Who holds this offense back more?

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
I think we're playing fine and I really don't understand the finger pointing.. Obviously I'm not sitting here saying we played overly spectacular but we are moving the ball well we just are not executing and finishing drives and leaving too many points off the old board ....Or we just do soothing stupid to end drives. .

This drive won us the game. It started at 14:52 and ended at 7:54. Some really key third downs here that many good QBs around the league failed to do today.

Unfortunately the inability to finish is not a new problem. It's more of a concerning pattern that people want answers for because we have almost no chance of going on a playoff run without it costing us at some point.

How people are justifying a barely squeaked out win against the second string chargers is insane to me. This offensive performance should have lost the game. And it's because kyle decided he was gonna run the ball 90 times before the game started and did nothing to derail from that.

where is kittle on a seam? Where is Samuel besides a badly failing, obvious backfield decoy now?

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Trick question in that KS has roster control so even if you say JG you are saying KS cuz it's his hand picked QB.. the poll is therefore 100% KS

When you are starting the backup QB by definition he is not "hand picked".

The overuse of that term on this board is hilarious.

Let's go back to when he actively blew up his other qbs ankle by giving an inexperienced passer power run options on every play, forcing him to run up the gut like Tom Rathman.

people can't be this blind to see that this offense has talent that is arguably the best on paper and he has them 20th in the league

Today, we held the ball for 37 minutes, had 387 yards of total offense (the 3rd and 4th ranked offenses in the league average 391 yards per game), and converted 9 of 17 on third down. That's still a pretty productive day. Had Aiyuk not dropped a TD pass after obliterating his defender with a beautiful route (and fumbled in our own territory), this game could've had a prettier point differential.

I understand the concern that our offense isn't blowing people out with the talent we have, but I'm not too worried… YET. Shanahan's offenses with the 49ers historically seem to get better as the season goes on. I expect that to be the case this year as well. Today's effort alone will beat lesser teams and get us into the playoffs. But if we want to really be a force on offense, we need to show we can hit more explosive catch and run plays in the passing game. If we can do that, I'll be very excited to see what this offense is by the end of the season.

It feels like we experimented with RPO's to Deebo/CMC. I think they'll work and we actually hit a couple nice plays with them. Still a work-in-progress, but I see the routes they're exploring in expanding the offense.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Trick question in that KS has roster control so even if you say JG you are saying KS cuz it's his hand picked QB.. the poll is therefore 100% KS

When you are starting the backup QB by definition he is not "hand picked".

The overuse of that term on this board is hilarious.

Hand picked in that yes it's a known team setup that JL defers on offensive guys to KS. JG wouldn't be here if KS didn't want it.

You may say he's a backup to TL.. who is totally unproven.. but recall JG was brought in as starter.. paid $137 mil..

Which is it did KS not develop JG, or did he get JG injured, or did he pick the wrong guy and shouldn't have gotten JG to begin with? Whichever it is it's on KS. We could have had Hurts, Allen, Brady, Mahomes, KS chose JG and TL over those guys, that is the reality.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Trick question in that KS has roster control so even if you say JG you are saying KS cuz it's his hand picked QB.. the poll is therefore 100% KS

When you are starting the backup QB by definition he is not "hand picked".

The overuse of that term on this board is hilarious.

Let's go back to when he actively blew up his other qbs ankle by giving an inexperienced passer power run options on every play, forcing him to run up the gut like Tom Rathman.

people can't be this blind to see that this offense has talent that is arguably the best on paper and he has them 20th in the league

Shanahan also forgot that Kittle is on the team and he took out CMC on a key 3rd and goal.

The none probowl QB with known limitations who was suppose to be gone this year who came back to be the highest paid backup QB who has already choked a SB and the NFCC last season.

Have you been watching 49er football since KS has been hired as HC? Why did they trade away a bunch of 1st rd picks to draft Trey? What rock have you been living under? 🤣

The malcontent of this forum is beyond ridiculous even over a good team win.. sure they can be better at certain things like inaccurate passes, miss blocks, pass protection, drop passes, fumbles, defending passes and tackling and getting sacks, but a win over a 5-3 team is a good win especially with a 68 QB like Jimmy tonight, on to the next game. Malcontents should hope the team stay healthy and get even better and consistent more than anything.

Originally posted by captveg:
Jimmy G.

His limitations are, well, limiting. And because Shanny has RB playmakers and a solid defense he limits Jimmy G even more.

This is painfully obvious. The NBC post-game show just spent 15 minutes saying exactly this. Everyone in the league knows it.

Exactly... the malcontents obviously are blind, clueless or living under a rock since KS became HC 🤣

Move on already 🤣

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Trick question in that KS has roster control so even if you say JG you are saying KS cuz it's his hand picked QB.. the poll is therefore 100% KS

When you are starting the backup QB by definition he is not "hand picked".

The overuse of that term on this board is hilarious.

Hand picked in that yes it's a known team setup that JL defers on offensive guys to KS. JG wouldn't be here if KS didn't want it.

You may say he's a backup to TL.. who is totally unproven.. but recall JG was brought in as starter.. paid $137 mil..

Which is it did KS not develop JG, or did he get JG injured, or did he pick the wrong guy and shouldn't have gotten JG to begin with? Whichever it is it's on KS. We could have had Hurts, Allen, Brady, Mahomes, KS chose JG and TL over those guys, that is the reality.

JG was brought in as a starter in 2017, given that contract in 2018, had his replacement drafted in 2021, and was formally replaced this offseason in 2022. Lie to yourself all you want, but this idea of considering what happened in 2017-2018 a referendum on Kyle's preference in 2022 is b******t.

He chose Trey Lance over JG and the 2021-2022 available QBs, none of which were Hurts, Allen, Brady or Mahomes.

Hurts is actually the reason you should give Lance an actual chance. He had 19 starts before this year and it was still iffy on how good he would be.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Today, we held the ball for 37 minutes, had 387 yards of total offense (the 3rd and 4th ranked offenses in the league average 391 yards per game), and converted 9 of 17 on third down. That's still a pretty productive day. Had Aiyuk not dropped a TD pass after obliterating his defender with a beautiful route (and fumbled in our own territory), this game could've had a prettier point differential.

I understand the concern that our offense isn't blowing people out with the talent we have, but I'm not too worried… YET. Shanahan's offenses with the 49ers historically seem to get better as the season goes on. I expect that to be the case this year as well. Today's effort alone will beat lesser teams and get us into the playoffs. But if we want to really be a force on offense, we need to show we can hit more explosive catch and run plays in the passing game. If we can do that, I'll be very excited to see what this offense is by the end of the season.

It feels like we experimented with RPO's to Deebo/CMC. I think they'll work and we actually hit a couple nice plays with them. Still a work-in-progress, but I see the routes they're exploring in expanding the offense.

The fact that you're content with what was a terri

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by captveg:
Jimmy G.

His limitations are, well, limiting. And because Shanny has RB playmakers and a solid defense he limits Jimmy G even more.

This is painfully obvious. The NBC post-game show just spent 15 minutes saying exactly this. Everyone in the league knows it.

Exactly... the malcontents obviously are blind, clueless or living under a rock since KS became HC 🤣

Move on already 🤣

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by captveg:
Jimmy G.

His limitations are, well, limiting. And because Shanny has RB playmakers and a solid defense he limits Jimmy G even more.

This is painfully obvious. The NBC post-game show just spent 15 minutes saying exactly this. Everyone in the league knows it.

Exactly... the malcontents obviously are blind, clueless or living under a rock since KS became HC 🤣

Move on already 🤣

Yeah this is all garoppolo's fault. Shanahan's biggest accomplishment is making people think that; and yet, he doesn't win without him. Not saying jimmy is a great by any means but man he's not nearly as bad as people think and he's far less the problem than shanny

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
The fact that you're content with what was a terri

Yeah this is all garoppolo's fault. Shanahan's biggest accomplishment is making people think that; and yet, he doesn't win without him. Not saying jimmy is a great by any means but man he's not nearly as bad as people think and he's far less the problem than shanny

Best QB so far under KS (but doesn't mean much at a average of 65 and tonight's performance maybe a 68) since he became 9er HC, until he's gone next year and Trey finally gets some experience, it is what it is.

KS ain't going no where regardless what malcontents there might be, Jed York ain't replacing KS anytime soon or is displeased, I'm sure, too bad for the clueless malcontents of the "fan base" 🤣

BTW, dont forget, Jimmy was going to be replaced this season, he only came back because no other team wanted to trade for him so they made him the highest paid backup QB. He's lucky because this is his last chance to go deep into the playoffs and possibly win a SB IF HE CAN STAY CONSISTENT and even better play at a 72 or above at QB 😉

thats a great question.. I think Its a combination of both. Jimmy G's abilities limit Kyle's play calling.

Its a combination of the two.

Jimmy Is very limited by what he can and can't do, whilst Kyle can be too predictable and conservative, as we as making odd decision, like leaving McCaffrey and Juice out on that 3rd down play towards the end when we desperately needed a touchdown, only for Kyle to have no balls and settle for the field goal.

They both feed off each other. Idleness is fatal only to the mediocre. And both these guys exemplify mediocrity at its finest. They restrict a stacked offensive unit and it will cost us dearly when it counts. They both need to leave.

Originally posted by DrEll:
They both feed off each other. Idleness is fatal only to the mediocre. And both these guys exemplify mediocrity at its finest. They restrict a stacked offensive unit and it will cost us dearly when it counts. They both need to leave.

Seriously? Anyone calling Shanahan mediocrity is not worth debating with.

I actually think the offense moved the ball well last night , just couldn't finish when in the redzone. And Aiyuk needs to catch that pass

lol at all this complaining and trying to find a sacrificial lamb after a win