Who holds this offense back more?

I wish there were more options... like 80% Jimmy, 20% Kyle.

Kyle constantly gets people open for Jimmy for big plays, which Jimmy usually misses to hit them in stride or sometimes outright misses them. He finally hit McCloud in stride and it looked so nice. Off schedule, but still more of that accuracy please.

That being said, Kyle game time decision making is just..is just frustrating. Then he coaches scared and worried about what others will say...or has pre-planned reasons/excuses for his decisions to the media after a game. Like "Well if I did this, then you guys would say that" kind of mentality. I can't remember Harbaugh giving a living f**k what the media thinks or might say.

My issue this past game was when it was obvious the Chargers were selling out on the run at the goal line... Kyle kept on running it. When he should have PA pass in one of those early downs. Who cares if we made them use up all of their timeouts. We could have took a 10pt lead.. they would have had to go score a TD, and then recover an onside kick.

I wouldn't have blamed Kyle if Jimmy missed a pass or if Jimmy threw a stupid INT. The scenario called for us to get an easy TD. Put the game away. Instead we gave them the ball back with 1min to go with no timeouts.... but a TD from them, would have won them the game.

He said he wanted them to use all of their timeouts. QBs like Mac Jones or Kirk Cousins, sure... big arm talents like Herber, Mahomes, and Josh Allen? Na.. put them away next time.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

🔘 Drafting Solomon Thomas instead of Mahomes in 2017

/thread

Option C McGlinchey

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
🔘 Drafting Solomon Thomas instead of Mahomes in 2017

/thread

I was about to come in here and say it has to be the future 1st ballot Hall of Famer, and one of the greatest LT in the history of the game, Trent Williams. I wanted to help satisfy the blood lust some 49ers fans had yesterday to blame someone since Jimmy is making it hard for the haters this season.

Of course not drafting Patrick Mahomes always hurts when mentioned. If we had Mahomes not only would our roster be different, so would the rest of the league as we currently know it.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The fact that this is even close is telling.

The only people it's telling anything about are the fans. If anyone thinks KS would be unemployed for more than 1/2 second, should we move on, is fooling themselves. Whereas finding someone who wants JG has already proved to be a monumental challenge.

True. There's always a team who could use an OC.

Why would they hire him as an OC if (apparently) his system sucks and so does his playcalling?

He doesn't suck nor does his system. It has been studied to no end and DC's have worked hard to counter it and have had success recently even the pass-centric versions. So much so Kyle himself has moved from OZ to IZ/power and drafted a QB who also can rush inside and who's more mobile.

He's a slightly above average OC and a below average HC.

If he was rehired elsewhere as a HC he'd probably be stripped of all GM power and asked to split OC time with more HCing focus.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

So he doesn't get credit for dialing up a TD pass to Aiyuk that he drops. Okay cool good to know.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

I guess Kyle should have completely taken CMC out of the backfield because Mitchell and Deebo averaged 5.9 YPC against the LAC.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

I guess Kyle should have completely taken CMC out of the backfield because Mitchell and Deebo averaged 5.9 YPC against the LAC.

Nah. Nothing wrong with trying him but once he saw how Staley was playing him, switch him more to the slot or designed outlets or outside to run inside. Staley was keyed in on CMC. Watch how the defense reacted to him in the passing game.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

So he doesn't get credit for dialing up a TD pass to Aiyuk that he drops. Okay cool good to know.

I wouldn't say calling the same play that got your QB an INT two games ago, "great." But I'm not NY so...

I'd give more credit to Jimmy/Aiyuk executing/not executing.