Who holds this offense back more?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

I guess Kyle should have completely taken CMC out of the backfield because Mitchell and Deebo averaged 5.9 YPC against the LAC.

Nah. Nothing wrong with trying him but once he saw how Staley was playing him, switch him more to the slot or designed outlets or outside to run inside. Staley was keyed in on CMC. Watch how the defense reacted to him in the passing game.

Exactly! CMC is a receiving threat out of the backfield and can dictate how defenses react to him in the passing game which gives the OC an advantage. But you also cannot tip your hand by refusing to hand the ball off to him because he is having a subpar game rushing. So even though CMC wasn't having a good game rushing, he was still helping the QB out in the passing game. You cannot have it both ways. Either CMC should have been sidelined due to his inability to rush the ball in this particular game or you keep him in because of what he does for the passing game. You just cannot make him 1 dimensional or else it loses its affectiveness.

Blaming Kyle for a lack of production in the run game because of CMC and then turn around praising CMC for what he opened up in the passing game is like talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Agreed. My only concern was WHEN he wasn't as effective rushing after a few attempts, that's when you pivot to the chess match in the passing game. Then come back to it later after you soften them up. Not just beat a dead horse expecting a different outcome which never came.

It was enough to get that dub. Besides, the fumble and the dropped TD had more of impact on the score board than CMC's 2.7 YPC.

Like I said before, if we can get a W going that vanilla and conservative, that's a testament to the personnel too (minus the costly execution issues).

We'll get there.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Well, most of us do anyways. He's a great f**king HC.

Damn straight

"Great."

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

Kyle isn't perfect, but no HC is. Make no mistake though, this locker room has his back 1000%, and I am extremely confident that if we let him go he would go on to contend for a Super Bowl with another team like his dad did. It would be a mistake, we would regret it, and the crying in here would be as loud as ever.

Some people seriously take for granted and/or truly don't recognize what we have.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

This needs to stop. Kyle the YOLO OC in 2016 where he doesn't need to care about defense, special teams, head coaching, GMing and injuries (strength and conditioning), is vastly different as a HC no matter the QB he picks and plays with. He's never going to be YOLO again. That's not him. After 6 years, like Jimmy, we know exactly who he is as a HEAD COACH.

Lol this dude. Good comedic relief

2 off seasons to groom his own hand picked QB. Comes out running him like a FB and runs even more. 2 weeks to prepare for a DC he knows with more talent and health than he's had his entire career. Comes out running 41 times.

At some point (year 7?), you'll need to recognize who Kyle is as a...Head Coach.

Chargers are weak against the run. We ran it 41 times. I know you may struggle with that concept but it makes sense. It's entirely possible Kyle and John took the wrong QB. Wouldn't be the first time they f**ked up a 1st round pick. Doesn't change anything in my book he's an elite HC

Kyle just saw how their HC/DC stuffed our run in the NFCCG...<2.5ypc. It cost us the game. He just kept him to 3 8ypc. Had his top 2 DT's not gone down its probably even less. The point, it wasn't hard to plan for this with two weeks off and even less hard to adjust once he saw it...again.

I'm only referencing the QB because it highlights even more who he really is...as a HC.

He's not this guy anymore esp. as a grown-man HC.



He runs this now.

I guess Kyle should have completely taken CMC out of the backfield because Mitchell and Deebo averaged 5.9 YPC against the LAC.

Nah. Nothing wrong with trying him but once he saw how Staley was playing him, switch him more to the slot or designed outlets or outside to run inside. Staley was keyed in on CMC. Watch how the defense reacted to him in the passing game.

Exactly! CMC is a receiving threat out of the backfield and can dictate how defenses react to him in the passing game which gives the OC an advantage. But you also cannot tip your hand by refusing to hand the ball off to him because he is having a subpar game rushing. So even though CMC wasn't having a good game rushing, he was still helping the QB out in the passing game. You cannot have it both ways. Either CMC should have been sidelined due to his inability to rush the ball in this particular game or you keep him in because of what he does for the passing game. You just cannot make him 1 dimensional or else it loses its affectiveness.

Blaming Kyle for a lack of production in the run game because of CMC and then turn around praising CMC for what he opened up in the passing game is like talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Agreed. My only concern was WHEN he wasn't as effective rushing after a few attempts, that's when you pivot to the chess match in the passing game. Then come back to it later after you soften them up. Not just beat a dead horse expecting a different outcome which never came.

It was enough to get that dub. Besides, the fumble and the dropped TD had more of impact on the score board than CMC's 2.7 YPC.

Like I said before, if we can get a W going that vanilla and conservative, that's a testament to the personnel too (minus the costly execution issues).

We'll get there.

Like I said before, the success of this team relies on Jimmy passing the ball less than 30 times a game and the rushing offense gaining 100+ yards. Call it vanilla or whatever you want. Kyle knows the winning formula with Jimmy at QB. The only time they lose is when the run game gets stuffed and Jimmy is forced to be more than a game manager.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

Even if every word of this.. and you say JG.. realize or ask yourself.. who has the job of selecting the QB, making a move for a QB, building the offensive roster over years of drafting, trading, free agency.. it's KS.

This is the best KS can do in 6 years folks.. JG. I don't blame JG for being who he is. He's done quite well for himself in the league, made over $100+ million, he's set for life has some rings and great experiences in pro football. I don't have delusions he will transform himself to Mahomes / Allen as he continues into his 30s. Up to KS to get someone better!

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

Kyle isn't perfect, but no HC is. Make no mistake though, this locker room has his back 1000%, and I am extremely confident that if we let him go he would go on to contend for a Super Bowl with another team like his dad did. It would be a mistake, we would regret it, and the crying in here would be as loud as ever.

Some people seriously take for granted and/or truly don't recognize what we have.

Yeah, the extreme of wanting him gone? I think there's only a small handful of those that are already there.

As to the HCing stuff, you're going to see that next year too with Trey. That's my biggest concern.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
It's a very common play in the NFL. So we shouldn't run it cause Jimmy tried to YOLO it once? s**t Aiyuk fumbled trying to get YAC guess he shouldn't do that anymore. Crazy how you want to give Jimmy and Aiyuk credit if the play was complete but now the blame is on Kyle for s**t calls. You should not be taken seriously by anyone on here.

Is he saying Staley was the rams DC last year?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
It's a very common play in the NFL. So we shouldn't run it cause Jimmy tried to YOLO it once? s**t Aiyuk fumbled trying to get YAC guess he shouldn't do that anymore. Crazy how you want to give Jimmy and Aiyuk credit if the play was complete but now the blame is on Kyle for s**t calls. You should not be taken seriously by anyone on here.

Is he saying Staley was the rams DC last year?

He's saying he's boarded the "blame Kyle for everything bus" riding shotgun with Jose and 9moon driving.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
It's a very common play in the NFL. So we shouldn't run it cause Jimmy tried to YOLO it once? s**t Aiyuk fumbled trying to get YAC guess he shouldn't do that anymore. Crazy how you want to give Jimmy and Aiyuk credit if the play was complete but now the blame is on Kyle for s**t calls. You should not be taken seriously by anyone on here.

Is he saying Staley was the rams DC last year?

He's saying he's boarded the "blame Kyle for everything bus" riding shotgun with Jose and 9moon driving.

Too funny

Funny how after the Rams win everyone was raving about the offense, but after the Chargers win it's time to fire Shanny for being conservative, ohhh webzone, lol.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
My issue this past game was when it was obvious the Chargers were selling out on the run at the goal line... Kyle kept on running it. When he should have PA pass in one of those early downs. Who cares if we made them use up all of their timeouts. We could have took a 10pt lead.. they would have had to go score a TD, and then recover an onside kick.

I wouldn't have blamed Kyle if Jimmy missed a pass or if Jimmy threw a stupid INT. The scenario called for us to get an easy TD. Put the game away. Instead we gave them the ball back with 1min to go with no timeouts.... but a TD from them, would have won them the game.

Many, many, MANY would have.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Jimmy. And it ain't even close. See the Falcons offense of 2016 and you will see what Kyle can do with a better QB.

This. It's obvious. The only difference between us and other teams with weapons is that our quarterback simply isn't as good.

Don't get me wrong, Jimmy is a solid quarterback, but we all know he has a multitude of deficiencies.

He can't consistently extend plays and has a history of making WTF throws when he has to make plays off schedule. He takes a lot of headscratching sacks he could easily avoid by throwing the ball away. He seems to often visually miss guys running wide open deep down the field. Throws outside the numbers aren't a strength, nor is the deep ball, nor is he much of a threat to run.

Kyle does what he can to cater to what Jimmy can do, and there's no question our offense could look a LOT worse if he tried to run the stuff Jimmy sucks at, and you best believe people would be ripping him and Jimmy much more than they are now.

Right now, plain and simple, we just haven't made a ton of plays in the red zone nor have we forced a lot of turnovers for a short field lately.

Every word of this.

Even if every word of this.. and you say JG.. realize or ask yourself.. who has the job of selecting the QB, making a move for a QB, building the offensive roster over years of drafting, trading, free agency.. it's KS.

This is the best KS can do in 6 years folks.. JG. I don't blame JG for being who he is. He's done quite well for himself in the league, made over $100+ million, he's set for life has some rings and great experiences in pro football. I don't have delusions he will transform himself to Mahomes / Allen as he continues into his 30s. Up to KS to get someone better!

Yeah, but it's not the best he can do in 6 years. The QB he picked is injured. Oh wait, that's Kyles fault too.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Funny how after the Rams win everyone was raving about the offense, but after the Chargers win it's time to fire Shanny for being conservative, ohhh webzone, lol.

There's only two modes here. You're either discussing plans for attending the Super Bowl parade or you're calling for everyone to be fired.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
It's a very common play in the NFL. So we shouldn't run it cause Jimmy tried to YOLO it once? s**t Aiyuk fumbled trying to get YAC guess he shouldn't do that anymore. Crazy how you want to give Jimmy and Aiyuk credit if the play was complete but now the blame is on Kyle for s**t calls. You should not be taken seriously by anyone on here.

Is he saying Staley was the rams DC last year?

He's saying he's boarded the "blame Kyle for everything bus" riding shotgun with Jose and 9moon driving.

Nah, just the do-better mantra. Same as the do-better for Jimmy, McGlinchey, Ward, etc. Same standards.

Lots of issues with Kyle the HC this year and his play calling has also dropped off in a year we can't blame it all on the backup QB.

If that hurts to consider Kyle might not be having his best year (so far), sorry...but lots of concerning trends from slow starts, penalties, drops, predictable play calling, RZ issues suddenly, usual bottom in injuries, late adjustments, getting the least out of the most, etc.

But hey, if you want to ignore all of that, that's cool with me. I call all the issues out...want to win a Superbowl. And this isn't the way.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
It's a very common play in the NFL. So we shouldn't run it cause Jimmy tried to YOLO it once? s**t Aiyuk fumbled trying to get YAC guess he shouldn't do that anymore. Crazy how you want to give Jimmy and Aiyuk credit if the play was complete but now the blame is on Kyle for s**t calls. You should not be taken seriously by anyone on here.

Is he saying Staley was the rams DC last year?

He's saying he's boarded the "blame Kyle for everything bus" riding shotgun with Jose and 9moon driving.

Nah, just the do-better mantra. Same as the do-better for Jimmy, McGlinchey, Ward, etc. Same standards.

Lots of issues with Kyle the HC this year and his play calling has also dropped off in a year we can't blame it all on the backup QB.

Did you really think Staley was the rams DC last year?