Who holds this offense back more?

Like or Dislike? I like Jimmy, not so much Kyle.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

So he doesn't get credit for dialing up a TD pass to Aiyuk that he drops. Okay cool good to know.

I wouldn't say calling the same play that got your QB an INT two games ago, "great." But I'm not NY so...

I'd give more credit to Jimmy/Aiyuk executing/not executing.

It's a very common play in the NFL. So we shouldn't run it cause Jimmy tried to YOLO it once? s**t Aiyuk fumbled trying to get YAC guess he shouldn't do that anymore. Crazy how you want to give Jimmy and Aiyuk credit if the play was complete but now the blame is on Kyle for s**t calls. You should not be taken seriously by anyone on here.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

I guess Kyle should have completely taken CMC out of the backfield because Mitchell and Deebo averaged 5.9 YPC against the LAC.

Nah. Nothing wrong with trying him but once he saw how Staley was playing him, switch him more to the slot or designed outlets or outside to run inside. Staley was keyed in on CMC. Watch how the defense reacted to him in the passing game.

Exactly! CMC is a receiving threat out of the backfield and can dictate how defenses react to him in the passing game which gives the OC an advantage. But you also cannot tip your hand by refusing to hand the ball off to him because he is having a subpar game rushing. So even though CMC wasn't having a good game rushing, he was still helping the QB out in the passing game. You cannot have it both ways. Either CMC should have been sidelined due to his inability to rush the ball in this particular game or you keep him in because of what he does for the passing game. You just cannot make him 1 dimensional or else it loses its affectiveness.

Blaming Kyle for a lack of production in the run game because of CMC and then turn around praising CMC for what he opened up in the passing game is like talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
🔘 Drafting Solomon Thomas instead of Mahomes in 2017

/thread

Mahomes could have been drafted by the Bears, Browns,Jaguars, Titans, Jets, Chargers, Panthers, Bengals, as well but that didn't happen. Bears even TRADED UP to get Mitch Trisbiscuits.

That ''Air Raid,'' college offense scared off alot of NFL coaches.

it's like me asking you ,''who is the next SURE FIRE HOF QB in next years draft?''

You do not know . Hindsight .

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

So he doesn't get credit for dialing up a TD pass to Aiyuk that he drops. Okay cool good to know.

I wouldn't say calling the same play that got your QB an INT two games ago, "great." But I'm not NY so...

I'd give more credit to Jimmy/Aiyuk executing/not executing.

It's a very common play in the NFL. So we shouldn't run it cause Jimmy tried to YOLO it once? s**t Aiyuk fumbled trying to get YAC guess he shouldn't do that anymore. Crazy how you want to give Jimmy and Aiyuk credit if the play was complete but now the blame is on Kyle for s**t calls. You should not be taken seriously by anyone on here.

Well, we're 0-2 now, so maybe another play would be better? But what do I know. We've been stellar in the RZ just like last year.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

I guess Kyle should have completely taken CMC out of the backfield because Mitchell and Deebo averaged 5.9 YPC against the LAC.

Nah. Nothing wrong with trying him but once he saw how Staley was playing him, switch him more to the slot or designed outlets or outside to run inside. Staley was keyed in on CMC. Watch how the defense reacted to him in the passing game.

Exactly! CMC is a receiving threat out of the backfield and can dictate how defenses react to him in the passing game which gives the OC an advantage. But you also cannot tip your hand by refusing to hand the ball off to him because he is having a subpar game rushing. So even though CMC wasn't having a good game rushing, he was still helping the QB out in the passing game. You cannot have it both ways. Either CMC should have been sidelined due to his inability to rush the ball in this particular game or you keep him in because of what he does for the passing game. You just cannot make him 1 dimensional or else it loses its affectiveness.

Blaming Kyle for a lack of production in the run game because of CMC and then turn around praising CMC for what he opened up in the passing game is like talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Agreed. My only concern was WHEN he wasn't as effective rushing after a few attempts, that's when you pivot to the chess match in the passing game. Then come back to it later after you soften them up. Not just beat a dead horse expecting a different outcome which never came.

Kyimmy Shanoppolo is the correct answer

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

I guess Kyle should have completely taken CMC out of the backfield because Mitchell and Deebo averaged 5.9 YPC against the LAC.

Nah. Nothing wrong with trying him but once he saw how Staley was playing him, switch him more to the slot or designed outlets or outside to run inside. Staley was keyed in on CMC. Watch how the defense reacted to him in the passing game.

Exactly! CMC is a receiving threat out of the backfield and can dictate how defenses react to him in the passing game which gives the OC an advantage. But you also cannot tip your hand by refusing to hand the ball off to him because he is having a subpar game rushing. So even though CMC wasn't having a good game rushing, he was still helping the QB out in the passing game. You cannot have it both ways. Either CMC should have been sidelined due to his inability to rush the ball in this particular game or you keep him in because of what he does for the passing game. You just cannot make him 1 dimensional or else it loses its affectiveness.

Blaming Kyle for a lack of production in the run game because of CMC and then turn around praising CMC for what he opened up in the passing game is like talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Agreed. My only concern was WHEN he wasn't as effective rushing after a few attempts, that's when you pivot to the chess match in the passing game. Then come back to it later after you soften them up. Not just beat a dead horse expecting a different outcome which never came.

It was enough to get that dub. Besides, the fumble and the dropped TD had more of impact on the score board than CMC's 2.7 YPC.

Kyle has become Captain Obvious. His play calling is so predictable that even fans watching the games on tv can call what's about to come. sorry, nothing "innovative" about that. And you'd think the offensive genius could gameplan around his QB's deficiencies and still make the offense look spectacular. But nope….Kyle has to go

Originally posted by DrEll:
Kyle has become Captain Obvious. His play calling is so predictable that even fans watching the games on tv can call what's about to come. sorry, nothing "innovative" about that. And you'd think the offensive genius could gameplan around his QB's deficiencies and still make the offense look spectacular. But nope….Kyle has to go

Yet it still was good enough to score 30 points if the players just executed their part.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Kyle has become Captain Obvious. His play calling is so predictable that even fans watching the games on tv can call what's about to come. sorry, nothing "innovative" about that. And you'd think the offensive genius could gameplan around his QB's deficiencies and still make the offense look spectacular. But nope….Kyle has to go

yeah lets get rid of the guy who led the niners to consecutive playoffs and a got damn super bowl. Are you a seahawk fan or something?It's a pass defensive league right now because of Tyreek, Mahomes, Josh Allen, etc.
Kyle's offense isn't ''Air Raid.'' It's run heavy.
Running the ball is so crucial to winning a game. You tire out the opposing defenses, and it keeps the opposing offense off the field.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Kyimmy Shanoppolo is the correct answer

The key numbers to Kyle/Jimmy's 70+ win %. Less than 30 pass attempts and 100+ rushing yards.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Well, most of us do anyways. He's a great f**king HC.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Well, most of us do anyways. He's a great f**king HC.

Damn straight