Who holds this offense back more?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
ATM, Kyle is just outside the 5 as a HC to me. Knocking on the door AND he has the ability to become elite (we know his weaknesses). Jimmy is a top 3 efficient QB but top 12 ability and he's far closer to being flatlined (he has similar known weaknesses) in his ceiling.

Jimmy isn't just outside top 5 of qbs. He's outside top 12.

Production or ability?

Production is due to Kyle as we are seeing firsthand.

Originally posted by Redandgoldsf:
Everyone that said kyle was holding back the offense feelin kinda stupid now

Originally posted by YACBros85:
NC's top 5 HC's.

Andy Reid
Sean McVay
Robert Saleh
Mike McDaniels
Matt Lafleur

Originally posted by NCommand:
Near identical numbers. That's why I differentiate HC from OC here.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Redandgoldsf:
Everyone that said kyle was holding back the offense feelin kinda stupid now

One guy isn't lol

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Absolute insanity that 50% of posters here at one point voted Kyle.

Outcoached and outschemed Pete Carroll in his own stadium and made him look like a washed up old man.

Even Jim Harbaugh couldn't do this

I never understood the poll. Both have their known strengths and weaknesses. Both are conservative.

Kyle is the Jimmy of HC's...moments where he's coaching at the top of his peers but struggles to close things out esp. when the pressure is on.

As an OC, Kyle is in the upper tier of his peers. Jimmy is not.

You think Kyle is an elite HC already?

I'm laughing at this notion jimmy is the KS of QBs. Good s**t
Also getting a kick out of you continually blaming everyone but jimmy fir that SB loss. OL, Ward, Saleh, , Kyle etc

In their weaknesses for sure. Conservative and clam up when the pressure is high. Prone to make boneheaded mistakes. Super slow starts to the season. Has to have their backs against the wall before gearing up.

As to the second point, the answer is yes...all of the above.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Near identical numbers. That's why I differentiate HC from OC here.

Who hired the DC?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Absolute insanity that 50% of posters here at one point voted Kyle.

Outcoached and outschemed Pete Carroll in his own stadium and made him look like a washed up old man.

Even Jim Harbaugh couldn't do this

I never understood the poll. Both have their known strengths and weaknesses. Both are conservative.

Kyle is the Jimmy of HC's...moments where he's coaching at the top of his peers but struggles to close things out esp. when the pressure is on.

As an OC, Kyle is in the upper tier of his peers. Jimmy is not.

You think Kyle is an elite HC already?

I'm laughing at this notion jimmy is the KS of QBs. Good s**t
Also getting a kick out of you continually blaming everyone but jimmy fir that SB loss. OL, Ward, Saleh, , Kyle etc

In their weaknesses for sure. Conservative and clam up when the pressure is high. Prone to make boneheaded mistakes. Super slow starts to the season. Has to have their backs against the wall before gearing up.

As to the second point, the answer is yes...all of the above.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Absolute insanity that 50% of posters here at one point voted Kyle.

Outcoached and outschemed Pete Carroll in his own stadium and made him look like a washed up old man.

Even Jim Harbaugh couldn't do this

I never understood the poll. Both have their known strengths and weaknesses. Both are conservative.

Kyle is the Jimmy of HC's...moments where he's coaching at the top of his peers but struggles to close things out esp. when the pressure is on.

As an OC, Kyle is in the upper tier of his peers. Jimmy is not.

You think Kyle is an elite HC already?

I'm laughing at this notion jimmy is the KS of QBs. Good s**t
Also getting a kick out of you continually blaming everyone but jimmy fir that SB loss. OL, Ward, Saleh, , Kyle etc

In their weaknesses for sure. Conservative and clam up when the pressure is high. Prone to make boneheaded mistakes. Super slow starts to the season. Has to have their backs against the wall before gearing up.

As to the second point, the answer is yes...all of the above.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Near identical numbers. That's why I differentiate HC from OC here.

Who hired the DC?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
NC's top 5 HC's.

Andy Reid
Sean McVay
Robert Saleh
Mike McDaniels
Matt Lafleur

LOL. Awesome.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Near identical numbers. That's why I differentiate HC from OC here.

Who hired the DC?

Oh, Kyle's legit as a HC on identifying position coaches and developing them. In fact, I'd say he's elite there.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
My top 5 active HC's would be:

Bill Belichick
Andy Reid
John Harbaugh
Kyle Shanahan
Sean Mcvay.