yards. Jimmy continues to be a top efficient QB even within a run-centric offense. He's thrown outside the hashes, thrown deep, limited TO's, etc. He isn't "limiting" anything this year. Quite the opposite actually.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is the real QB here. Kyle runs this b***h...it all starts and ends with him as the offensive GM, OC and HC.

If there is any limitations, he's done it to himself. Period.

I like how you said period. Welp guess this discussion is over

Peeople here are crazy so over emotional i feel like rational has left the building

i swear i think people watch highlights of other teams then just watch the whole game for us. We are top 5-6 in 3rd down conversion %, one of the most yards/drive, yards/play, TOP %

by most metrics we are a top 5 offense right now and we are complaining?

the one thing we have to fix is red zone TD% which we are in the middle of the league which i think will get better with the addition of CMC